Grade the circulated indian cents.

mgoodm3

Since we always seem to do MS coins, I'll throw out a couple circulated ones.

291fifth

F15 for the 1859 and F12 for the 1908-S. Neither coin appears to be choice...to many small surface marks.

pursuitofliberty

I'm one step up on both from 291, I think VF20 (average quality) on the 59, and F12 to 15 on the 80s (so-so)

my3cents

I'm with Todd - Liberty on the 59 is crystal clear

poorguy

'59 VF

'08-S EF

Nice looking indians

mgoodm3

My own feeing was f15 for the 08S and VF20 for 1859 (obv is nicer than the rev)

Bunker

1859 VF20

1908-S Fine 15

ziggy29

I'd say VF-20 for the '59 and F-15 for the '08-S.

jdimmick

I would prefer to call

1859 Vf-25
1908-s F-15

but I think the TPG's might go a full vf-20 on the 08-s the way they have been grading circ indians

BASEagle

The 1859 - VF

The 1908-S - what are you guys looking at? An indian head cent has to have a full "LIBERTY" to rate Fine. The"B" is half gone, the "E" is three-fourths gone, the "R" is half gone, the "Y" is completely gone. Looks like a Very Good to me.

Mike

Craton

The first coin looks cleaned. Notice the dark areas around the recesses of the devices and the bright clean fields?

mgoodm3

Both coins look better when looking at them lifesize in normal light. The lighting I use is ultra-harsh and really brings out any imperfections on the surface. I'm always surprised at how bad most circulated coins look when blown up to poster size.

jdimmick

Mike,

That was the way the standards used to be and IMO still should be, but there not today. PCGS as well as the others are calling coins F and Vf with Liberty visible, but not necessarily clear. I have sent several better date indians that I bought as Vg-10's in and they consistently come back F-15, Vf-20 and such.

Same thing with early circ lincolns. Coins that I used to call solid Vf-30's are catching Xf, and solid Xf-45 are catching Au-50 and 53 grades.

lordmarcovan

1859: VF20.

1908-S: F12.