Frattlaw BANN'D!!

coppercoins

I just talked to Frattlaw on the phone and he informed me that he has been banned from the forum. I bring this to you because there could be some of you who have been trying to get ahold of him and can't. He told me to post his email address for people to stay in contact with him until he resolves the issue and returns. Reach him at frattlaw@prodigy.net

Peace...

kieferscoins

Thanks for letting us know. What was he banned for?

Cameron Kiefer

Russ

That explains why he hasn't responded to my PMs.

Russ, NCNE

RKKay

What was the straw?

coppercoins

<< <i>What was the straw? >>



Not completely sure, because I haven't read much in here lately. All I know is that he doesn't know exactly what it was either but discussed some possibilities with me that I am not necessarily at liberty to discuss. NONE of it sounded like anything that should get someone banned, pretty much the regular stuff that happens around here with people discussing how long it takes for them to get their submissions back.

jbsteven

i am so suprised!

coinguy1

That "Bann'd" guy could use some "aid" right about now

I had planned to speak to Michael on Saturday about something else - the list has just grown.

TWQG

Mission accomplished

ElectricEye

Top five reasons why Frattlaw might have been banned:

5. He insulted those with mullets on the boards.
4. It was discovered that he has connections to OBL.
3. Lecherous Cameron Kiefer tricked him into posting a nudey photo.
2. Anaconda had something to do with this conspiracy.
1. It was discovered that he might be an honest lawyer.

FatMan

It's about time they started banning all the friggin' lawyers around here.

jbsteven

<< <i>5. He insulted those with mullets on the boards. >>



reason enough to be banned.

wingedliberty

I saw nothing in his file that was connected to bolshevism or UnAmerican or UnPCGS activities.

XpipedreamR

Thanks for the info...

cosmicdebris

You got ot be kidding???????? Fratlaw Banned?????????

Cherwood

<< <i>Mission accomplished >>



Looks like some people know a bit more about this than others.

robertpr

There are far worse characters around here than Frattlaw! WTF?!

robertpr

Cherwood I think by that statement there may have been a nasty PM exchanged and it got forwarded to the mods??
Just a theory.

ccr

That`s too bad. I don`t know why he would get the boot. He was one of my favorite guys around here and a pretty nice guy to boot.

Russ

<< <i><< Mission accomplished >>

Looks like some people know a bit more about this than others. >>



Looks like some people will fall for anything they read on a message board.

Russ, NCNE

Cherwood

<< <i>Cherwood I think by that statement there may have been a nasty PM exchanged and it got forwarded to the mods??
Just a theory. >>



Why would someone get banned over a private message?

UncleWiggly

I don't know what is going on again.


Jerry

Fairlaneman

This is what he gets after all of the work and time he has put in for the YN's. Very disappointed in the decision that someone at CU made...

Ken

Cherwood

<< <i>

<< <i><< Mission accomplished >>

Looks like some people know a bit more about this than others. >>



Looks like some people will fall for anything they read on a message board.

Russ, NCNE >>



Russ, you left out the

robertpr

<< <i>

Looks like some people will fall for anything they read on a message board.

Russ, NCNE >>



Yeah. I read right here on the 'net that there are people out there that actually like birds! Who could like an animal that thinks it's funny to crap on people's cars?

Cherwood

I have my birds trained to crap on Russ's car.

BAJJERFAN

<< <i>I saw nothing in his file that was connected to bolshevism or UnAmerican or UnPCGS activities. >>



Maybe it was for Bol$hitvism!!

IdahoGal

Tonekiller

Very Sad.

ldhair

I would think CU would state a reason to the member they are banning.

There is something we don't know here.

BAJJERFAN

If they gave a reason he may not wish to divulge it. Frankly I don't recall seeing any posting from Frattlaw in several weeks.

leothelyon

Hey! Frattlaw is posting over at NGC! The nerve of that guy! lol

Leo

JRocco

WE need Frattlaw back on these boards- !!!

majorbigtime

I have no beef w/Frattlaw, but have had occcasion to have a few banned and others warned because some can't resist stepping over the line. There are a lot of vicious folks on this board.

Why can't we just all get along (paraphrase of Rodney King of L.A. riots fame)?

ElectricEye

Special delivery for majorbigtime:

majorbigtime

<< <i>Special delivery for majorbigtime:

>>



Thanks.

I was slammed for using the stock icons (they belong to someone), and I am too inept to post my own. Hence the "Red X".

ldhair

<< <i>There are a lot of vicious folks on this board. >>


I agree. They just keep attacking the stupid idiots.
I wish they would quit.

Myqqy

There are a lot of vicious folks on this board. >>

I agree. They just keep attacking the stupid idiots.



I think Frattlaw being banned is seriously lame......

goose3

what a shame.

very nice guy that spoke his mind but did so politely and fairly.

