Which coins have appreciated the most since January 1?
MrEureka
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Be specific. Name the coin, the price at the beginning of the year, and today's price.
Andy Lustig
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How about those GSA's... They have taken a good jump in price....
June 11, 2004: VG-$140 F-$165 VF-$195 XF-$290
Sept. 17, 2004:VG-$240 F-$325 VF-$425 XF-$650
Increase: 71% 98% 117% 124%
Those aren't bad moves over the last 90 days.
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That's easy.....Every pop one in a PCGS holder that is properly graded
Stewart
Greg - Good pick!
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semantics
09/07/2006
<< <i>1976-S silver Kennedy halfs in pcgs ms-68 were at $250 and now seem to sell at or over $500. >>
$250? They dropped. I sold one about 3-4 years ago for $475.
I personnaly made two of them!
Disqualified. You couldn't really buy a 63 at anywhere near 100K anytime in recent memory.
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Ill say the 01-s Quarter in Fine Jan cdn list at about 6K, although you couldnt have bought one for that. Now it lists at 8k, but again, that wont touch one if you can find one, in fact I just herd that someone is asking 9k for a VG-8, and it must have sold as I cant find the listing any longer from the firm that was selling it acording to another board member.
jim
<< <i>1976-S silver Kennedy halfs in pcgs ms-68 were at $250 and now seem to sell at or over $500. >>
That's a modern. They don't count. BTW, the high for that coin this year is $760.
Russ, NCNE
Cameron Kiefer
<< <i>Why don't moderns count? Would sample slabs count?
Cameron Kiefer >>
Sample slabs count even less than moderns. Neither are real coins.
Russ, NCNE
WH
Legend, why do many people want HR Saints? They seem to be readily available, appearing in multiples at all major auctions and even Heritage internet auctions from time to time.
If there was ever a coin which was a bad value [even before the run up] it's the HR Saint. I would assume anyone dropping that kind of money for a coin would have a sound understanding of value.
Jan 04 sheet on the 2001-s Sac is 22.50/23.50
jim
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2004 Nickel
its now priced at 760.00
In January it was 5 cents
If there was ever a coin which was a bad value [even before the run up] it's the HR Saint. I would assume anyone dropping that kind of money for a coin would have a sound understanding of value.
I can answer that one. People want them because they are just BEAUTIFUL!!. They are overvalued...but there is only ONE coin with the look, and that is it. I have an MS65 that I paid 27K for about a year and a half ago...they are in the 42-45K range now. Would I pay that? No way. But I sure could sell it easily if I wanted to. I'm not selling, though...at least not for a decade.
How can you say they are overpriced now. This is based solely on previous years prices.
Many MS70 modern Commems appear to have risen sharply as well over 1/04 pricing, while others have dropped as well.
Wondercoin
<< <i>Legend, why do many people want HR Saints? They seem to be readily available, appearing in multiples at all major auctions and even Heritage internet auctions from time to time.
If there was ever a coin which was a bad value [even before the run up] it's the HR Saint. I would assume anyone dropping that kind of money for a coin would have a sound understanding of value.
I can answer that one. People want them because they are just BEAUTIFUL!!. They are overvalued...but there is only ONE coin with the look, and that is it. >>
That's what I was going to say--they are just unbelieveably gorgeous pieces. The design is good enough, but with the incredible strike, they have to be the most beautiful coins we've ever produced. That said, it was one heck of a privilege to hold one of the ultra-high-reliefs at the Smithsonian in August!
Some specific examples (out of many) are:
1891-CC MS64, I think these have about tripled in price in the past year, rediculous considering the pops IMO
1892-CC MS63, MS64, Another semi key date with a huge recent price increase, also rediculous considering the pops IMO
1882-CC, 1883-CC, 1884-CC, MS64DMPL & MS65DMPL, These have more than doubled in price in the past year or so. The 65DM's were selling in the 500.00 - 600.00 range, and now they are going as high as 1300.00 - 1600.00, it's rediculous considering they are not rare, not even scarce, and many holdered coins are flat overgraded to boot.
1879-S, 1880-S, 1881-S, 1882-S, MS66 & MS67, Dime-a-dozen common dates with huge pops. that have also nearly doubled in price within the past year or so. Even the marginal NGC pieces now routinely bring over 800.00 - 850.00 in MS67
There are many more examples, but these are some of the most blatant IMO. Personally, I think someone should have their head examined for paying 1300.00 - 1600.00 for an 1891-CC in MS64 or a common date CC in MS65DMPL when they were recently available in the 450.00 - 600.00 area....... but that's just me.
edited to add: I would add that many of the recent huge price increases for the CC Morgans has a distinct and familiar ring of price manipulation, hoarding by a small group of individuals, and individuals bidding up their own inventories or stashes, but these are MY VIEWS & OPINIONS ONLY.
