<< <i>Ron, There's a pop 1 MS68FB silver Roosie on Heritage right now.
Nick, is there really????? I'm looking at around $7200 with the rake to Heritage. There is plenty of time left with this coin and I probably won't end up with it. But if I do end up with it, it'll be mine. I have a silver set too ya know. Ron
Re the comment "the submitter said he would bet his left n*t one will grade FB." I have always wondered about this sort of bet. In particular, if I accepted this bet and then won, what the devil would I do with the submitter's "left n*T"??? ( )
More seriously, it would be very cool to see that it's theoretically possible to put together a complete set of FB clad dimes. I wish all you guys that search dime rolls all the success in the world!
Paul I wasen't trying to make a bet with you on the 70FB. I was trying to save you some money by letting you know the 70FB IS going to be made, and soon. If I had a dislike for you, I might have thouight of sticking it to you with the bet. But I've not seen or heard anything but good about you. Now remember guys.. Roosie's at 69.00 lets get busy, I need help here..
The '70 dime appears as a blazing gem with nice surfaces but is pretty scarce. It usually is kept out of gem status by relatively minor problems and frequently marking on the portrait. Many of the mint set coins have unattractive toning and strikes of mint set coins is not as good as many other dates of the era. Full strikes aren't too tough but to get FB's it needs a 100% strike which obviously isn't typical.
About 1% of mint set coins are nice gems and the top 10% of original coins will be pretty nice.
Rick just added a 91D and 95D FB to his set. These were 2 of the 5 he needed to have the first complete FB Roosie clad set, and he slabbed them himself. I'll bet Rick will eventually slab a 70P in FB. What an accomplishment in the Roosevelt clad series.
Ok I confess, I e-mailed Rick the other day and he thinks he my finally have a 70-P that will go full band. He does not think it will grade hgher than a 65 but seems to think it will make it. As we all know he have made a lot of full bands himself. I hope he makes one just to complete his set in full bands.
Fred how about the 70 in your set? Why not sub. it and lets see where it comes out. I noticed the comment you had beside it. A top pop coin may be hiding in your Registry...
"Ok I confess, I e-mailed Rick the other day and he thinks he my finally have a 70-P that will go full band."
OK, OK, I confess too. I got an e-mail from Rick too. From what he says he may have a couple 70P's in FB. They are on there way to PC now. He may even have a 70P that has a shot at MS67. But then again I thought I had a couple to only have them returned to me in 65 holders.
Dan, I do have a couple of dates that I think will upgrade, I just have not got around to it yet. If you haven't noticed I'm not in a big hurry when it comes to my roosies. I am here for awhile, so time is on my side!!!! The 1970 I have is a nice specimen but it could go 50/50. If pcgs has not graded one it will be even tougher on any re-submissions.
I've been reading these posts and you all are sniffing glue! 1970 in the worst date of all Roosies and if someone makes one the GREAT! And if someone makes a gem w/FB, then I will pay to see it.
1970 comes with practically no bottom to the torch let alone any bands to speak of in MS grades and I have sent in several of my best and received a MS65 for the highest grade. The obverse come flat with no detail to the hairlines in Roosevelts head.
I've been reading these posts and you all are sniffing glue! 1970 in the worst date of all Roosies and if someone makes one the GREAT! And if someone makes a gem w/FB, then I will pay to see it.
1970 comes with practically no bottom to the torch let alone any bands to speak of in MS grades and I have sent in several of my best and received a MS65 for the highest grade. The obverse come flat with no detail to the hairlines in Roosevelts head.
Until PCGS slabs it and I see it I say good luck!
Later, Paul.
Paul you have to be optimistic about these things, if you believe it will come!!!!
Fred I have the D but the P is proving harder to come by. But I'm working on it, looking, looking, looking. I picked a bad time to make that bet, what with the FB's being so much harder to make in 67's & 68's. And thats not just my opinion, several respected people on the boards have complained about the same thing. I still have ten coins in, but with the screws tight like they seem to be now, I don't know, and time has all but run out. No excuses matter, I made the bet, I pay the price. You can expect to see the number in FB's rise for Roosies from the late 60's to the mid 70's. With most of these being weighted coins, it should help some people improve their GPA.