I enjoyed most all of his threads, especially the one where he was toning stuff!!

coppercoins

<< <i>I have no beef w/Frattlaw, but have had occcasion to have a few banned and others warned because some can't resist stepping over the line. There are a lot of vicious folks on this board.

Why can't we just all get along (paraphrase of Rodney King of L.A. riots fame)? >>



Define "the line" please...CU certainly won't.

JrGMan2004

Tonelover

He was a no good rabble rouser and always will be.

Bochiman

So, I had noticed Fratt's lack of posting but thought it was due to a heavy load (at work, not in his pants).
I have also noticed a lack of Leo....Mr Platinum.

Think there is a coincidence? Or, Laura, is this one of those things that people shouldn't speculate if they are just collectors?

For those that want CU to give a line and definitions, I think guidelines are fine but there should be no clear cut line. Too many people always like to push things to the edge. Why not just be civil and mature then there won't be problems, right? We all get heated but some take it too the extreme.
Those that get attacked often attack back. It can often escalate quick nastily.
Others come on this board and have a total lack of brains and it shows.....they want to jump on others or talk about suing. If you post, be prepared for negative as well as positive about your post.

Anyway, I didn't have much interaction with Frattlaw and didn't want any Peace dollars so he wasn't competition (and, he even has a different birth year, so I have nothing against him and no competition with him at all) and am sad that he is banned. But, I wonder why? Did he push things too far? Was it jesting or was it not thinking?

I think many more people should be banned than are. I don't always think it is a popularity thing (though, I am certain that it is sometimes) but that seems to be the whine every time it happens.

1) PCGS Forums are run by CU, not YOU
2) It is free but is not FREE (in other words, there are borders and rules....try to adhere to them)
3) No one on the forum is "above the law". Doesn't matter how much you help others, how much you submit, or how many "you sucks" you get. Realize it
4) If you have pushed the buttons repeatedly, have badmouthed the owners of the board, been a royal pain in the butt, then own up to it.
5) If you get banned because of repeatedly pushing the buttons, then don't whine about it
6) Every story has 2 sides. But we often hear 1 side. Sometimes, if the other side were told, the person banned would look even worse. CU seems to take the quiet/high road a lot in not talking about it.

So, with all that said, I, too, await hearing why Frattlaw was banned (and if Leo went with him....I think Leo crossed the lines more than a few times)

JadeRareCoin

Frattlaw posted many educational threads and he was always here to help. I don't know why he got banned, but I am guessing that it's because he crossed the line with PCGS too many times. "crossing the line" means pushing PCGS to improve their turn around times and honor late grading fees. Just a guess. I hope that PCGS and Frattlaw can talk and he can come back to help out around here. We need the intelect around here.

Sequitur

1) PCGS Forums are run by CU, not YOU

This street runs both ways. The CU forums would be worthless absent members.

Bochiman

Too much guessing....only Frattlaw and PCGS know how he crossed the lines and when (and, he may not be certain, but he is one of the smart ones and should have had some idea).

The forum would be worthless without customers, you are right. But, you know something, there are always more people coming in to the forum and there are a number of people still coming here that don't cross the line, aren't here for the arguments, and want to discuss coins.
It isn't like CU is clamping down on everything, but, it is obvious there are limits to their patience.

Name 1 person who has been banned for politely asking about a coin, posting nicely about a coin, being civil, not arguing nor getting drawn into arguments, etc. I can't name one, but, I have only been here for a year and a half and haven't paid attention to the bannings. Maybe you can name one?

I think more than a few have gotten close to getting banned and have been warned. My only issue is if they were warned, did the others, with no warnings, really do worse? Or, should they all have been banned?

Take a look over on the ngc board.....they have now said there is NO political posting due to excessive need of moderation. That hasn't happened here. There is plenty of moronic politic bashing on the OF. Imagine the backlash if they demanded no more political posting, anywhere, on the board. Imagine more moderation. To some, that is blasemy (sic) for others, that would be a godsend (to keep order and on topic posting).

Sigh.....I just wish people would acknowledge 2 sides to every story rather than seeing a "friend" get booted and thinking how bad CU staff are (and, I personally think PCGS should improve their turnaround times, honor their guarantees without needing to be pushed on it, etc, but that is neither here nor there).

morgannut2

I'm sure that CU/PCGS will issue a clear statement as to the specific rules Frattlaw violated. Is he a member of the CA. bar?

Sequitur

Yes, but I fail to see how that's relevant.

morgannut2

Probably not relevant. I'm just a free speach person in public places, privately owned.

Hadleydog

Frattlaw's threads were always worth opening.
I'm hoping we see him back shortly.

darktone

I am sad Frattlaw is banned also- maybe it's just one of those 3-day suspension things? mike

LucyBop

ah the smell of coffee.....