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When the bubble busts or correction occurs....

cash or credit will be the king. With that in mind, here are some questions for you to ponder and answer:

-when will the opportunity occur?
-how many of you are waiting on the sidelines to jump in when that happens?

And in the area(s) that you collect/invest/accumulate in, that has/have not enjoyed the current upswing:

-how many of you are quietly buying/accumulating...can you tell us what they are?
-if not, why not?

I'm sure there will be other questions or comments that I have not thought of.

Comments

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    There will be no correction. Things are different now, so the market will rise forever.

    Russ, NCNE


  • << <i>Things are different now, so the market will rise forever. >>



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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295


    << <i>There will be no correction. Things are different now, so the market will rise forever. >>



    Yeah, that's what they said in 89 too. What goes up must, and will, come down.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I am spreading my collection 45% Classic Commems in toned, high grades of MS-66 - 68.

    Another 45% in Type Pr and MS Turbane Bust coins, Seated Liberty and Barber quarters and half dollars in 65 -67

    10% in type MS-67 Walking Lib Half Dollars, CC Morgan dollars and toned Peace Dollars.

    I intend to ride out any down turn and will be protected in the event of an inflationary spike.

    My home has a nice 4.875% mortgage wqith 14 years to go and I do not own any stock or bonds.

    In the case of civil unrest, I am more then willingto show miscreants exactly how my collection of guns actually works.
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,649 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome aboard.

    The US economy is apparently in a recovery phase. There will likely be a lot of opportunity
    to make money in other arenas which will compete with the coin market for new capital. Since
    much of the demand is being driven by collectors, there is no certainty that their increased
    finances won't more than offset the decreases caused by opportunity elsewhere.

    If you collect for enjoyment then the overall economy and the coin market will have relatively
    little effect on your collection. If you must buy for speculation, it is up to each individual to de-
    cide which items have the best chance of increasing in value. An excellent case can be made
    for or against almost anything since no one can see the future.
    Tempus fugit.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭
    Welcome to the Forum.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Welcome.
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  • fishcookerfishcooker Posts: 3,446 ✭✭

    It's no different than stocks or bonds or real estate. When everyone dumps their stuff, and people are climbing all over themselves to get out, I'll ease their pain and buy. No "jumping in," that's way too dramatic! Just look back to the 25% plastering that Silver experienced earlier this year, that's a prime example of a thin market with scared sellers.

    Meanwhile, I learn what's cool and what's not, what I like and what I don't, and then when the year comes that investors..... err ..... collectors are clamoring to sell their coins I'll be knowledgable and prepared to assist them with their sale.
  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When the correction occurs, it will be a buying opportunity. I am ready.

    “In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson

    My digital cameo album 1950-64 Cameos - take a look!

  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭✭
    Russ,
    I love your comment!!!
    "You keep your 1804 dollar and 1822 half eagle -- give me rainbow roosies in MS68."
    rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    I have been thinking of unloading ALL of my key dates and just sitting on the money, or even sleeping on it.
  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    I collect what I like, a little lightside, a little darkside, I'm a collector. If the "bubble busts" I'll still have a beautiful collection that I enjoy, I'll just be able to buy more!!!----and image
    Becky
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome to the board!

    I think if there is softness in buying from collectors in the currently of the high flying series (take your pick) you'll see it first in a crunch at the auctions. The crunch will begin when many reserved lots get bought back, or lots that do sell, will sell for "rediculously" low prices. Collectors will then shy away waiting for bargains. Dealers may pick up the slak for awhile, but if they don't sell what they have, they will stop loading up as well.

    If (when) this happens, we'll see a downturn, but it will not be as bad as the 1980 or 1991 ones. Fewer coins will come on the market and demand will eventually pick up again. I don't see much indicating this happening anytime soon.

    We're in a bit of a speculative market here - but it's a long term speculation by collectors on rare and high end coins. Much safer prospects than non-collectors blindly buying the investment hype of boiler room operations.
    Rick Snow, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, Inc.Check out my new web site:
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I would imagine that a compleate coin cycle from bottom to top to bottom is about 7 years.

