This Guy MUST be the undisputed King when it comes to prices on raw coins! Check this out!

Boom

Check out these auctions

Either this guy is the undiputed King seller of raw coins or he has a LOT of helpers. Look at these prices on RAW coins!

GAT

Hype and more hype plus who knows what shills.

Boom

I have NEVER seen raw coins command such premiums!

And just how is it that PCGS prices apply to raw coins?

DorkGirl

These are the kind of auctions that send off warning bells in my head. Look at his feedback and check out what he has been selling and his auction style. Basic no frills auctions, cheap coins. Now if you look at the new auctions, what a difference!! I wouldn't touch anything he's selling right now.

I watched a guy about a month ago do the same thing. Rack up some positive feedback selling cheap coins, then three nights in a row, killer coins. He had a proof Morgan, 3 1889-CC's, all sorts of gold, the list was about 200 really high dollar coins. The day after the last auction, he was no longer a registered user!! I keep wondering if everyone who bid on his auctions got ripped off. My guess is yes

FatMan

Hey, leave my auctions alone. Who are you to criticize me, I got a Masters of Marketing from Screw-U.

DorkGirl

Geez, there for a second I thought you were serious!!

mirabela

Yikes. If that capped bust half of his doesn't say run, I don't know what does.

pontiacinf

Hey, leave my auctions alone. Who are you to criticize me, I got a Masters of Marketing from Screw-U

fats cracks me up

Barry

Interesting... Joined Ebay in March. Didn't sell anything until Sept. Sells a bunch of <$1.00 coins. Now lists lots of raw "gems."

The only thing that doesn't shout scam is he takes Paypal. However, I predict...
He will have his first neg in about 10 days and then they'll be rolling in when the second round of auctions closes.

BAJJERFAN

Has anyone ever tried reporting these irrelevant references to PCGS grading pricing to eBay? Not that it will do any good BUT you never know.

100proof1957

Bajjerfan,

Report it to EBAY ?

Surely you jest ?

Barry

PCGS could nip this in the bud easily:
1. Put a copyright notice on the price list with a note saying these prices may only be quoted for PCGS coins.
2. Become a "partner" with Ebay and inform them that any other use of the list violates copyright.
3. Then, any such quote reported to Ebay should end the auction.

Why don't they? Has anyone asked HRH about it, or don't they care how the list is used?

BAJJERFAN

To jest or not to jest? That is the question. Yeah I know reporting stuff like that to eBay is probly a waste of time BUT you never know; they mite smoeday wise up .

coinguy89

I wouldn't spend that much on a Washington, especially one that is raw. People got guts!

Boom

Nice pix and eye catching presentations have these people bidding crazy money. I've never seen such prices realized for raw coins. My instincts tell me something's fishy here...perhaps multiple shillers?

My issue with everyone quoting the PCGS price list is simple. The PCGS pricing guide applies exclusively to PCGS certified coins, not NGC, NTC, PCI raw coins etc.

Just a suggestion but if PCGS was my company I'd be all over this. Let all these people quote "Current Trends", NOT PCGS' certified coin pricing guide.

All this has no relevance/ no connection to PCGS. A raw coin cannot be compared to a PCGS graded/ certified coin. It's utterly ridiculous. If the coins are truly that great then why are they not in PCGS holders? There MUST be someway to stop this misuse of the pricing guide.

Perhaps a disclaimer of sorts, kinda like the one the NFL uses would be in order. " This has been an NFL production. Any use or rebroadcast of this without the expressed written permission of the NFL is strictly prohibited and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent allowable by law." It's like copyright infringement.

What do you think?

smiles72

It seems that it would be easy enough for Ebay to detect someone with sudden unusual listing habits.

This type of person is relatively rare. Coins are one of the few things that this kind of thing can happen with.

We live in an age where computers could detect this kimd of listing and create a series of follow ups that can be performed by Ebay.

Maybe I am being naive.
Just seems preventable.

