Just ask Goliath what happened to him for messing with David.
I'll do battle with anyone.
I fear no man especially guys that think they can beat me because they think they have $,It's a matter of principal now.
I can care less if he has millions or who he is.
I'm going to give him a major battle.
I'll let a judge rule on this.
Bring it on, is all I'm going to say.
I have more cojones than most people you know.
You go ahead and take the day off try to enjoy it, I'm sure this thread will hit 500 by the weekend! >>
even i, if i try enough can catch a fly with a pair of chopsticks....if was by fate of God Himself to end the life of goliath. David happened to be the "chosen one" to carry out said deed..
<< <i>This will undoubtedly cost him 10's of thousands of dollars in potential sales not to mention the ANA is going to raise their eyebrows when they get the packet my lawyer sent them. >>
<< <i>I'll let a judge rule on this. >>
Why would you possibly need a lawyer for something so trivial? I hope your lawyer's a family member and will work pro bono or you're just throwing good money after bad. Dump the coins, take the loss and move on. Live and learn.
so? my house is worth a million and i have plenty of other assets but a few million here or there dont stack to what is willing to be spent in the legal realm to resolve such a petty matter. blow the crap out on teletrade and move on already....sheet, you've spent at least a thousand dollars worth of your own time so far..just packin pud over it
<< <i>When you're a guy like me you have a big bull's eye. >>
It's no wonder you have a bulls eye when you make statements like:
<< <i>Now you tell me other than that b/s what else did you find... what I figured buttwhipe, go play with Russ will you, I bet you lick his bung when no one is looking, I bet he thinks you're his woman. >>
Eventually, someone's going to hit the target. From what I've seen on these boards, you'll deserve it. But look on the bright side, your mail order bride can throw you one he11 of a funeral.
No, I'm in Los Angeles, but I figured that I could guaranty you full recovery of your initial $730, cut your anticipated attorney fees in half and let you keep the coins -- all in 30 days!
Seriously though, as an attorney my advice is don't waste your time, or the court's resources over such a trivial matter. There are other people far more wronged than you that need to utilize our fine "justice" system. Cases such as this only clog up the system and cause delays. To be honest, if your attorney did handle this on your behalf and charged you $25,000 in fees and he actually filed a complaint in Missouri, he should be disbarred.
Just to let you know, if your attorney hasn't told you, you have a duty to mitigate your damages. So you really should sell the coins at the best price possible and then the difference between that price and your purchase price would be your actual damages. In actuality you're probably talking about $400 at most that is at issue. And by the way, your other recourse is to have PCGS review them under a grade guaranty and recoup your investment.
Go race a Viper, pet your fish, create a webblog or buy another bride, but please don't involve the courts or an attorney in this matter.
At the risk of keeping it civil and addressing the issue here...
What are a set of 18 PCGS 69s worth in the marketplace? If these coins are true POS's (I can't see any of the pictures that have been attached before), maybe PCGS needs to review 'em and possibly make it right on the grade. I don't know that they'd refund $700+ even if they agreed that some of these were no-way-in-hell-MS69s, but it might be better than nothing.
As much as the seller is one I wouldn't deal with because of the no refunds (actually, it says "on refunds," not "no refunds") and stuff. But even so, presumably that was clear when making the purchase, so let's not leave PCGS out of the fray here. They slabbed this (apparent) junk as MS-69.
You know, I believe in standing up for principles and all that, but let's be realistic here. Over a matter of $730, you will be ending up in small claims court. One does NOT get a multi-million dollar judgement in small claims court. You will NOT be taking away his home, business or his wife and children over this. Your legal fees will easily be much more than what you could ever possibly hope to win. Best bet here if he refuses to take the coins back and refund your money is to go through the buyer protections built in to ebay and Paypal, if that's how you paid. You'll pay a fee, but you'll still get most of your money back.
<< <i>If I win anything in my judgement I'll donate it to a charity of PCGS's choice. >>
Instead of donating $730 why don't you forgo the lawsuit, and donate your attorneys' fees to a charity. The $25,000 will be much better spent. And I tell you what since I am on the SoCal Board for MDA (Jerry's Kids). Donate the $25,000 to the MDA and I'll pay your way to our next fundraiser -- Dice on the Beach -- October 1, 2004. I'll pay for you and your wife to fly to Los Angeles from Las Vegas and will even put you up for the night at the New Otani Hotel in LA and will even have you featured as a "Special Guest of Honor" at the event.
