<< <i>Hey Jeremy - here is a news flash for you. I know exactly what context it was meant in when he said it. The words still apply here. Please, don't try to give history lessons to someone who is more than twice your age. >>
1. Seems to me that Jeremy got it correct and you're taking issue with his using the quote in its proper context and you want to misapply the use of wise old Ben's words. If anyone's out of order it's you, not Jeremy. The fact that you're twice as old as Jeremy, certainly does not equate with twice as wise. It looks like although Jeremy may be half as old, he's the one that's twice as wise.
2. Your initial thread is non-sensical - what's your gripe and who's it with? If its personal, use the PM button and don't air your personal issues on this forum, it's inappropriate.
<< <i>I want to see if he has the guts to admit to doing this, or if he is just going to remain a snake. >>
Doing what? What has whoever ythis person done? Be specific so we can determine what your "rant" is about?
Lets analyze it:
<< <i>I was just told >>
Well right from thr git go yourrelying on what someone else told you and if what you were told is inaccurate and slanted, then the inofrmation you're relying on could be an untruth, or only partially true or true with a lot of important facts left out.
<< <i>a certain regular poster here who is a seller decided to email a less than honest seller >>
That's interesting - already you've determine who's honest and who's not and you only heard one side of the story. How did you determine the other side of this tale ESP? The delphic orcle? a weege board?
<< <i>about a problem that was posted here. >>
Lots of "problems" get posted here - want to be a bit more specific?
<< <i>I know for a fact that this seller is not the most honest in his dealings >>
So therefore what ever you tell us is absolutely true based on your interpretation of what your heard about this one-sided version of this problem?
<< <i>naturally he told the busybody a bunch of BS about how he did nothing wrong. >>
Lets see you're now being told be someone what someone else told somebody else and from all that you've made a detemination as to an "absolute truth" between the parties to the problem that you heard about from someone else?
As someone has already said: Is this post necessary?
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Did dlimb2 insure it when it was returned? If the package was empty doesn't dlimb2 file a claim and slqmaven writes a statement saying he received an empty package and sends the statement back to dlimb2 and the Post Office pays dlimb2? What's the problem?
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
you mean well I'm sure for whatever reasons you got involved in this whole mess - however I definently take issue with you putting down Jeremy who is a High School student indeed, and yes a rather fine young man with a super future. Your tacky post in response to his - does not say much for someone indeed double his age, and in all honesty should probably apoligize to him. He's just a kid - why don't you find another 16 year old that puts his free time into collecting coins and money earmarked to charity?
Did dlimb2 insure it when it was returned? If the package was empty doesn't dlimb2 file a claim and slqmaven writes a statement saying he received an empty package and sends the statement back to dlimb2 and the Post Office pays dlimb2?
Dog - That's the entire misunderstanding. SLQ never said the package was empty. He refused delivery because he believed that the buyer had no right to return the coins. The package is still sitting unopened at SLQ's post office. It's a shame that everyone's so busy crying foul that they can't hear what the other guy's saying. Anyway, SLQ has agreed to give the refund just to make this go away.
Now, is there some other mess for me to stick my nose in? It's too early to go to bed and I don't want to have to resort to sample slab bashing quite yet...
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Thanks dlimb2. In the other thread you said: <<<dlimb2 Saturday February 28, 2004 9:23 PM ...now I am out the money and the set, as he told Paypal he never received it...but someone at his mailbox received it...he told them that I did not put the coins back in the box>>>
Then MrEureka said: <<<MrEureka Wednesday March 03, 2004 7:23 PM And third, he offered a full refund in exchange for an apology.>>>
I'm kinda confused here; Why would slqmaven offer a refund on $270 worth of coins that he didn't get back? Coin dealers don't do that, especially when the buyer will get insurance $$ from the PO. So slqmaven did get the coins back? Why did he say he didn't?