JM

Coinhusker1

<< <i>Interesting... Joined Ebay in March. Didn't sell anything until Sept. Sells a bunch of <$1.00 coins. Now lists lots of raw "gems."

The only thing that doesn't shout scam is he takes Paypal. However, I predict...
He will have his first neg in about 10 days and then they'll be rolling in when the second round of auctions closes. >>



Run for the hills!!! This is the classic "build up feedback with cheap stuff", then do a "selling blitz with expensive stuff and run" deal. Looks to me like the guy got impatient -- only a 19 rating --- other scammer usually build about 100 or 200. You see this with video games all the time (saw it with one other coin seller as well).

I predict NARU in 4-6 weeks, after the buyers of the expensive stuff realize they have been had.

UncleWiggly

He sure isn't lacking for people to bid.

Jerry

Boom

Something is definitely going on here. This guy is realizing major money for raw coins.

oreville

So what DID everyone think of that 1932 quarter?

Looked MS-63 to me. A nice choice BU quarter but certainly not gem. But basing it on pics only.

nankraut

Call me overly cautious, but IMHO, it looks like this person is building up his feedbacks (with help from friends/relatives) for a BIG scam to come.

BAJJERFAN

So why can't the dorks from eBay spot these trends when it is pointed out to them and nip fraud in the bud? I think someone should sue eBay for failure to take preventative measures when a situation like this is presented to them.

Boom

This is why reporting such activity is totally useless WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!

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Boom

I hope this link works, anybody notice anything odd about this bidding?

IT DOES! TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS BIDDING!

my3cents

okay - I give up- what's odd?

Boom

All his auctions just seem "unusual"...the prices realized on raw coins. I've NEVER seen a 1932 go for $250 raw! On this auction however, maybe it's just the way it unfolds to me that seems odd. You have a bidder that has 0 feedback who runs up the bids then just quits, then there is another with all of 3 that takes over and runs it up and also stops, but it's the last underbidder that strikes me as being most odd. He runs up the backside of the eventual winner(Note the time) and then just promptly stops after pushing the bid up that high. It's not like the winner sniped this at the end. This second place bidder just pushes and pushes the eventual winner higher and higher to what was his high bid, obviously made earlier.

I have something to take care of, be back shortly. Check it out. Something is definitely up with this guy. He sure gets a lot of "help."

Coinhusker1

It looks like "collect it all forever" had a very high max bid (note the time was well before auction close) and the underbidder kept putting in bids trying to top "collect it all's max bid but never did. This is not unusual -- in an attempt to snipe I have put in 4 or 5 bids at the last minute only to be "outbid" by a very high max bid put in earlier.

So the bidding may not be necessarily suspect, but I still think this guy is going to run after he takes everyones money from these latest expensive auctions.

my3cents

Why run? He's selling clean unc coins that anyone can get their hands on.

oreville

Hmmm, boom, you may have a point. The underbidder saw that the price was not a full increment over his last bid, yet he stopped and did not snipe.

But not conclusive yet, but warrants further monitoring.

dorkkarl

no question shill bidding.

K S

jom

I understand that shill bidding is a big problem but a LOT of that can be alleviated if people would take the time to learn about the VALUE of coins, select a MAX bid and STICK with it.

jom

Goober

I've wondered why his feedback isn't higher. He's been running quantities like this for months. The average Joe would be at about 100+. Which could also mean, people are buying his stuff and unsatisfied, thus not leaving feedback...strange.

ziggy29

<< <i>I understand that shill bidding is a big problem but a LOT of that can be alleviated if people would take the time to learn about the VALUE of coins, select a MAX bid and STICK with it. >>

Somehow if I'm thinking of a max bid and an intention to snipe, even if I'd feel a little violated that I might pay more than I have to because of a shill, the bright side is that I'd still either get the coin at or below what I was willing to pay for it, or let someone else take the hit.

slickpick

I'm pretty sure this guy is the Ebay seller Chadlings , whom has been in a similar discussion on this board previously. Chadlings is NARU.