Dragon, don't forget the 90cc in MS64.......bid was $955 in Jan. $2200 in Sept.
a more extreme spread for dmpl/ pl dollars.
...Such as the $20 Liberty which has decreased (25%) in value (based on CDN 1/16/04 and 9/10/04) with Gold Bullion prices referenced at $426.30 (1/16/04) and $397.40 (9/10/04):
$1470 to $815 in MS-64 (-25%)$1100 to $615 in MS-63 (-25%)
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
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I know that many people love the design of the High Relief Saint. However, I feel that the High Relief Saint design is VERY overrated. First, I feel the design is WAY too busy (I also dislike the SLQ design for the same reason - too much going on).
Consider that Liberty's "torch" on the obverse of the $20 Saint literally dissects the word LIBERTY. "Cutting" the word Liberty (with a torch no less) is not only a bad message, its also VERY bad design! Consider that the "Roman Numerals" on the coin are distinctly "European" and NOT American. I can make a strong case that the $20 Saint is really a FRENCH coin in American drag.
The HR $20 Saint also did not contain the "motto" but most importantly specifically EXCLUDED it. While I fully recognize that this was Theodore Roosevelt's personal animus, I'm also very aware that such thinking was very much a part of the French aesthetic at the time. It was NOT a part of the American mind set at the time (and probably why the "no motto" design ultimately failed with the American public who did not want this concept shoved down their throat by Roosevelt or anyone else).
I much prefer the crisp, sharp unbusy design of the STUNNING 1796 "no stars" $2.50 Gold coin. I feel this gold coin design not only captures the American vibe, but it also symbolizes the pristine "open space" that is SOOOOOO American (three thousand plus very open miles between New York and Hawaii would ultimately become our destiny). Not surprisingly, I also love Christian Gobrecht's "no stars" design (1838-O no stars half dime, 1836 Gobrecht dollar, etc) for the same reasons.
I freely admit a personal collecting bias towards Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Pieces and larger-sized Type Coins (Halves) -- as disclosed in my sig line...
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
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He was the most famous and accomplished American sculptor at the end of the 19th century. He was asked by TR to design a coin in the clasic Greek tradition and wanted a high relief like the ancient coins. Frankly if you asked me, and I collect Saints, I would say they are quite Deco, if anything. Look at how the stars are tapered off above the date, how the coin is somewhat off center with a thicker border at the 9-12:00 quadrant. You may think your way, but every coin expert that has been published considers it the most beautifol coin ever minted. Your last name wouldn't be Barber would it??
(Barber resented and despised A. St.Gaudens because he felt it was HIS mint and didn't like the fact that TR brought in a BIG name!!)
I hear you Saintguru. And I'm familar with TR's logic. But I feel his logic was flawed (though understandable how he arrived at it). Here's why. First, it is widely recognized by many (most) theologians that GOD's best works of grace and salvation were conducted among society's most outcast and sinful. Recall, for example, some of the Company that Jesus Christ kept, and was CHIDED by religionists for so doing (Matt. 9, Mark 2, Luke 5). Luke 5: 32 specifically states; "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
These texts provide ample evidence that T. Roosevelts fears about motto coinage finding it's way into "casinos and brothels" as being unjustified. The "sinner to saint" theme is a primary vehicle of GOD's work in Scripture, as well as commentary, and Church history throughout the ages. It is entirely possible that the presence of the word "GOD" on a coin in a casino, when read by a gambler in trouble, might lead that man or woman to salvation and repentance. GOD is very much active in the lives of ALL people, including sinners (all are sinners) where ever they may find themselves in this harsh unforgiving world (Luke 15).
In addition, T. Roosevelt had an obligation to listen to the will of the people in our Nation, and there is no doubt that the will of the Nation demanded the "motto" on their coinage. Finally, TR may have been "pious" as you say, but not necessarily theologically pious. He appeared to be more a worshipper of the creation (lands, parks, rivers, streams, and the outdoors) than he was of the Creator - following a pattern touched upon by Apostle Paul in the book of Romans, Chapter 1.
You said; Augustus Saint Gaudens was the most famous and accomplished American sculptor at th end of the 19th century.."
