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There's A Sucker Born Every Minute And They All Find Their Way To EBAY!!

RCDBRCDB Posts: 388
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Look at auction 2226647538. Someone help me with a link , please.
I work way too hard for my money to waste it on something that I know nothing about. What kind of fool flushes $300 down the toilet bowl on this crap?image

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  • hookedoncoinshookedoncoins Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭
    Link
  • edsondledsondl Posts: 385
    Auction link
  • kamehameha00kamehameha00 Posts: 2,077
    The so called 'sucker' who is running this auction is not really a 'sucker'.It is a person who enjoys ripping people off just so that person can get rich quick.And the 'fool' who bought this was not a 'fool', but an uneducated person in the field of numismatics.Stuff like this are part of the reason I joined this forum, to know if somebody is trying to rip me off or if I find a scam and want to bring it to the attention of other people.This is why more people should join this forum instead of being vulnerable to a scam such as this.

    kamehameha00
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,780 ✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a repro.
    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • merz2merz2 Posts: 2,474 ✭
    What really gets me is the truely nice professionally graded material doesn't get those kind of bidders.
    Don
    Registry 1909-1958 Proof Lincolns
  • kamehameha00kamehameha00 Posts: 2,077
    I looked at his other auctions and noticed he is a big saler of raw coins and has a ACG 'certified' coin, which is one other reason to avoid him.I then looked at his feedback, and on the second page of it, with viewing 200 a page, I noticed a person with the name of coinvault7 bought from him, perhaps where they get their MS65 ULTRA BRILLIANT WONDERS?I for one am suprised that eBay has not yet shut him down after 6 years of him scamming other people.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,944 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What really amazes me is that so much of this junk can be made and sold.

    This month's edition of the American Heritage magazine has copy of an "Proof" 1854-S double eagle for "only" 19.95 plus shipping. It is just a base metal piece of garbage with gold plating. It amazes me that a magazine like American Heritage which has an higher than average edcucated readership would be the place to sell junk that this, but it is.

    Very soon you will be able to buy your very own copy of this 1854-S double eagle on Ebay, AND this time it will be REAL! imageimage
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • rottnrogrottnrog Posts: 683 ✭✭✭
    You'll notice he doesn't have a scan of the reverse where it probably says copy!!
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I garauntee you the reverse says "COPY". I looked into his feedback and this is one of the negatives..."VERY UNHAPPY NOT A REAL COIN "COPY " NOT ADVERTIZED AS COPY NOT A PROOF".
  • kamehameha00kamehameha00 Posts: 2,077
    Somebody here should ask him for a picture of the reverse and see what happens.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    There's something very strange about this auction. This particular ripoff artist isn't even a Power Screwer!

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Yeah well the seller might be a scammer but the responsibility also lies with the foolish bidders that think they are getting something for nothing.
    A Proof Morg for $300? Especially one with a mintage of exactly 0.
    These bidders are buying copies of coins that don't even exist. WAKE UP!!!
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    I had to e-mail phillyproud, the high bidder, I was so pi$$ed off! Hope he has the time to cancel his bid-certainly hope he doesn't send any money.image
    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics
    is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,944 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That’s a good question, dog, where does buyer responsibility begin? If an intelligent person reads copy that compares a $19.95 piece of garbage to a coin that sold for $7 million, where do they think relevancy begins?

    There used to be a legal term, “contributory negligence,” which placed some responsibility with those who were “wronged.” Would a prudent person really think they were getting a $7 million item or anything close to it for 20 bucks?

    But hey paying $300+ for piece of trash that worth $10 with a tail wind is great way to become and “instant victim.” Victimization seems to be a very stylish status these days in America.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • TheopTheop Posts: 515
    Would it be ethical to contact the high bidder to warn him/her of the likelyhood that this is a copy?
    Would it ethical NOT to contact him?

    What do you think about this?
    Dave - Durham, NC
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    <<<That’s a good question, dog, where does buyer responsibility begin?>>>
    To me that's an easy ? Bill. Whether it's coins, stamps, guns or any other collectable one should do @ least a little homework or reading on the subject before going & spending one's hard earned $$.
    After all like I said, there is no excuse for somebody to buy something that doesn't really exist. All the buyers had to do was look at some kind of price guide to see how much a 89 CC Proof is worth, I mean how else would they estimate it's value to buy it if they knew nothing at all about Morgans, and they would have seen there aint no such animal.
    That doesn't mean I condone or say it's ok for a dealer to rip people off either, which is what this dealer, seller, scammer or whatever the L you want to call him is doing.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • RGLRGL Posts: 3,784 ✭
    I contacted the bidder as well the instant I saw the coin and the price ... what a rip. And, he sures sells a lot of coins to profess ignorance on this POS:

    Is it real? I don't know...
    The Ludlow Collection (DCAM/CAM)
    The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Would it be ethical to contact the high bidder to warn him/her of the likelyhood that this is a copy? >>



    It's auction interference and grounds to be NARU'd.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • RGLRGL Posts: 3,784 ✭
    Let's turn the SOB in: http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp
    The Ludlow Collection (DCAM/CAM)
    The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)

    image
  • RGLRGL Posts: 3,784 ✭
    Let 'em cancel my butt ... I can always get another account or use my wife's. eBay needs to crack down on fraud like this. They need to go after the seller, not those trying to help some newbie from getting fleeced.
    The Ludlow Collection (DCAM/CAM)
    The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)

    image
  • doopdoop Posts: 357


    << <i>Looks like a repro. >>


    to say the least. those can be bought off the secondary wholesale market for peanuts.
    seems like the last 100 pc group i saw on coin net was like $15 ea.
  • RGLRGL Posts: 3,784 ✭
    $330 ... Before it closed, I asked the seller for a pix of reverse, saying it was a copy and he surely wasn't selling it without disclosing that info, was he?
    The Ludlow Collection (DCAM/CAM)
    The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)

    image
  • RCDBRCDB Posts: 388
    Hey, the high bidder got sniped. Way to go Foxylady. image

    Well, she does have a cheek as smooth as a baby's butt.