C'mon MrPlatinum money's no object, right. $250 that's it -- for starters -- that wouldn't buy a wheel for 1 wheel chair for 1 kid.
If you use 200 ounce palladium bars as doorstops certainly you can do better than that????
If you're ready to pay some attorney $25,000 to chase $730 certainly dropping $25,000 on Jerry's Kids shouldn't be a problem. I've already offered to fly you and your wife to Los Angeles, pay for your hotel and make you the guest of honor at the event. Have you ever been the guest of honor at a charity event???? H*ll, I'll even through in a limo for ya.
Step up to the plate. BE A MAN. Put all that money you claim to have to use for something positive for once. Help a child that will never walk have some enjoyment in life before he/she dies.
Do you have what it takes to walk the walk????????? Or are you all bravado with nothing to back it up??????????
Quite often I send in silver eagles to PCGS and when they come back they start to form those white spots or haze. Over time it gets worse and worse. I'm sure when PCGS originally saw those coins they didn't have those spots. That's how those coins get those grades.
<< <i>FYI my legal bill is not $25k, if it is it'll be on his tab, if there's a judgment. >>
I have a better chance of getting you to donate $25,000 to the MDA than you will ever have of collecting legal fees from the defendant.
It doesn't happen in today's system.
But that still begs the question -- if you have anywhere near the money you claim to have, a donation of this size should be pocket change for you. I use little wooden doorstoppers and I can donate that much.
You said money isn't an issue for you. You claim that you could buy and sell most if not all of us on this Board, well prove it. Do something useful with your vast wealth. Help a child. You obviously have a son that you're proud of, some parents will never get to see their child graduate from grade school because of MD no less get offers to Ivy League schools for college. Make that family's life a bit easier. Haven't you been blessed???? From your posts I read you like to think you're God, now here's a chance to play him for real. You get to help change a child's life forever. How's that for being a God?????
Fratt: Save your words: There is no logic or sense of greater good in Mr. P's Universe ... the man has no humility and no sense of duty to anyone but himself.
I applaud you and your dedication to such a worthy endevour. I cannot tell you how many doors I knocked on as a kid collecting money for the MDA telethon (back when kids did that I guess. When I was 12 I had my best year ever (in 1973) by turning in over 230.00 of collected pennies and dimes. I did not even cherry pick 'em either.
Mr Platinum -
If you push as much money around as it appears, just denying this dealer your business should be more than ample punishment for the way you feel treated. If your word is as good as you say then telling other people you deal with about the shoddy treatment you apparently received would compound the punishment. It seems like you are punishing yourself by wasting time and energy on this. You could be making more money doing something else. I understand about the princilple of the matter, but in todays seemingly inscrutable legal environment, you cannot guarantee anything if you pursue this so hotly.
<< <i>I applaud you and your dedication to such a worthy endevour. >>
Thanks, I appreciate that. I just felt that I've been quite lucky in life and it was about time I started to give a little in return. A friend of mine is the SoCal Events Director for MDA and asked if I could help out. I had already gone to a couple of their events and got to meet a couple of the kids and thought to myself what a great charity. BTW -- 78% of all contributions go directly to the kids. So this is a really well run organization.
Why not help? If I can help make a difference in one child's life or help bring the MDA and their research scientists one step closer to a cure, what could be more rewarding in life???
I use to think it's how much money you make, then I thought it's how much money you keep (from the govt) now I am at a place where what's important is what you do with that money is what counts.
Life is too short to worry about your Vipers, tropical fish, beating someone in a Registry contest or what your doorstop is made of.
I'd rather see the smile on a child's face when they realize you are sponsoring them to go the MDA summer camp for a week of fun and games and a little independence from Mom and Dad.
Michael
PS -- Hey Leo -- where did you slink off to?????????? No response, that's what I thought.
NEWSFLASH !!!!! the aftermarket spot price on palladium is UP !! $215.50/oz ***** there goes them doorstoppers !! hmmm...let's see give/take your transaction fees,etc thats right at about a net of $85,000. that should cover your first wave of a combat fee with ol JP <-hey! a rhyme i've known jay for umpteen yrs. you want me to call him and see if he will cut you some slack on the slander damages amount he certainly would seek ? heh... it coud lead to BIG savings....of course i would require the 85g in my interest earning escrow acct until settlement of which i benefit from. only your principle is jay's money. of course this would take a few years..
Comments
Too many people have looked at your pics already and Geocities has shut it off. Email it to me at catfish172@elvis.com and I'll put it up for you.
How cute, Catfish made a friend. First that fraud poe58, and now this. God it's perfect. Just perfect.