Fred I have been concentrating my search in the mid 60's - the 70's. The 2004-P's will show up, its the end of the year and thats when the market gets hot on the new coins being added. But like the 99-D they will come, because the Registry demand will push more of those unopened set to be broken into. Check ebay for how many of those sets are selling still sealed in the mint shipping box. I am checking my sub status everyday to see if my coins have been processed. There should be some extras out of the first 10 that will help others with their registry. I was bidding on a 04-P but it was against Nick, (the same person I will owe the set to) on a 04-P&D set. I thought, Why am I trying to outbid the person I owe the set to.
Dan, I was actually bidding on the 04P & D set for someone else. I started thinking the samething. "why am I bidding on a set against someone that probably needs it more then I do" Oh well, I was out bid anyway. The set finished at $300.
Dan, Remember the bet. You don't owe me the coins you owe them to Paul. I will be getting in several 04P 67FB's. If anyone is interested PM me.
Hey guys...Happy New Year and WOW what a start to this one huh...2005 and no more talk about that darn ole Reagan dime!
Well I guess we will have to talk about "The bet".
Dan50, just like you, Nick, and the rest of the Roosie gang, I thought that there would be well over 100+ of both the 2004-P/D MS68FB's and it would be a typical post 1999 year for the Roosies, but 2 things happened. The '04-P's turned out to be REALLY tough and the Mint stopped selling the sets. Also the set rating stuck at 68.97 for months. If you look at the pops, hardly anything is being made in FB. PCGS is getting tough, or the dimes are not there!
I'm really happy to see that I won the bet, but I DO NOT NEED for you to spend $300 for 2 dimes, just because you "owe" them too me in a friendly bet (That you made no less!"). If you want to pay up, thats fine and very gentlmenly of you, but wait until you make one, or the pop on each is 2-300.
I'm also sorry to see that the year finished w/o a 100% FB clad set. I was really hoping that Rick could get the 1970 in FB, but that didn't happen either. What happened to the 1974?
So, what would make me happy is that a few guys around here start eatin' some good ole southern fried "CROW!!!!!!" Cause Paul told ya it would be so.
I'll make a bet for someone to take me on...I will bet you a nice set of 2005-P/D's in ms68fb, that 2005 will see a nice pair of MS69FB's both the P & D by years end! If not, then I will gladly send someone both 2005-P/D MS68FB's for free!
Happy New Year Paul, and let me be the first to take a bite out of that (Southern Fried Crow). I for one thought that the bet would go the other way so congrats on that first bite. The second thing was that Rick would have made a 70-P fb, ok I need to get working on some 70 mint sets, and send in my 70. The grading has been tough and I wanted to wait until one got made before I sent mind in. Wish me luck!!!!! Fred
Paul I bow to the winner and will get you the two coins. As for the bet you are offering, this one I think will have a good chance of happening, and will leave that bet for someone else. I think PCGS had a lot to do with the outcome of the dimes for the latter part of the year. Nick and several other collectors on the boards have also noticed the change. What was a 67-68 now tends to be 66-67 and the bands have been tightened. I wonder if PCGS will buy back my FB's that no longer seem to qualify as such. But I'll wait for my latest subs to decide my next move with that. I can't comment on the 74, thats for PCGS to strighten out. Anyone have a good recipe for crow?
Paul, You were right, I said these coins would be selling for $50 by this time. I don't think its because of the lack of quality, Its because the mint stopped selling them. Either way enjoy your 04P & D 68FB when Dan gets them to you.
Even if Rick would have made a 70 in FB it would have had to grade at least 66FB to effect the GPA. I just didn't think that was going to happen.
<< <i>... I wonder if PCGS will buy back my FB's that no longer seem to qualify as such. >>
A1- Sure they will... when donkeys fly! You must be on the threshold of a dream!
