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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I guess by a few of you on here, ( and you know who you are), any dealer that makes a profit from a sale just screwed someone...it just depends on how bad the screw job was. >>



    I don't think it's as simple as that.

    An average Joe posts a coin on eBay at 10 times actual value. The masses laugh.
    A known dealer posts a coin on eBay at 10 times actual value. The masses get angry.

    Why is that? I think it has much to do with the perceived knowledge of the seller in question compared to the perceived knowledge of the average collector.

    If average Sam buys average Joe's coin, it's just an idiot getting taken. Shame on him for not learning before buying.
    If average Sam buys known dealer's coin, he was cheated, and shame on the dealer.

    I'm not saying it's right, but I do react that way as well. There's just a gut reaction that can't be easily defined.
    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    A fine analysis TommyType!


  • << <i>m sure some people wouldn't complain if they got screwed in addition to buying a coin >>



    But some deals can feel more like "prison love" image


    Anyone can hunt for suckers, that's not the same as trying to screw someone. If you are above board on everything and not fraudulent then an obscene profit is still not a screw job.

    I agree that 10K for that coin is too much for me but I know plenty of people that think that 40-50K for an dollar coin is "screwing someone" yet we wouldn't complain to get a gem 93-S for that.
  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's an alternate reality:

    I buy the 1913 Liberty nickel for $4.1 million, and announce it with great pride here on the forum. I wonder what reaction I'd get?

    "You idiot! It sold just a few years ago for 3/4 of that! Oh, you're gonna eat that one big time!"
    "I bet it doesn't even grade 66. I heard it was cleaned years ago!"
    "Sheesh. With that much dough you could have bought a High Relief, Gobright, a 16-D, 3-legged, and 1955 dd, and had money left over for a party! Bad move!"

    On the other hand, a REAL mover and shaker buys it, and it's a good investment.

    I, obviously, don't know which story is true, but it's the parties involved that tend to color the analysis more than the known facts.
    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317
    I put the coin up on eBay for $10,000 with absolutely no intent of it selling for that price. It did, however, attract alot of attention which is exactly what it was supposed to do. If I had it up there for $100,000 would that have made it more clear that we listed it as just a marketing tool? Where do you draw the line? I even stated in the description that we didn't want to sell the coin therefore I listed it at an arbitrary high price. Also, how many of you have actually called us to get a best price for a coin? If you like a coin that we have but not the price it's listed at, please don't hesitate to call and see what can be worked out. I think you'll find the experience to be a pleasant one and I certainly enjoy having a conversation about coins with anybody that calls.

    The majority of members here are very nice and enjoyable folks. If you stopped by our table at Long Beach you will know that we try to make everybody happy. We enjoy talking with collectors and showing them nice coins even if they don't have any intent to buy. We had a great time there meeting some very cool members of this forum and just spending several days surrounded by awesome coins. One of the most enjoyable moments at the show was when we were approached by a father with his children and I took out most of the coins in our highlight case (1795 $1 NGC MS62, 1796 25c NGC MS62, 1882 $1 Trade NGC PF66UCAM, and the infamous toned Olympic are just some that ring a bell) and let them pass each one around. After they looked at the coins they thanked me and left. Those moments and other similar ones really made my day.
    Brandon Kelley - ANA - 972.746.9193 - http://www.bestofyesterdaycollectibles.com
  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of the most enjoyable moments at the show was when we were approached by a father with his children and I took out most of the coins in our highlight case (1795 $1 NGC MS62, 1796 25c NGC MS62, 1882 $1 Trade NGC PF66UCAM, and the infamous toned Olympic are just some that ring a bell) and let them pass each one around. After they looked at the coins they thanked me and left. Those moments and other similar ones really made my day.


    Kudos to you. It might have gone over the kids heads but dad will talk about you for a long time.

    You sound like a good sport.image
    Have a nice day
  • DD Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭
    When will you be in Florida, I'd love to play with some expensive coins image. I'll bring a pocket vice so I can get a closer look on the coin, not the plastic.