Ask Kiefer.
I have a hotttt wife.
She'll be more than happy to take some more pictures for you guys, this time holding some choice Gold MS-70's
Let's see pix of your wife electric.
Let me guess she's hanging out with Miss Russ.
<< <i>doop
Just ask Goliath what happened to him for messing with David.
I'll do battle with anyone.
I fear no man especially guys that think they can beat me because they think they have $,It's a matter of principal now.
I can care less if he has millions or who he is.
I'm going to give him a major battle.
I'll let a judge rule on this.
Bring it on, is all I'm going to say.
I have more cojones than most people you know.
You go ahead and take the day off try to enjoy it, I'm sure this thread will hit 500 by the weekend! >>
even i, if i try enough can catch a fly with a pair of chopsticks....if was by fate of God Himself to end the life of goliath. David happened to be the "chosen one" to carry out said deed..
That's a nice gold Maple on your icon.
What year is it?
<< <i>Let's see pix of your wife electric. >>
I'm not married and I don't usually email pictures of my girlfriend to every bloated cuban with a penchant for pornography.
This is where ALL of you guys are wrong.
Do not ever underestimate a guy that no one here personally knows.
You guys have no clue as to what or who I am.
All you know is my ramblings here.
Just to give you an idea,
I've seen Jay's house here in Vegas, it's chump change.
My 3 Vipers are worth more than his so called Million dollar house, I can only imagine what my house is worth if he claims his is $1M.
I'll be more than happy to take him on anywhere anytime any place.
My turf or his.
I remember when I started my business when I was 17 no one gave me a chance in hell.
19 years later, I'm still here and totally dominating my Congo imports, much like I've dominated my Platinum over the last 3 years.
Just with what I've made over the last year I can retire and live in peace for the rest of my life.
I choose to stay for at least 2 more years.
I want to make sure my son has a good future before I fully retire.
I can see why you're not married.
You spend your nights here, it's 1:15 PST I'm in bed with my wife and my laptop watching the Olympics.
Why aren't you with your girl?
Let me guess she's in the same place Miss Russ is.
She's your imaginary woman, I think her name is the PCGS boards.
The only porn I watch these days is you and Russ making love to the PCGS boards.
Please, I dont want to be a threesome with you 2.
<< <i>This will undoubtedly cost him 10's of thousands of dollars in potential sales not to mention the ANA is going to raise their eyebrows when they get the packet my lawyer sent them. >>
<< <i>I'll let a judge rule on this. >>
Why would you possibly need a lawyer for something so trivial? I hope your lawyer's a family member and will work pro bono or you're just throwing good money after bad. Dump the coins, take the loss and move on. Live and learn.
Michael
If you're not in PST.
You are a very sad man.
GOOD NIGHT!
I can care less about the $ at this point.
It's a matter of principal.
If it costs me $25k in legal fees so what.
Anyone that knows me well and has been to my house knows I use 200 ounce palladium bars as door stoppers!
(no lie)
Think about it if and when a judge sides with me, it'll be the best lawyers HIS money can buy.
I'll just put a judgement on his Vegas home if it's his, it'll be brought out in discovery.
I have all my ducks in a row.
This is now personal.
Money has nothing to do with it.
I want to see how good I really am.
It'll be a test of my will and determination.
<< <i>doop
I can care less about the $ at this point.
It's a matter of principal.
If it costs me $25k in legal fees so what.
Anyone that knows me well and has been to my house knows I use 200 ounce palladium bars as door stoppers!
(no lie)
Think about it if and when a judge sides with me, it'll be the best lawyers HIS money can buy.
I'll just put a judgement on his Vegas home if it's his, it'll be brought out in discovery.
I have all my ducks in a row. >>
then.....you sir, are an IDIOT *hick* phhhhhhhh.......buuuuuuuurp!
No No spic!
Look at the picture below, that's actually me....
hey! Burp?! that's my line.
Ok Kids tv time and play time on the board time is over.
My mail order wife is telling me to put the puter down.
Catch ya'll on the rebound.
<< <i>If it costs me $25k in legal fees so what. >>
I'll tell you what, pay me $12,500.00 and I'll guaranty you'll get your $730 back within 30 days! And you get to keep the coins!
Michael
<< <i>
<< <i>If it costs me $25k in legal fees so what. >>
I'll tell you what, pay me $12,500.00 and I'll guaranty you'll get your $730 back within 30 days! And you get to keep the coins!
