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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    35 obv 45 rev.

  • VF-25. I like it!!
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  • XF-40
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  • OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF-40
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  • Hello,

    Please ignore the two blank posts…

    I would say your coin has very strong eye appeal, liberty is full and strong, except for the “L” on the obverse and a few letters on the reverse… EF40 would be my guess.

    Do please let us know what the PCGS grades it.

    Enjoy the weekend,
    Anthony
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would agree, should easily pull Xf-40 at PCGS
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the opinions. I was a bit unsure because of the difference between the two sides. IMO, the obverse grades a 30 and the reverse a 45. I don't think I'd call it a 40 overall, unless I were selling it (just kidding!)

    I picked this up on Ebay, and was very pleased with its look especially considering the seller's picture. I wasn't sure if the obverse was cleaned in the fields, the way it's so reflective, but considering the way his reverse pic looks, I presumed (correctly) it was just a bad picture. BTW, this is the medium 10c variety (JR-12), which is relatively uncommon among the 1829's, and is one I've been looking for about a year now.

    SirAnthonyAC, welcome to the boards. I won't be able to give you a PCGS grade as I have no plans to submit this coin. Into my Dansco Bust Dime album it goes.
  • If that doesn't grade XF-40, then I will go out and buy myself some glasses for real.
  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF40

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  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,115 ✭✭✭✭✭
    xf
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF35.

    I like it!

    Edited to add: while I was conservative, I certainly wouldn't disagree with the majority so far, who've said EF40. I think the reverse definitely makes EF. Personally, I would look for just a little more hair detail on the obverse, but it's darn close. It does have a solid shot at EF.

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  • VF 35, IMHO, it would need some luster left to be XF40, but nice detail overall, and great color for sure! image
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  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF 35, IMHO, it would need some luster left to be XF40

    Agreed, it would need some luster in the protected areas to qualify for EF. I'd grade the obv VF30, with maybe a bump to VF35 if I saw the coin in hand and really liked it.

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  • PreTurbPreTurb Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭
    Glad to hear it is not cleaned. From the pic, I would have guessed there was an old wipe. I would say it is VF30-35. Nice looking coin!

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF40 by current standards. Would have been a nice VF when I started collecting.
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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Folks,
    Based on the photo's, I still believe this coin has enough to pull Xf-40 at PCGS in todays times! (would like to see in hand to be 100% sure?)

    If Barry were intending to submit, I would be willing to bet on it?

    jim
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Jim,
    You going to Baltimore? If so, I can bring it with me. I'll be there for the day on Friday.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A very pleasant VF-25/VF-30.

    But by today's standards more than few will call it EF. There is too much wear on the obverse for that grade as it has been defined over the last 35 years, but "the times they are a changin'."
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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nope,

    The July Baltimore this year is a bad time for me. Although, I may have to ride up thier to view a few auction lots, but that would be earlier in the week. I am holding out for a fun time in Pittsburg.

    I truly agree with Bill Jones and would like to call that coin a nice solid Vf-30 or so, but I have been seeing the grading services grading including PCGS grades of late, and they are simply not grading to the standards that were in place even 5-7 years ago. Grading by the TPG's are being pushed up more than ever, especially in the circulated grade ranges. I am amazed at all the coins I see and the grades that are stated on the holders.


    In fact, it is so evident now, that I can frequently by coins like indian head cents, buffalo nickles, merc dimes, seated coins, and even bust coins from local dealers who still grade on the old scale, send them into oneof the top three TPG's and get them graded higher and sell them back to dealers or on e-bay for a profit. I have done it several times on a few coins where the grade jump is significant in the past month, including on a CC morgan, a key-date indian and Bust dime!

    jim

  • Well it looks like I still have the lowest grade of all of the opinions thus far. Although BillJones did grade it VF-25/30, which is close to my opinion. I am sticking with my grade of VF-25. It would be fun to have Barry submit the coin to PCGS for grading.

    Technical grade aside, I would not price this coin using CDN bid prices. It has a nice "look" and therefore carries a small premium, imo. So even though we may not agree on the grade, our pricing opinions may be suprisingly close.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,970 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Technical grade aside, I would not price this coin using CDN bid prices. It has a nice "look" and therefore carries a small premium, imo. So even though we may not agree on the grade, our pricing opinions may be suprisingly close. >>



    Bingo!

    That's why these coins get overgraded. In order to get a fair price for them from collectors whose noses are stuck in the Gray Sheet and nowhere else, the coins have be overgraded on the slab. Sadly most of the raw ones are also overgraded or they have problems.
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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I too agree with Jade's comments on the pricing structure and it having to do a lot with the slab grade(market grading)

    Even though grades are subjective to a degree, I would rather have the grades given to be more in line with what the coin actually is, then price it accordingly to the quality of the piece itself. But it doesnt look like its going to happen!


    jim
  • It is interesting to me, Barry, that EUSD states "Obverse well struck except for some weakness in curls over eye and ear." This is an overstatement of the obverse strike on this marriage. Almost every one that I've seen has a very weak clasp. The reverse always seems a step or two better than the obverse.

    Anyway, yours is a nice coin. While I haven't really attempted to find an upgrade for mine, it is much less impressive than yours. Notice what I say about the strike difference OBV vs REV?

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  • JrGMan2004JrGMan2004 Posts: 7,557
    Hey Byron! How ya doin? image That is a nice lookin coin. And yeah, I can see the real difference in the grade between the Obverse and Reverse...
    -George
    42/92
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the photo, the coin seems to have a nice original look...worthy of VF35 or perhaps higher... I would rather see the coin to make a final determination. I think it is clear that the reverse strike is superior to the obverse and the coin may not exhibit the wear that is consistent for a VF grade. If I am correct about the strike, then an EF40 grade would be appropriate. Good luck if it is submitted... I can see the bets now...image

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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Hi Byron. Welcome to the forum! And thanks for the additional opinions, guys.
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    extremely fine but not choice ef. Very nice coin.image

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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    vf-35+, but worth considerabley more, owing to very nice orignality.

    K S
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF40.

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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570

    VF30
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