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
I've spoken with Jeremy many times, and don't really have a problem with him. However, when I made my initial post, I was not in the best of moods. Everybody has moods, and mine gets very sour when another collector is taken advantage of. Did I snap back? Probably, but I still take offense when somebody makes a comment about my knowledge of US History, considering my background in the field.
Now I am not going to comment on the Jeremy business again, I am busy trying to help someone work out a problem. >>
Regardless of what you know about history, Jeremy's interpretation of Franklin's quote is correct, not yours. Being wrong doesn't give you the luxury of taking offence.
<< <i>He refused delivery because he believed that the buyer had no right to return the coins. >>
From what has been said, the buyer received garbage that bore no resemblance whatsoever to the image presented in the auction. It seems to me that, if that is the case, the buyer had every right to return the coins.
In addition, the buyer has stated that she's received the green signature card back. Was it signed? If so, the package was not refused. Who is lying here?
That post wasn't there while I was typing my reply. <<<Dog - That's the entire misunderstanding. SLQ never said the package was empty. He refused delivery because he believed that the buyer had no right to return the coins. The package is still sitting unopened at SLQ's post office. It's a shame that everyone's so busy crying foul that they can't hear what the other guy's saying. Anyway, SLQ has agreed to give the refund just to make this go away.>>>
So slq got the coins back and is giving dlimb2 a refund. What's the problem? He just hasn't done it yet? OK.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
From what has been said, the buyer received garbage that bore no resemblance whatsoever to the image presented in the auction. It seems to me that, if that is the case, the buyer had every right to return the coins.
Russ - These were modern commems in US Mint packaging. How bad could they have been?
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I don't have a dog in this fight, nor have I read all the posts to this thread, but I can say this:
A man's feedback profile says a lot about how he does business and treats his clients or those from whom he purchases. Having said that, I'd not touch a siqmaven auction with a 10 foot pole.
<< <i>I don't have a dog in this fight, nor have I read all the posts to this thread, but I can say this:
A man's feedback profile says a lot about how he does business and treats his clients or those from whom he purchases. Having said that, I'd not touch a siqmaven auction with a 10 foot pole.
GSAGUY >>
I don't have a dog in this fight either and I have read all of the threads, and I will have to gree with GSAGUY on this one...... Someone with a feedback history of 1 out of 100 feedbacks being negative is absolutely not good feedback history and that would include all of the newbie bidders that don't receive their coin/item the day after the auction.
OT: I was taken a month and a half back by an ebay powerseller...for quite a bit...I guess it was a lesson learned....I payed him the money and also returned the coin set...now I am out the money and the set, as he told Paypal he never received it...but someone at his mailbox received it...he told them that I did not put the coins back in the box, which was a lie...it has become to dishonest for me to partake in such practices of dishonesty...I wish there was a government agency to patrol and keep it honest but as it stands it is Fraud run wild......I just want you people to be aware as many of you already are...it is truley sad to what this world has become.
<< <i>OT: I was taken a month and a half back by an ebay powerseller...for quite a bit...I guess it was a lesson learned....I payed him the money and also returned the coin set...now I am out the money and the set, as he told Paypal he never received it...but someone at his mailbox received it...he told them that I did not put the coins back in the box, which was a lie...it has become to dishonest for me to partake in such practices of dishonesty...I wish there was a government agency to patrol and keep it honest but as it stands it is Fraud run wild......I just want you people to be aware as many of you already are...it is truley sad to what this world has become.
I am happy to report this situation has been peacefully resolved, and dlimb2 has received her refund.
I've edited out my posts because I feel there would be no point in going over this continuously. The main thing is the refund was made, and I believe this was a learning experience for dlimb2.
I don't regret posting this, and I feel that in a lot of ways this thread did get things rolling to a final conclusion where everyone is happy. I am through on the subject.
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<< <i>Hey Jeremy - here is a news flash for you. I know exactly what context it was meant in when he said it. The words still apply here. Please, don't try to give history lessons to someone who is more than twice your age. >>
1. Seems to me that Jeremy got it correct and you're taking issue with his using the quote in its proper context and you want to misapply the use of wise old Ben's words. If anyone's out of order it's you, not Jeremy. The fact that you're twice as old as Jeremy, certainly does not equate with twice as wise. It looks like although Jeremy may be half as old, he's the one that's twice as wise.