Michael >>
very good, but hey..pay me $775 and i'll have your $730 back in 2 days
And ah Frattlaw i'll do the deal for 10-4 and he keeps the coins !
Doop beat my bid !
im down to 739.95
does Coinface look like Elton John ?
<< <i>When you're a guy like me you have a big bull's eye. >>
It's no wonder you have a bulls eye when you make statements like:
<< <i>Now you tell me other than that b/s what else did you find... what I figured buttwhipe, go play with Russ will you, I bet you lick his bung when no one is looking, I bet he thinks you're his woman. >>
Eventually, someone's going to hit the target. From what I've seen on these boards, you'll deserve it. But look on the bright side, your mail order bride can throw you one he11 of a funeral.
Ken
Thanks for the offer, I already have someone working on it.
Also are you from MO?
Seriously though, as an attorney my advice is don't waste your time, or the court's resources over such a trivial matter. There are other people far more wronged than you that need to utilize our fine "justice" system. Cases such as this only clog up the system and cause delays. To be honest, if your attorney did handle this on your behalf and charged you $25,000 in fees and he actually filed a complaint in Missouri, he should be disbarred.
Just to let you know, if your attorney hasn't told you, you have a duty to mitigate your damages. So you really should sell the coins at the best price possible and then the difference between that price and your purchase price would be your actual damages. In actuality you're probably talking about $400 at most that is at issue. And by the way, your other recourse is to have PCGS review them under a grade guaranty and recoup your investment.
Go race a Viper, pet your fish, create a webblog or buy another bride, but please don't involve the courts or an attorney in this matter.
Michael
I prefer a judgment in this matter.
It's not about the money bud.
I can care less about those coins.
The principal in this matter is the retaliatory feedback for no reason, the coins are secondary at this point.
What that person claimed is untrue, in my book that's libel.
Like I said, I'll take this all the way if needed.
Besides where he comes from, I'm sure the courts are not jammed up like they are in LA.
Ebay, feedback and libel
Just something to consider before you start crusading.
Michael
What are a set of 18 PCGS 69s worth in the marketplace? If these coins are true POS's (I can't see any of the pictures that have been attached before), maybe PCGS needs to review 'em and possibly make it right on the grade. I don't know that they'd refund $700+ even if they agreed that some of these were no-way-in-hell-MS69s, but it might be better than nothing.
As much as the seller is one I wouldn't deal with because of the no refunds (actually, it says "on refunds," not "no refunds") and stuff. But even so, presumably that was clear when making the purchase, so let's not leave PCGS out of the fray here. They slabbed this (apparent) junk as MS-69.
Nice to see you have your priorities in line like those ducks of yours.
Actually the sophemoric come-backs are getting rather boring.
He does love the on refund terms.
Come ON give me my refund!
Also, he left retaliatory feedback, and has intimidated others if they leave a neg, they get a neg in return.
Go look at the positives on page one you can clearly see where a member not once but twice left a positive feedback claiming what I'm claiming.
The ANA is also going to review this case.
By ANA rules, no matter what the issue is, an ANA member HAS TO refund the money on ANY numismatic item, if the client is unhappy.
Which part of this do you guys dont get?
<< <i>Which part of this do you guys dont get? >>
-I'm a little confused, is he a principal or a coin dealer
<< <i>The principal in this matter is >>
If I win anything in my judgement I'll donate it to a charity of PCGS's choice.
I'm not after the money people.
Russ is busy selling his coins, I think he found Miss Russ.
<< <i>If I win anything in my judgement I'll donate it to a charity of PCGS's choice. >>
Instead of donating $730 why don't you forgo the lawsuit, and donate your attorneys' fees to a charity. The $25,000 will be much better spent. And I tell you what since I am on the SoCal Board for MDA (Jerry's Kids). Donate the $25,000 to the MDA and I'll pay your way to our next fundraiser -- Dice on the Beach -- October 1, 2004. I'll pay for you and your wife to fly to Los Angeles from Las Vegas and will even put you up for the night at the New Otani Hotel in LA and will even have you featured as a "Special Guest of Honor" at the event.
Michael
Tom
How's this why don't you talk to JP.
If he equals my offer for charity and agrees to take care of this.
I'll drop the whole thing.
I can assure you he wont give you the time of day.
If you get past his pittbull of a wife and talk to Jay, I'll donate $250 for starters.
If you use 200 ounce palladium bars as doorstops certainly you can do better than that????
