Think this $10 lib can upgrade?

darktone

It's graded MS64 by NGC. mike

RYK

Too many marks to make 65, esp. the chin hit.

buffnut

Maybe if it weren't for the hit near the chin and the activity behind the neck. Still a very nice lib

Reece

I think you got a gift, looks 63 to me, just MO!!

eagle7

No.

techeff

I wouldn't try it. It looks like a 63 from here.

darktone

wow you guy's are pretty harsh. Look at some MS65 $10 libs over at Heritage and then come back and look at this one again. mike

coinbuf

I agree with what everyone has said; the hit on the chin limits the grade.

Chris

mgoodm3

i agree with the above opinions.

SethChandler

If the luster is outstanding and dynamic, yes. Hopefully that hit on the chin looks better in person than the pic.

Seth


Where's Jim Halpern when you need him?

MICHAELDIXON

Personally, I think it was lucky to make 64! Wondo is the one to ask on this series.

CarlWohlforth

No. The following is what I think a 65 should look like:




Unfortunately PCGS only gave that one a 64. I think that has such thick and original luster it should be a lock 65, but less than a dozen coins have gotten that grade...

darktone

Carl, nice coin! Totally original coins usually get a one point bump over messed with coins that's why I am thinking it has a good shot at MS65. It will cracked and sent to PCGS soon. mike

fountainheadgold

Mike thats a pretty big Picture and makes all hits look worse than probable are. could have a good shot at upgrade. nice fields and luster looks good

eagle7

If you must send it in to someone for grading or regrade, please do not crack it out. It is not going to upgrade and most likely will downgrade. You will regret it. JMHO.

darktone

<< <i>please do not crack it out. It is not going to upgrade and most likely will downgrade. >>

I must have submitted a hundred of these raw in the last year or so in MS62+ so I kind of know what to expect. mike

littlejohn

hi
right now ,i think at pcgs , it would get a ms62 or maybe 63.i have sent in raw gold coins 3 times in the last 30 days.have 14 m0re ready to go now.with the chin hit and the mark in the fields.will hold it back from a higher grade.and i think the strike is not there for a ms65. . pcgs are gradeing very hard right now.
i have been looking at a large,large amount of $10 gold lib. and the grade are all over the place.most of the coins i saw ,was over graded,and some a lot.
littejohn

http://www.pcgs.com/new_set_registry/display_coins.chtml?regsetid=22005&rank=1&alltime=yes

The John Edward Combs Collections - The Number One Finest Set of All Time
Liberty Head $10 Gold Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1838-1907)

Weighted GPA : 54.31
% Complete: 7.26%
Set Rating: 2.40

sliderider

Yeah, the bag marks are really too many and too noticable. I wouldn't risk cracking it out. It might not come back the same way it left.

magikbilly

Hi,
there is just so much going on in the primary focal areas, especially on the obverse. I do not see this upgrading, and I would not crack it.

Best,
Billy

littlejohn

hi
if you can find them,(i did)thay are two old books that are pretty good.-(Handbook of Twentieth Century United States Gold Coins
by David W. Akers and a book specifically on ten dollar gold coins by date. by David W. Akers
littlejohn

jom

That's is a bit generous for a 64 BUT if it has excellent luster then it is probably OK. It will depend on how much of a price jump there is between a 63 and 64 for this date. I know some will say that is hooey...but I'm sure that is a consideration. No MS65 however, IMO.

jom

MrPlatinum

That's a PCGS MS-62 maybe a 63, but I'll stick to MS-62.

Nice coin though.

TUMUSS

I'll bet you a buffalo nickel that PCGS grades it 63.

1 out of 5 submisions to NGC....might have a chance at 65.

MrPlatinum

I'll bet 2 dozen eggs and a roll of Keel Boat Nickels.

techeff

wow you guy's are pretty harsh. Look at some MS65 $10 libs over at Heritage and then come back and look at this one again. mike

I spend A LOT of time reviewing gold coins at Heritage. I think you should be happy with your grade.

Carl, You've got me with your coin. From the pics it's a strong 65++

oreville

darktone: You are quite good at these $10 gold coins. But you might be optimistic on this baby?

To me, the obverse hits on liberty's face will not prevent a 65 by itself. However, such obverse issues combined with the reeding marks under the eagle on the reverse will prevent a 65 in my view.

Your thoughts?

darktone

My thoughts- MS64 with a shot at 65. I don't think most here that put in their two cents really know what they are talking about? Someone say's MS62? Here's a picture of your typical MS62 for comparrison. Oh well maybe this is why I do so good with gold? mike

darktone

<< <i>and i think the strike is not there for a ms65 >>

I don't undersand this comment at all? This is about as good as they come strikewise. mike

BillJones

Here's the $10 gold liberty from my type set. It's now in an NCG MS-65 holder, and I was really amazed when it came back in that grade. Formerly it had been in a PCGS MS-64 "rattle holder."