    -Daniel
    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

    -Aristotle

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    -Horace
  • Have you ever heard of Anaconda screwing someone in a coin deal?

    NO, but...

    I think you are trying to with this auction.

    Don't get me wrong but I would love to be able to say I own an Anaconda coin, but this price is more than double what its worth.
    Maybe the listing price is an error. I would love to buy this coin but not anywhere near this price.image
  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317
    Glenn,

    Thank you for pointing out this coin. It was not priced in error but did you read my last post about dropping a line before clicking buy it now? Anyway, It's priced that way because it's ultra nice as a simple MS62 with lots of luster and an incredible teal/blue iridescent patina. It's definitely one of those coins that the sheets and auction records for hum drum examples only serve as a partial guide in determining the price. One would obviously have to see it in-hand to appreciate it.
    Brandon Kelley - ANA - 972.746.9193 - http://www.bestofyesterdaycollectibles.com


  • << <i>Glenn,

    Thank you for pointing out this coin. It was not priced in error but did you read my last post about dropping a line before clicking buy it now? Anyway, It's priced that way because it's ultra nice as a simple MS62 with lots of luster and an incredible teal/blue iridescent patina. It's definitely one of those coins that the sheets and auction records for hum drum examples only serve as a partial guide in determining the price. One would obviously have to see it in-hand to appreciate it. >>



    By god no I didn't poorguy. I just saw the thread and responded without reading all the post. image

    You know how it is...Anaconda Rare Coins trying to screw someone is laughable.

    You guys always have the best coins available and I would love to own one, but being a truck driver I can only dream.

    I found an 1818 Large cent ANACS graded 63 and asked the people here about it crossing over to PCGS (BIG mistake!)
    The price skyrocketed!
  • I'm VERY sorry. After reading my post I see I was harsh.
    The "I think you are trying to with this auction" was wrong and I am very sorry for choosing those words.
    I did not mean that, and should have asked you about it, NOT write something stupid like that.
    Please forgive me.image
  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317
    Don't worry about it Glenn. You are a very respectable member and I appreciate your responses to this thread.
    Brandon Kelley - ANA - 972.746.9193 - http://www.bestofyesterdaycollectibles.com
  • maddogalemaddogale Posts: 859 ✭✭
    image way to go Glen!!! you da man!!
    "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on; I don't do these things to other people, I require the same from them."


  • << <i>I put the coin up on eBay for $10,000 with absolutely no intent of it selling for that price. It did, however, attract alot of attention which is exactly what it was supposed to do. If I had it up there for $100,000 would that have made it more clear that we listed it as just a marketing tool? Where do you draw the line? >>



    If someone was stupid enough to buy it, would he/she have been screwed? I rest my case.

    Actually, I believe Adrian and Brendon are good folks--sometimes it seems as if Snakes gets aroused when he sees a toner.

    As far as that modern toned crap is concerned, suffice to say it's not my bag. If it's not AT, it surely was poorly stored and probably should be considered environmentally damaged. To pay big buck$ (or anything, for that matter) for such junk seems to be on the luniatic fringe to me, but that's just one man's opinion. To each his/her own--live & let live.

    I beleive Adrian's a glutton for punishment for starting this thread--he brought out many of the flamers too! Could this all be a bit of a spoof started by a wiley snake??
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have you ever heard of Anaconda screwing someone in a coin deal?

    No, but I would sure like to hear about it. image
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ...sometimes it seems as if Snakes gets a boner when he sees a toner

    You have posted this before, elsewhere, and I ignored it. Not this time. Why you cannot have a single post without some locker room talk is unfathomable to me. image


  • << <i>...sometimes it seems as if Snakes gets [bleep] when he sees a toner

    You have posted this before, elsewhere, and I ignored it. Not this time. Why you cannot have a single post without some locker room talk is unfathomable to me. image >>



    There--I edited it just for you as I wouldn't want you to get excited.
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is too expensive

    And so it this

    It was not priced in error but did you read my last post about dropping a line before clicking buy it now?