    Forget about investing in gold. Does anyone know where I can get some base metal? I mean, it's going for $330 an ounceimage
  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    What's With Capitalizing Every Word In His Description? Didn't He Go To Skewl?
    C. D. Daughtrey, NLG
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    http://www.lincolncent.com

    My numismatic art work:
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Interesting. The high bidder for the bogus Morgan just went over and picked off the "Trade Dollar" that Randy linked.

    Russ, NCNE



    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    And, she just grabbed this likely fake Seated Dollar.

    I think this seller isn't the only one motivated by greed.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    Oh no, not this crap again. This is one of those silver plated reproduction proofs.

    Probably like $9.99 new...limit five to a customer, please.
  • RCDBRCDB Posts: 388
    I just looked at Foxxylady's feedback and I'm not so sure she got screwed! I think she got something else. Take a close look you will see whay I mean.image
  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭


    << <i>I just looked at Foxxylady's feedback and I'm not so sure she got screwed? I think she got something else. Take a look you will see whay I mean.image >>




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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, she's a shill. The Seated Dollar and the Trade Dollar have already been relisted.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • doopdoop Posts: 357


    << <i>Yeah, she's a shill. The Seated Dollar has already been relisted.

    Russ, NCNE >>


    you mean the seated half $ ?
  • RGLRGL Posts: 3,784 ✭
    Russ: You are overly suspicious ... he could just have multiple fakes to sell...
    The Ludlow Collection (DCAM/CAM)
    The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)

    image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>you mean the seated half $ ? >>



    No.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You are overly suspicious ... he could just have multiple fakes to sell... >>



    Good point.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • RCDBRCDB Posts: 388
    Russ, he probably has a ton of them. Let's see if the Morgan gets relisted. After all, this was the LAST
    ONE.imageimage
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,944 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yeah, she's a shill. The Seated Dollar and the Trade Dollar have already been relisted.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Why in hell would a crook have a shill buyer buy in the auction on a piece of crap like this? Is he trying to set an all-time record selling price for disgusting bogus replicas? So $330 is not good enough for this seller. What a PIG! image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • baccarudabaccaruda Posts: 2,588 ✭✭
    The overwhelming success of this coin has finally brought us to this last 1 remaining piece.

    Ah, what luck in finding more of these "pieces". Something tells me this seller is going to find a way to keep the supply wagon rolling as far as these babies go.
    1 Tassa-slap
    2 Cam-Slams!
    1 Russ POTD!
  • MSD61MSD61 Posts: 3,382 ✭
    What gets me is this foxxylady was bidding on one of my auctions. She was bidding on a Proof 1962 Frankie I had up. A real nice raw proof with FBL and not a hairline no place and she didn't win nor put up a fight for it. I guess she didn't want to pay what the high bidder had. Yet, instead she shells out $330 smackers for a copy coin. You and I both know that it's a copy hands down. If CC proof Morgans were going at $300 a pop I'd be in line to buy a few! This is not a sucker, this is just really stupid person!image
    Omnicoin
  • RCDBRCDB Posts: 388
    I promised myself that I would not go hunting on EBAY tonight, so I had to keep busy. I checked out what the Foxxylady has been buying and what I see is terrible. She has made 172 purchases in the last 30 days, mostly coins. The sad thing is she is just buying recklessly. There is no plan at all, no pattern to speak of. I'm telling you, if the Grand Kids don't discover this and put a stop to it, she's going to blow their inheritance in about 6 months. image
  • TayTayTayTay Posts: 465 ✭✭
    I would say a very tidy profit indeed
    "What are you putting that tape on your nose for?"
    "Exactly."

  • TayTayTayTay Posts: 465 ✭✭
    ttt (since I posted in the middle of the night) for those who would like to see how much this person bought this "coin" for (see my previous post)
    "What are you putting that tape on your nose for?"
    "Exactly."

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,944 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep. If one wanted one of these silly replicas for some reason, $5 is about all it's worth.

    What gets me is that the jerks who strike this stuff don't even sell you a silver piece. At $19.95* plus and inflated shipping charge, they could sell you a silver round. But no, all you get is crummy piece metal with a silver plating.

    *The B.S. copy reads that they are going to sell these for $50 or some bogus, but that now they are selling them $19.95 as "pre issue" price. What a load of crap!
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    This was the result of an e-mail I sent the high bidder (at that time) warning him off the coin he was bidding on.

    <Yogee1946@aol.com>
    Sent : Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:45 AM
    To : laurentyvan@hotmail.com
    Subject : Re: Question from eBay Member



    thanks for the warning..I feel real stupid about this coin, I should have seen through this guy, good thing is, I was outbid, ugh..thanks again for your consideration to me, carl
    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics
    is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
  • rottnrogrottnrog Posts: 683 ✭✭✭



    I emailed the winning bidder and she just emailed back that the seller is not making her go thru with the deal. image




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