It is true that St. Gaudens was an accomplished and respected artist in his time. However, that does not necessarily mean that he was. Even IF he was, it does not necessarily mean that he was the right man to design our National Coinage. Actually, it was TR himself who personally chose and selected St. Gaudens because TR loved his style. TR had as much to do in promoting St. Gaudens as a "genius" by selecting and hyping him as the man for the job. St. Gaudens was unquestionably influenced in the "French" romantic style. This style played right into the hands of TR's artistic (and political) bias. None of this is to say that St. Gaudens was not talented - he was for his style - yet that style is clearly European, as was his design, and NOT American.
You said; ...to design a coin in the clasic Greek tradition and wanted a high relief like the ancient coins.
If TR wanted a Greek design, he did not get it from St. Gaudens. The design of the $20 Saint is distinctly French (even if the intent was Greek). Actually, the $20 Saint looks very much like the other "French" artwork known as the Statue Of Liberty. The design elements of the two are strikingly similar - and definitely French.
You said; Look at how the stars are tapered off above the date, how the coin is somewhat off center with a thicher border at the 9-12:00 quadrant.
Very nice, but nothing unique. Rather, I ask you to explain to me the artistic or symbolic merit of "Cutting" and dissecting the word LIBERTY (with a torch of flame no less) which is the first thing I notice when I look at this coin's obverse. From a design standpoint, it's just plain BAD. From a symbolic standpoint, it's horrible. The word LIBERTY is what defines America's greatness. To have that word LIBERTY "thrusted" and cut with a torch is simply not acceptable design work for me (though I certainly have no problem with those who like this design).
You said; but every coin expert that has been published considers it the most beautifol coin ever minted
That might be your first tip off to trouble. Coin experts may know much about "coins" (die states, over dates, mintage figures, population figures, etc) but this does not necessarily translate into expert design critics. Be that as it may, there are plenty of numismatists who hold that the "Gobrecht No Stars" design is the most beautiful design - and still others hold that others are the best designs. All of it is subjective. However, the "dissecting" of the word LIBERTY as found on the $20 Saint (for example) is less subjective and more obvious (as were the intentions of T. Roosevelt and his artistic and perhaps theological ambitions).
You said; Your last name wouldn't be Barber would it??
Thankfully not.
You said; (Barber resented and despised A. St.Gaudens because he felt it was HIS mint and didn't like the fact that TR brought in a BIG name!!)
Yes, I'm aware of this story. If true, I would disagree with Barber that it was "his" mint (it's the people of the United States Mint belong to them and NOT T. Roosevelt, or Charles Barber). Yet, I can imagine that his angst over the St. Gaudens selection was more petty and personal and not so grand that he actually believed it was "his" mint. Thank you again for your comments saintguru. I appreciate it.
Yet, it has always been my observation that a BAD design on a large coin is still harder to "see" than a GREAT design on a small coin. Like a cluttered room where nothing can be found or located, a cluttered design causes the eye and mind to wander in a vein attempt to "take it all in." The mind never can. Just like a cluttered room, the whole visual mess tends to create an uneasy feeling (at least for me). Thank you for your comment Stuart. I appreciate it.
I laugh at your comments about the Barber coinage..I had started a thread a few weeks ago stating that it took me over 40 years to realize that the cameo was a WOMAN!!
This is what I don't get... the 1895-s in ef is significantly tougher than the 95-O and now the 95-O goes for nearly twice as much. EVEN THE 93-O now sells for more than the 95-s... I still think the 79-CC in CHOICE original ef is tough...perhaps as tough as the 93-CC and the 79-CC is around 500 and the 93-cc is 125/1375. In EF, the 1895-S may be the most underrated date in the Morgan series. As for the most overrated date based on current values? probably the 95-O...in EF.
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I can tell that you are a wonderful person saintguru. You don't need to be a "pious person" as piety alone is often empty and vain (Matt. 7: 21-23). Rather, it's those bearing a genuine heart filled with love, honest self-reflection (Luke 18: 10-14), and true joy coupled with kindness and patience towards others (Gal. 5: 22-23) who enjoy GOD's richest blessings. I think you may have more of this "good piety" than you think saintguru.
You said; ...about the Barber coinage..I had started a thread a few weeks ago stating that it took me over 40 years to realize that the cameo was a WOMAN!!
Your kidding? You mean that dude on the Barber coin is a woman? (just kidding)
All we have to do is agree on disagreeing regarding specific issues; our passion for collecting whatever coins are our personal favorites is the common bond.
As for that Barber he/she, all I can say is I saw someone like he/she in Chicago the other day and I was puzzled again!!
Peace, bro.