As an aside, I got hammered on a submission that was finalized the week following the most recent ANA show. Several clad roosies that should have rec'd. the FB desig. did not. I have resubmitted (crack-out stylee) 3 of those and 2 subsequently got the FB desig, and the third is still out there in the OC. So, the pendulum is still in motion.
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<< <i>I'll make a bet for someone to take me on...I will bet you a nice set of 2005-P/D's in ms68fb, that 2005 will see a nice pair of MS69FB's both the P & D by years end! If not, then I will gladly send someone both 2005-P/D MS68FB's for free! >>
I made this bet and no one took me up on it. I was very suprised to see the mint come out with the Satin Finish Mint Sets. So basically both 2005-P/D's were made in MS69FB/SF, right?
Still no 1970 in FB. Still no 69.00 set rating. Still no 100% FB's in the Clad Roosies. Still not a single 2005-P/D NON-Satin Finish Roosie graded.
Paul I am thinking along the same lines as you. Also with all the confusion about bands, bands that are holdered but not really bands any longer by todays standards. Now the SF-non SF blackhole debate, Roosie price guide a bust. Fee's going up, mistakes going up even more, The mint making us buy mint sets for the chance to get 1 decent P-D dime..no rolls of dimes from the mint. Have to buy them online at inflated prices. If you live on the east coast, no D rolls from your bank, west coast no P rolls from your bank and the mint thinks this is fair. Makes me want to turn in my FB's for PCGS guarantee, sell off the rest and collect popsicle sticks, or just go quiescent.
I have no intentions on selling any of my Roosie sets. Just wanted to make that clear, even though I closed them to public viewing, and the funny thing is, not a sole e-mailed me to ask me why!
I would like to complete the set in 100% FB, but I just don't think it will be done...by anyone!
Paul, WOW this thread was brought back from the dead!!!! I was wondering why you closed your set,, but I thought because you where getting close to the top twenty you just did not want to be held hostage by inflated prices. I have not seen to much activity in the series, but I don't see any of the top sets going anywhere soon. I have been reading you post about the lack of any graded Roosevelt dimes Satin or other wise!!!! Looks like we will have to make our own if you want them, just not sure if even that will be possible. I have been buying roll of P dimes but the D dimes are hard to come by. If you have any good ideas on the subject I'm all ears. If you decide you had enough Pm me with your price list.
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Paul it's a good thing I didn't take you up on that last bet. If NGC is grading so many 05's in 69, you can bet its just a matter of time before we see some in PCGS holders. But, enough for all of us hard core Roosie fans??? On another note, I have changed my mind about PCGS adding the mint sets to the registry. I wish they had waited another year, lot of good Roosies we could have used are tied up there. Paul, from one regular guy to another, thats why we search and dig trying to find the nice coins to submit. It's the only way we are able to compete. Well that and Nick & Rick helping us out like they do. They both have my thanks for understanding about split payments. Thanks guys....
<< <i>Paul, from one regular guy to another, thats why we search and dig trying to find the nice coins to submit. It's the only way we are able to compete. Well that and Nick & Rick helping us out like they do. They both have my thanks for understanding about split payments. Thanks guys.... >>
Nick and Rick have been great! They have left an everlasting impression on Roosevelt dime collecting, and I am forever grateful.
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<< <i>Ron, There's a pop 1 MS68FB silver Roosie on Heritage right now.
Nick, is there really?????
Ron
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<< <i>I would be willing to make another side bet regarding the 1970 FB. ...
Later, Paul. >>
I would like a piece of that action as well. I am also of the opinion that a 70-p doesn't exist in 67fb, ever!
Greg
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Greg, I agree that there will never be a 1970 MS67FB. I think the bet
was for any grade 1970 FB.
in his set. He slabbed the coin himself.
Nick
I agree. I know of a couple of 70P's that are on there way to PCGS now and the submitter said he
would bet his left n*t one will grade FB.
More seriously, it would be very cool to see that it's theoretically possible to put together a complete set of FB clad dimes. I wish all you guys that search dime rolls all the success in the world!