    Each new bottom as well as each new top is generally higher then the previous Low and high.

    Time is always on the side of the collector with quality coins( regardless of grade) purchased at a

    reasonable price. At least you know it will never be worth less then face value or in the case of gold

    or silver, metal content.
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
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    Michael
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    Here's a Big Fat Welcome to Ya!image

    Coins are my hobby. I pay little attention to broken bubbles or being corrected.








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    All I know is if the market prices go up I will have to pay more for my coins. Of course if prices go down I will pay less for my coins. I will buy coins for my collection regardless of price.
  • Cycle schmycle, my bubble will burst in 15 years when I'm sitting on the beach sipping drink with those funny little umbrellas in them. Gotta pay for those drinks somehowimage


    Herbimage
    Remember it's not how you pick your nose that matters, it's where you put the boogers.
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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    Coins are my hobby. I pay little attention to broken bubbles or being corrected.

    I agree with this statement completely. If prices decline on some series, then I will simply be able to buy a little more than I currently do.....
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with you bear,if I was your ageimage...Time is always on the side of the collector with quality coins( regardless of grade) purchased at a

    reasonable price.
  • Welcome KK8.

    Rick Snow says: "We're in a bit of a speculative market here - but it's a long term speculation by collectors".

    Aren't there a bunch of new dealers stocking up? What about John Maben and CoinGuy1? Could those guys and folks like them be fuel feeding the fire? ... or Air inflating the balloon? aw, I wish I were ClankEye so I could think of something really flowery to express my meaning.
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Carl,
    The coin market is too big for one or two dealers to fuel it by stocking up.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sharp dealers have a way of slipping the downturns. They sense things coming and trim their inventories accordingly. The problem won't be jumping in....but waiting until the nasty end of the downturn to finally snap up bargains at stupid prices. This takes incredible kahunas and patience. There will be several false starts and fake recoveries to shake all but the most die-hard enthusiasts out. Almost no one does this right. And if someone tells you that they always time the recoveries dead on....I say....BS. As far as cycles being X years up and down. That's phooey too. The mold was broken with all the tinkerin the FED does to the economy these days. We don't even have a "business" cycle anymore. Call it a "FED adjustments cycle." The next cycle could 1 year up or 10 years up, and/or 1 year down or 20 years down. Depends on way too many factors outside the control of any one country, entity, etc. The time to buy is when everyone thinks coins stink, and this board starts to die off.

    The US economy is apparently in a recovery phase.....

    Sorry, but I disagree, as do many others. But to each his own.
    Everyone has to make their own decisions and act accordingly.
    In fact no one really knows, and most will call this one wrong too. That's the way of markets.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • Russ is jerking yur chain !

    My key coins were bought rite and a down turn is not a concern for me.
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  • << <i>The US economy is apparently in a recovery phase..... >>




    << <i>Sorry, but I disagree, as do many others. But to each his own.
    Everyone has to make their own decisions and act accordingly.
    In fact no one really knows, and most will call this one wrong too. That's the way of markets. >>



    I also agree. Most of my money is in cash right now. How can the US economy be in recovery when we now have the biggest trade deficit in history? We are consuming far more than we are producing. I predict a long hard recession before I predict economic recovery. If that happens, there will be plenty of bargains in coins, if your lucky enough to still be making a living.
  • I also agree. Most of my money is in cash right now. How can the US economy be in recovery when we now have the biggest trade deficit in history? We are consuming far more than we are producing. I predict a long hard recession before I predict economic recovery. If that happens, there will be plenty of bargains in coins, if your lucky enough to still be making a living.

    If you ever studied economics you'd understand that deficits are not necessarily a bad thing. I learned that during my first year of college... image
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  • << <i>I have been thinking of unloading ALL of my key dates and just sitting on the money, or even sleeping on it. >>


    that would be a wise move. ALL of them have been priorly bought up over 2 years,manipulatively ran up with the already bought mini hoards here and there but buying very few more after getting at 1/4 of the now run-up off of false bids that are always "filled". sell em, you'll get em back for half or less,or a lot less in a year

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