    Would that be soliciting an off ebay sale? image
  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317
    Would that be soliciting an off ebay sale?

    No. image

    In regards to the items you mentioned, I don't ever recall a phonecall from you either. image

    Brandon Kelley - ANA - 972.746.9193 - http://www.bestofyesterdaycollectibles.com
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The provenance may be worth something to somebody.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The provenance may be worth something to somebody.

    Even the better date Bass gold coins hardly sell for a premium. Most of them no longer even have the Bass pedigree on the slab. Despite this, in my calculation of 50% overpriced, I allowed for a 20% premium for the Bass pedigree on this widget.
  • No, but I believe they recently were screwed on a so-called booooner toner Peace Dollar.

    Who got stuck holding the bag (not the sack) on it?
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    Yes, I got "screwed" by them! Brandon sold me so many unbelievable commems with "one-of-a-kind" beautiful toning, that I'm having an extremely difficult time finding other commems to add to my collection that even come close to being as nice. Shame on them!imageimage
    Oh... and their service isn't too shabby either.imageimage
    image...There's always time for coin collecting. image
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nope - never.

    Never $crew with attorneys. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • RBinTexRBinTex Posts: 4,328
    No.
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Still waiting.......
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    That AU chain cent sounds like a heck of a deal now!

    You screwed us all by leaving the business!

    Welcome back image
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  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Thanks....reminds me of a story.

    Maybe 12 years ago, I was visiting Greg Rohan and Jim Halperin and they offered me a 1795 (I think) (small eagle reverse for sure) Silver Dollar, PCGS MS 63, totally white and incredibly lustrous. They offered it to me for 50K and I bought it on the spot.

    Brought it home, my wife was not happy that I didn't check with her about buying the coin. Was bemoaning the story to Dave Albanese. He said he wanted the coin, I offered it to him for $55,000, wanting to please the wife by selling it promptly.

    Told the wife who said "Why did you sell it so cheap?" (Some people, you just can't please.)

    Anyway, I think that coin is probably worth around 150K or better now.

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  • TONEDDOLLARSTONEDDOLLARS Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭✭
    I have bought several coins from Adrian over the years, all toned of course and sold everyone for a profit when I found a better one. So no I have never been screwed.
  • AmigoAmigo Posts: 966
    ASSUMING THAT YOU EVENTUALLY GET AT LEAST ONE PERSON TO POST SOMETHING TO THIS THREAD THAT STATES THAT I HAVE SCREWED THEM.....

    I haven't read the whole thread, but what would the twins nubiles in Costa Rica have to say about that ? image
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I bought one coin from Adrian / Brandon. It is a beautifully rim-toned 1905 O Barber Half in PC 5 about four years ago. I was looking for four solid years for an acceptable Barber Half in MS 65 before buying it. I know what he paid for the coin and thought the markup was reasonable.
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  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    how about a screwing of yourself ?

    I had offered you 4500$ on a Franklin you wanted 6500$ for .... you passed - I was told you wouldn't sell for less then cost

    then a year later , a friend of mine buys the coin from you @ 3500$..........


    .....( my dollar amounts may not be exact , but there close enough to make my point )
  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have one coin from Anaconda that I've had for at least 4 years. I never had a problem with either him or Brandon. I wish he could
    have helped me out though, when Frank VanZandt was being persecuted/prosecuted by the Dept. of the Interior. They managed to put him 6 feet under.image

    "Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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  • Lehigh96Lehigh96 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Still waiting....... >>



    Adrian,

    I was an Anaconda customer for a few years and while I wouldn't characterize it as being screwed, I did have a few major problems over that time. The problems were resolved so I hesitate to post what happened in this open forum. Would you prefer that I PM you or just post what happened?

    Paul
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I heard that he screwed a cap, on a cheap bottle of wine once.image
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage

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