Mark
Now remember guys.. Roosie's at 69.00 lets get busy, I need help here..
Dan50...Thanks for being my friend! I have 2 now!
Later, Paul
Later, Paul.
If you are not counting me already as the other friend, you actually have three...
Mark
The '70 dime appears as a blazing gem with nice surfaces but is pretty scarce. It usually is
kept out of gem status by relatively minor problems and frequently marking on the portrait.
Many of the mint set coins have unattractive toning and strikes of mint set coins is not as
good as many other dates of the era. Full strikes aren't too tough but to get FB's it needs
a 100% strike which obviously isn't typical.
About 1% of mint set coins are nice gems and the top 10% of original coins will be pretty
nice.
I will be keeping my eyes open for FB's.
have the first complete FB Roosie clad set, and he slabbed them himself. I'll bet
Rick will eventually slab a 70P in FB. What an accomplishment in the Roosevelt
clad series.
Nick....
OK, OK, I confess too. I got an e-mail from Rick too. From what he says he may have a couple 70P's
in FB. They are on there way to PC now. He may even have a 70P that has a shot at MS67. But then
again I thought I had a couple to only have them returned to me in 65 holders.
Nick
1970 comes with practically no bottom to the torch let alone any bands to speak of in MS grades and I have sent in several of my best and received a MS65 for the highest grade. The obverse come flat with no detail to the hairlines in Roosevelts head.
Until PCGS slabs it and I see it I say good luck!
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
1970 comes with practically no bottom to the torch let alone any bands to speak of in MS grades and I have sent in several of my best and received a MS65 for the highest grade. The obverse come flat with no detail to the hairlines in Roosevelts head.
Until PCGS slabs it and I see it I say good luck!
Later, Paul.
Paul you have to be optimistic about these things, if you believe it will come!!!!
<< <i>I've been reading these posts and you all are sniffing glue! >>
Sniffing glue??? Is one side effect from this practice memory loss?? Because I don't remember sniffing any glue.
<< <i>Paul you have to be optimistic about these things, if you believe it will come!!!! >>
I'm very optimistic, but I believe that it will be difficult, and I wish the best for Rick, or whomever has one made.
I don't remember sniffing any glue either, but it sure seems like it.
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
Roosies for Paul.....
Nick
You can expect to see the number in FB's rise for Roosies from the late 60's to the mid 70's. With most of these being weighted coins, it should help some people improve their GPA.
"why am I bidding on a set against someone that probably needs it more then I do" Oh well, I was
out bid anyway. The set finished at $300.
Dan, Remember the bet. You don't owe me the coins you owe them to Paul. I will be getting in several
04P 67FB's. If anyone is interested PM me.
Nick
Well I guess we will have to talk about "The bet".
Dan50, just like you, Nick, and the rest of the Roosie gang, I thought that there would be well over 100+ of both the 2004-P/D MS68FB's and it would be a typical post 1999 year for the Roosies, but 2 things happened. The '04-P's turned out to be REALLY tough and the Mint stopped selling the sets. Also the set rating stuck at 68.97 for months. If you look at the pops, hardly anything is being made in FB. PCGS is getting tough, or the dimes are not there!
I'm really happy to see that I won the bet, but I DO NOT NEED for you to spend $300 for 2 dimes, just because you "owe" them too me in a friendly bet (That you made no less!"). If you want to pay up, thats fine and very gentlmenly of you, but wait until you make one, or the pop on each is 2-300.
I'm also sorry to see that the year finished w/o a 100% FB clad set. I was really hoping that Rick could get the 1970 in FB, but that didn't happen either. What happened to the 1974?
So, what would make me happy is that a few guys around here start eatin' some good ole southern fried "CROW!!!!!!" Cause Paul told ya it would be so.
I'll make a bet for someone to take me on...I will bet you a nice set of 2005-P/D's in ms68fb, that 2005 will see a nice pair of MS69FB's both the P & D by years end! If not, then I will gladly send someone both 2005-P/D MS68FB's for free!
Enjoy that CROW fella's!!!!!