I think that this coin is a near miss, high end, PQ MS-64. So no, I would not vote an upgrade for your coin.

RBB617

Mike,
I don't have any experience with certified gold from NGC, but I do with PCGS. Also, I have a lot more experience with $2 1/2 and $5 gold pieces from the late 19th - early 20th centuries, than I do with $10 gold. Anyhow, based on the picure, I think that 64 is a good grade for the coin, although I wouldn't call it a 64+. The strike looks strong. The luster appears to be good. Most of the fields look good.

That being said, I wouldn't pay 64 money for this coin because I could probably find a 64 with fewer obvious flaws. In my opinion, the hit on the chin and a couple of nicks on the rims limit the chance for an upgrade. Also, it appears that there might be some hits to the right edge of the shield, but I can't be sure. I think this would be a 63 or less only if the grader was having a bad day, which certainly has been known to happen.

Brian

dorkkarl

i think the grade is perfect. no upgrade.

K S

littlejohn

hi
well in the book ,guide to coin grading and counterfeit detection.
it said-
for- ms 65 :gem uncirculated
marks:there may be some scattered marks,hairlines,or other minor
defects.if the flaws are in the main focal area.thay must be minor and few.on larger coins,there can be marks/hairlines in the fields and in the devices,but no major ones.!!
and this is right out of the pcgs grading standards.

littlejohn

RYK

I don't think most here that put in their two cents really know what they are talking about?

Ouch!

darktone

How about the guy's that posted those small fuzzy pictures take some nice clear big ones like mine. I usually find the coin that looks too good for the grade has been messed with. mike

littlejohn

The John Edward Combs Collections - The Number One Finest Set of All Time
Liberty Head $10 Gold Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1838-1907)

Weighted GPA : 54.31
% Complete: 7.26%
Set Rating: 2.40

i think ,that i do know a little bit.!!
thank you
littlejohn
aka- john edward combs

tradedollarnut

I don't think most here that put in their two cents really know what they are talking about?


Interesting thread. Ask for opinions and then denigrate those who give them? Why not just lead off with "Only Concurring Opinions May Post"!

MS65? No - not even at NGC. Too much chatter in the fields.

RYK

MS65? No - not even at NGC. Too much chatter in the fields.

Well, now we have heard it from the World Series champion.

TDN,

You are going to take some ribbing here after your great achievement.

littlejohn

hi
i don't think its even a ms64,for a ms64 or ms65 and higher,you need them 3 little line over the top of the ear.there are no line on top of the ear on this coin.
littlejohn

MacCrimmon

I've seen a lot of garbage in PCGS 64 holders at the past ANA, but IMO, that $10 Lib. only looks 63....to go 64 at PCGS those fields better be very clean, and as Oreville noted, the rev. field chatter appears to excessive from the image.

mhammerman

Take your 64 and be glad.

ccex

MS65? Probably, if TruGrade, NTC, and PCI count.

I agree with most of the others posting here that if submitted to PCGS today, it is as likely to come back a 63 as a 64. I would be very surprised if it graded as low as 62 despite bets to the contrary

darktone

<< <i>i think ,that i do know a little bit.!! >>

Just because you have a registry collection does not mean you are good at grading. Sorry guy's but a few hit a sore spot with me. Those that compare their cleaned MS62 coins to original gold don't have a clue. mike

littlejohn

hi
i got all those coins raw,i guess you did not want to know what we think.did you!!. this is all i have to say.send it in ,then email me with grade.
littlejohn

susanlynn9

It's a beautiful coin but I agree that there are too many contact marks for it to go up to 65. It is gorgeous though.

darktone

John, I just looked at your collection and it is a very nice start. But 11 coins with an average grade of AU54 does not make you an expert by any means. I do want to know what people think but don't give me the impression that you are an expert on these when you are not. mike

littlejohn

hi
you did not look to good .thay are 13 coins there.and 14 more coming.
(but don't give me the impression that you are an expert on these when you are not. mike )
where did i said i was a expert???
littlejohn

littlejohn

ha
i am still learning too.!!
the picture suck bad at the pcgs site as you have to make them so small.
littlejohn

mgoodm3

We can argue over this all day. Send it in and either you'll bask in the glory or we'll say "I told you so". Sounds like your itchin to try for an upgrade.

Coinerww

I don't think so.

littlejohn

hi
my score is so low as i am mainly going after the very rare coins,and i am not a rich man.
littlejohn
i get the best i can buy

darktone

sorry John, I apologize for my comments. I am sure you have the same love for these coins as I do. mike