Opinions on this Barber Dime Please. Would PCGS holder it?

moosesr

Do you think the toning is natural? Do you think PCGS would holder it?



Thanks,
Charlie

Dog97

Clearly dipped & retoned.

moosesr

Does anyone have a picture of what a typical naturally toned XF/AU Barber dime should look like?

Dog97

I realize I didn't answer your ?? but I think it would holder. Your's has the typical golden brown dip retone and was probably dipped in an attempt to remove the black spot on the rev.

Just ignore the wear details but an original VF/XF would look something like this, maybe only a little less dirty. Could possible be darker, almost black in the protected areas around the design elements.




A high XF/AU could look like this; maybe with more white showing thru in the fields and the high areas of the design elements from circulation wear. I would prefer one a little less dark. This is actually a PCGS 64 but it makes a good color reference:


A high AU could look like this. This is a PCGS 58 that is kinda splotchy but note the plum color:

DennisH

That 1897 is a VF/XF?!

I don't collect Barbers, but I'd have guessed more like VG.

Dog97

<<<I don't collect Barbers, but I'd have guessed more like VG.>>>
Take note of where I said "Just ignore the wear details but an original VF/XF would look something like this"

SethChandler

From the scan, it looks OK to me. AU58.

Slab it.

BillJones

From the scan, I say that they would holder it, and give it an AU-50 or 55. If the spot on the reverse bothers them, 50. If not 55.

my3cents

Typically, original toning will only involve the first few microns of the coin surface and will produce a "colorful" toning. Once the coin gets too dark, someone will dip it, basically removing the top few microns of the coins surface that have reacted with sulfur or sulfur containing compounds.

This usually results in a GEM bright surface - the first time. It also exposes new areas on the coin to again react with sulfurous gases in the atmosphere. Unfortunately, what the new toning will lack is the completely EVEN mint surface. Since the surface isn't completely smooth as it was when the original toning occurred (remember - we removed the outermost microns of the coins surface), the new toning that occurs will be over a microscopically uneven surface that will not reflect the light nearly as well as the original smooth mint surface. Hence - you get the darker toning - grey to dark grey to black - not because it's dirty toning or made of a different substance, but because the light is reflected unevenly and in many different directions through it due to the now irregular surface.

just my 3 cents worth

Baley

Does anyone have a picture of what a typical naturally toned XF/AU Barber dime should look like?

I dunno if they SHOULD have any one single look, but here's a coin tha(imo) fits your description:

ARCO

While the coin may have been dipped, it definitely looks much more original than many more coins that have made into the major TPG services. AU coins in particular can go both ways, because they can be dipped and look pretty normal just like an MS coin, or they can be darker.

Key dates tend to get a little more favor from the services. I have seen key date coins in every series that looked so washed out and bad that I had to put a special salve into my eye to help heal my burnt and offended retinas.

Who knows for sure, but if the coin has glaring hairlines I think it would be Body bagged. If hairlines are faint or nonexistent, then I bet it would holder at PCGS.

Tyler

jdimmick

I agree with Tyler, it may not be totally original, but IMO , based on the photo and being an 03-s. I thing it will holder easily.

MFH

Moosesr,

The 03-S should holder at an AU 55 level. Its a nice coin.

Dog97,

Now I know where you got your post name...that sure is a dog of an 1897. AG 3 at best. I really like the 1892 PCGS 58, its a super looking coin. The 1912 at a PCGS 64 seems like a fair designation.

Baley,

Your 08-D, what grade did it receive ? Its hard to tell from the picture, its either AU 58 or MS 63...looks more like the latter.

Arco,

I also agree with you, it seems that the keys are looked at with a kinder eye at the TPG services. The 03-S is without a doubt one tough coin. I like the overall look of Moosesr's, even if it were dipped a very long time ago.

Jim,

Didn't know you were also into dimes ( aside from halves ).

Baley

Your 08-D, what grade did it receive ? Its hard to tell from the picture, its either AU 58 or MS 63...looks more like the latter.

It has never been submitted for paid third-party opinion. I bought it as an AU about 30 years ago.

MFH

Baley,

Regardless if its raw or holdered...you have a good eye. Its a super AU coin.
Bought it 30 years ago you say ? Dare I ask for how much ? ( We all need to rekindle the past ) .

jdimmick

Mike,

Yeah, I like dimes too. I buy a few here and thier when I see them. I have owned a few of those dates 95-o, 01-s , 03-s etc in several different grades. I was in the market for a nice Au 95-o, but cant seem to find one thats undipped original that is still mostly white in color. Some one showed me a super nice green lable PCGS-63 95-o at the ANA, but it was not for sale at the time. However, it will be in about a year or so, and I have first dibs on it???

jim

ARCO

Jim - there is this 95-O dime PCGS AU55

The scan isn't too hot and I am not sure what the going price is, but it looks decent.

Tyler

jdimmick

Thanks Tyler,

Ill look into it, Steve Estes had one listed recently, but it didnt do much for me. There was one at the ANA show that I almost bought, but after seeing the 63, it didnt look as nice as the first day i saw it.

MFH

Jim,

Not only would you love my 04-S half ( your coins twin ) but also my 95-O dime is a PCGS AU58...and you'd cry if you saw it...and no, its not for sale.( It came out of a Superior auction in October, 2000 ).

dorkkarl

my guess is it would slab.

of course, i don't know why you'd want to .....

K S