If you're ready to pay some attorney $25,000 to chase $730 certainly dropping $25,000 on Jerry's Kids shouldn't be a problem. I've already offered to fly you and your wife to Los Angeles, pay for your hotel and make you the guest of honor at the event. Have you ever been the guest of honor at a charity event???? H*ll, I'll even through in a limo for ya.
Step up to the plate. BE A MAN. Put all that money you claim to have to use for something positive for once. Help a child that will never walk have some enjoyment in life before he/she dies.
Do you have what it takes to walk the walk????????? Or are you all bravado with nothing to back it up??????????
Michael
Whatever he donates I'll match.
My offer stands for you frattlaw $250 for a simple phone call.
I'm sure that's what you make for a phone call anyway.
I'll step up to the plate once JP answers you.
FYI my legal bill is not $25k, if it is it'll be on his tab, if there's a judgment.
I believe it's called reasonable attorney fees.
<< <i>FYI my legal bill is not $25k, if it is it'll be on his tab, if there's a judgment. >>
I have a better chance of getting you to donate $25,000 to the MDA than you will ever have of collecting legal fees from the defendant.
It doesn't happen in today's system.
But that still begs the question -- if you have anywhere near the money you claim to have, a donation of this size should be pocket change for you. I use little wooden doorstoppers and I can donate that much.
You said money isn't an issue for you. You claim that you could buy and sell most if not all of us on this Board, well prove it. Do something useful with your vast wealth. Help a child. You obviously have a son that you're proud of, some parents will never get to see their child graduate from grade school because of MD no less get offers to Ivy League schools for college. Make that family's life a bit easier. Haven't you been blessed???? From your posts I read you like to think you're God, now here's a chance to play him for real. You get to help change a child's life forever. How's that for being a God?????
C'mon Leo, BE A MAN.
Michael
Wouldn't a quick dip go a long way to preventing this kind of spotting?
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
I applaud you and your dedication to such a worthy endevour. I cannot tell you how many doors I knocked on as a kid collecting money for the MDA telethon (back when kids did that I guess. When I was 12 I had my best year ever (in 1973) by turning in over 230.00 of collected pennies and dimes. I did not even cherry pick 'em either.
Mr Platinum -
If you push as much money around as it appears, just denying this dealer your business should be more than ample punishment for the way you feel treated. If your word is as good as you say then telling other people you deal with about the shoddy treatment you apparently received would compound the punishment. It seems like you are punishing yourself by wasting time and energy on this. You could be making more money doing something else. I understand about the princilple of the matter, but in todays seemingly inscrutable legal environment, you cannot guarantee anything if you pursue this so hotly.
Just my 2 sents worth
<< <i>I applaud you and your dedication to such a worthy endevour. >>
Thanks, I appreciate that. I just felt that I've been quite lucky in life and it was about time I started to give a little in return. A friend of mine is the SoCal Events Director for MDA and asked if I could help out. I had already gone to a couple of their events and got to meet a couple of the kids and thought to myself what a great charity. BTW -- 78% of all contributions go directly to the kids. So this is a really well run organization.
Why not help? If I can help make a difference in one child's life or help bring the MDA and their research scientists one step closer to a cure, what could be more rewarding in life???
I use to think it's how much money you make, then I thought it's how much money you keep (from the govt) now I am at a place where what's important is what you do with that money is what counts.
Life is too short to worry about your Vipers, tropical fish, beating someone in a Registry contest or what your doorstop is made of.
I'd rather see the smile on a child's face when they realize you are sponsoring them to go the MDA summer camp for a week of fun and games and a little independence from Mom and Dad.
Michael
PS -- Hey Leo -- where did you slink off to?????????? No response, that's what I thought.
the aftermarket spot price on palladium is UP !! $215.50/oz ***** there goes them doorstoppers !!
hmmm...let's see give/take your transaction fees,etc thats right at about a net of $85,000.
that should cover your first wave of a combat fee with ol JP <-hey! a rhyme
i've known jay for umpteen yrs. you want me to call him and see if he will cut you some slack on
the slander damages amount he certainly would seek ?
heh...
it coud lead to BIG savings....of course i would require the 85g in my interest earning escrow acct until settlement of which i benefit from. only your principle is jay's money. of course this would take a few years..
I bought over 15,000 ounces at $136 an ounce March 2003.
***News Flash****
I sold 5000 ounces in April for $365 an ounce.
****News Flash***
I bought that same 5000 ounces back last month for $125 bucks less.
Also fratt,
I do have a life and a family you can not expect me to be here 24/7 like Russ.
Like I said I usually spend about 10 mins a day here.
The other time is spent tending to my 3 businesses and fam.