2. Your initial thread is non-sensical - what's your gripe and who's it with? If its personal, use the PM button and don't air your personal issues on this forum, it's inappropriate.
<< <i>I want to see if he has the guts to admit to doing this, or if he is just going to remain a snake. >>
Doing what? What has whoever ythis person done? Be specific so we can determine what your "rant" is about?
Lets analyze it:
<< <i>I was just told >>
Well right from thr git go yourrelying on what someone else told you and if what you were told is inaccurate and slanted, then the inofrmation you're relying on could be an untruth, or only partially true or true with a lot of important facts left out.
<< <i>a certain regular poster here who is a seller decided to email a less than honest seller >>
That's interesting - already you've determine who's honest and who's not and you only heard one side of the story. How did you determine the other side of this tale ESP? The delphic orcle? a weege board?
<< <i>about a problem that was posted here. >>
Lots of "problems" get posted here - want to be a bit more specific?
<< <i>I know for a fact that this seller is not the most honest in his dealings >>
So therefore what ever you tell us is absolutely true based on your interpretation of what your heard about this one-sided version of this problem?
<< <i>naturally he told the busybody a bunch of BS about how he did nothing wrong. >>
Lets see you're now being told be someone what someone else told somebody else and from all that you've made a detemination as to an "absolute truth" between the parties to the problem that you heard about from someone else?
As someone has already said: Is this post necessary?
“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain
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I'm confused. Did Ben Franklin sell a coin to Jeremy?
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What's the problem?
Yes, but Jeremy refused to pay for it. Told Ben to go fly a kite.
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<< <i>why would one dealer be negotiating a problem transaction between another dealer and a buyer? >>
busybody syndrome?
needs a purpose in life?
needs a life?
Good luck and Good nite.
you mean well I'm sure for whatever reasons you got involved in this whole mess - however I definently take issue with you putting down Jeremy who is a High School student indeed, and yes a rather fine young man with a super future. Your tacky post in response to his - does not say much for someone indeed double his age, and in all honesty should probably apoligize to him.
He's just a kid - why don't you find another 16 year old that puts his free time into collecting coins and money earmarked to charity?
Marc
Dog - That's the entire misunderstanding. SLQ never said the package was empty. He refused delivery because he believed that the buyer had no right to return the coins. The package is still sitting unopened at SLQ's post office. It's a shame that everyone's so busy crying foul that they can't hear what the other guy's saying. Anyway, SLQ has agreed to give the refund just to make this go away.
Now, is there some other mess for me to stick my nose in? It's too early to go to bed and I don't want to have to resort to sample slab bashing quite yet...
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Trying to help? Nah, can't be.
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Oh, a new version of the truth.
This is just getting good.
<<<dlimb2 Saturday February 28, 2004 9:23 PM
...now I am out the money and the set, as he told Paypal he never received it...but someone at his mailbox received it...he told them that I did not put the coins back in the box>>>
Then MrEureka said:
<<<MrEureka Wednesday March 03, 2004 7:23 PM
And third, he offered a full refund in exchange for an apology.>>>
I'm kinda confused here; Why would slqmaven offer a refund on $270 worth of coins that he didn't get back?
Coin dealers don't do that, especially when the buyer will get insurance $$ from the PO. So slqmaven did get the coins back? Why did he say he didn't?
<< <i>Marc, an apology won't be coming.
I've spoken with Jeremy many times, and don't really have a problem with him. However, when I made my initial post, I was not in the best of moods. Everybody has moods, and mine gets very sour when another collector is taken advantage of. Did I snap back? Probably, but I still take offense when somebody makes a comment about my knowledge of US History, considering my background in the field.