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
Anyone have a good recipe for crow?
its because of the lack of quality, Its because the mint stopped selling them. Either way
enjoy your 04P & D 68FB when Dan gets them to you.
Even if Rick would have made a 70 in FB it would have had to grade at least 66FB to effect
the GPA. I just didn't think that was going to happen.
I here the dinner bell ringing, Hmmm. Fresh Crow
I like mine this way.......
<< <i>... I wonder if PCGS will buy back my FB's that no longer seem to qualify as such. >>
A1- Sure they will... when donkeys fly! You must be on the threshold of a dream!
As an aside, I got hammered on a submission that was finalized the week following the most recent ANA show. Several clad roosies that should have rec'd. the FB desig. did not.
I have resubmitted (crack-out stylee) 3 of those and 2 subsequently got the FB desig, and the third is still out there in the OC. So, the pendulum is still in motion.
PS- all the great threads that never die, many are roosie threads- ennit sumphin'?
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While I am happy to get the designation, it is a shame that I had to pay a second grading fee due to the PCGS graders "mistake" the first time around.
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
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and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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<< <i>I'll make a bet for someone to take me on...I will bet you a nice set of 2005-P/D's in ms68fb, that 2005 will see a nice pair of MS69FB's both the P & D by years end! If not, then I will gladly send someone both 2005-P/D MS68FB's for free! >>
I made this bet and no one took me up on it. I was very suprised to see the mint come out with the Satin Finish Mint Sets. So basically both 2005-P/D's were made in MS69FB/SF, right?
Still no 1970 in FB.
Still no 69.00 set rating.
Still no 100% FB's in the Clad Roosies.
Still not a single 2005-P/D NON-Satin Finish Roosie graded.
Does this series have a future?
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
<< <i>Does this series have a future? >>
Paul I am thinking along the same lines as you. Also with all the confusion about bands, bands that are holdered but not really bands any longer by todays standards. Now the SF-non SF blackhole debate, Roosie price guide a bust. Fee's going up, mistakes going up even more, The mint making us buy mint sets for the chance to get 1 decent P-D dime..no rolls of dimes from the mint. Have to buy them online at inflated prices. If you live on the east coast, no D rolls from your bank, west coast no P rolls from your bank and the mint thinks this is fair. Makes me want to turn in my FB's for PCGS guarantee, sell off the rest and collect popsicle sticks, or just go quiescent.
I would like to complete the set in 100% FB, but I just don't think it will be done...by anyone!
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
I was wondering why you closed your set,, but I thought because you where getting close to the top twenty you just did not want to be held hostage by inflated prices. I have not seen to much activity in the series, but I don't see any of the top sets going anywhere soon. I have been reading you post about the lack of any graded Roosevelt dimes Satin or other wise!!!! Looks like we will have to make our own if you want them, just not sure if even that will be possible. I have been buying roll of P dimes but the D dimes are hard to come by. If you have any good ideas on the subject I'm all ears. If you decide you had enough Pm me with your price list.
Fred
to add top coins as they become available.
<< <i>I know for a fact that the 2 top sets are not going away anytime soon. In fact each set continues
to add top coins as they become available. >>
Its easy to continue to add coins to top sets when one guy is a Doctor and the other guy is BooKoo rich!
Me...I'm just a regular guy!
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
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On another note, I have changed my mind about PCGS adding the mint sets to the registry. I wish they had waited another year, lot of good Roosies we could have used are tied up there.
Paul, from one regular guy to another, thats why we search and dig trying to find the nice coins to submit. It's the only way we are able to compete. Well that and Nick & Rick helping us out like they do. They both have my thanks for understanding about split payments. Thanks guys....
<< <i>Paul, from one regular guy to another, thats why we search and dig trying to find the nice coins to submit. It's the only way we are able to compete. Well that and Nick & Rick helping us out like they do. They both have my thanks for understanding about split payments. Thanks guys.... >>
Nick and Rick have been great! They have left an everlasting impression on Roosevelt dime collecting, and I am forever grateful.
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.