Now I am not going to comment on the Jeremy business again, I am busy trying to help someone work out a problem. >>
Regardless of what you know about history, Jeremy's interpretation of Franklin's quote is correct, not yours. Being wrong doesn't give you the luxury of taking offence.
<< <i>He refused delivery because he believed that the buyer had no right to return the coins. >>
From what has been said, the buyer received garbage that bore no resemblance whatsoever to the image presented in the auction. It seems to me that, if that is the case, the buyer had every right to return the coins.
In addition, the buyer has stated that she's received the green signature card back. Was it signed? If so, the package was not refused. Who is lying here?
Russ, NCNE
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<<<Dog - That's the entire misunderstanding. SLQ never said the package was empty. He refused delivery because he believed that the buyer had no right to return the coins. The package is still sitting unopened at SLQ's post office. It's a shame that everyone's so busy crying foul that they can't hear what the other guy's saying. Anyway, SLQ has agreed to give the refund just to make this go away.>>>
So slq got the coins back and is giving dlimb2 a refund.
What's the problem? He just hasn't done it yet?
OK.
Russ - These were modern commems in US Mint packaging. How bad could they have been?
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<< <i>Russ - These were modern commems in US Mint packaging. How bad could they have been? >>
Packaging that is easily opened and closed.
Russ, NCNE
A man's feedback profile says a lot about how he does business and treats his clients or those from whom he purchases. Having said that, I'd not touch a siqmaven auction with a 10 foot pole.
GSAGUY
Russ - The worst known examples are 68's. They would scan as well as 70's. The coins HAD TO look as good as the auction image.
How do I know that Braddick is about to jump into the fray and prove me wrong?
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and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
<< <i>HMM...I had a different tattletale in mind. >>
-me too
<< <i>I don't have a dog in this fight, nor have I read all the posts to this thread, but I can say this:
A man's feedback profile says a lot about how he does business and treats his clients or those from whom he purchases. Having said that, I'd not touch a siqmaven auction with a 10 foot pole.
GSAGUY >>
I don't have a dog in this fight either and I have read all of the threads, and I will have to gree with GSAGUY on this one...... Someone with a feedback history of 1 out of 100 feedbacks being negative is absolutely not good feedback history and that would include all of the newbie bidders that don't receive their coin/item the day after the auction.
<< <i>He refused delivery because he believed that the buyer had no right to return the coins. >>
If the buyer does indeed have the signature card - post it.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>OOPS!!!! Now where did that go
vast left wing conspiracy??
That sure looks like something was received by somebody.
Russ, NCNE
I'd like to stick around and discuss this, but I believe my presence is requested on the Darkside...
Seriously, I'd bet that the coins are still at the post office. But it does go to show you why Denise was nervous.
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Problem has been Resolved.
<< <i>OT: I was taken a month and a half back by an ebay powerseller...for quite a bit...I guess it was a lesson learned....I payed him the money and also returned the coin set...now I am out the money and the set, as he told Paypal he never received it...but someone at his mailbox received it...he told them that I did not put the coins back in the box, which was a lie...it has become to dishonest for me to partake in such practices of dishonesty...I wish there was a government agency to patrol and keep it honest but as it stands it is Fraud run wild......I just want you people to be aware as many of you already are...it is truley sad to what this world has become.
Problem has been Resolved. >>
How?
How?
Two obvious choices:
1. Legs have been broken.
2. Money has been returned.
Somebody start a poll!
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I've edited out my posts because I feel there would be no point in going over this continuously. The main thing is the refund was made, and I believe this was a learning experience for dlimb2.
I don't regret posting this, and I feel that in a lot of ways this thread did get things rolling to a final conclusion where everyone is happy. I am through on the subject.
<< <i>dlimb2 has received her >>
dlimb is a kitty???????????????
and I've been flirting with her via pm's???
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
It's OK Lucy. This is the 21st Century!
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<< <i>Now you know why I didn't flert back.... >>
Russ never responds either, is He a Kitty also????
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
Hey, we made a hundred posts!