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NCS and NGC Given Exclusive Contract to Conserve & Grade the SS Republic Coins

That's a shame IMO, I've previously seen some early gold coins that were 'conserved' by NCS, and they looked horribly bright and unnatural IMO.

News story:

Top Numismatic Companies to Conserve and Grade SS Republic Coins
Monday December 22, 9:03 am ET
Odyssey Awards Exclusive Contract to NGC and NCS


TAMPA, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 22, 2003--Tens of thousands of gold and silver United States coins are being recovered from the shipwreck of the SS Republic in what could prove to be the most valuable coin collection ever to come to market. Archaeological excavation of the Republic is currently being conducted by Odyssey Marine Exploration (AMEXimageMR - News) of Tampa, Florida. Numismatic Conservation Services (NCS) and Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC) have been awarded an exclusive contract to perform conservation, grading and encapsulation of these coins for the numismatic market.
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The SS Republic was a sidewheel steamship that foundered in a hurricane while enroute from New York to New Orleans in 1865. Reportedly carrying $400,000 in gold specie when she sank off the coast of Georgia to a depth of 1700 feet, Republic is being carefully excavated under the direction of Odyssey's project archaeologist, Neil Cunningham Dobson. The coins are receiving exceptionally gentle treatment, each piece being lifted from the sea bed with a specially designed, soft silicone limpet to preserve their delicate surfaces.

Among the coins already retrieved are numerous gold eagles, gold double eagles and silver half dollars, nearly all dating between the early 1850s and 1865. Unlike other recently salvaged shipwrecks, a wide variety of dates and mints have been noted in this find. Based on the pieces recovered thus far that have been professionally conserved by Numismatic Conservation Services (NCS) and graded and encapsulated by Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC), this collection may already include several finest-known examples of United States gold and silver coins from the period.

"NGC and NCS are extremely pleased and proud to have been chosen as the exclusive conservation and grading service by Odyssey Marine Exploration," stated NGC Chairman and CEO Mark Salzberg. "This find is a numismatic treasure of extreme historical importance. The SS Republic was bringing assistance and commerce to the war-torn South immediately following the Civil War. The cache of coins being retrieved from this site is already revealing classic rarities as well as condition-census or finest-known items. As the official conservation and grading services of the American Numismatic Association, we look forward to providing the finest services available not only to Odyssey Marine Exploration but to all collectors who will enjoy these treasures for generations to come."

NCS has already conserved a number of the coins from SS Republic, which has initially revealed a mix of dates and conditions. "This is truly a remarkable find. This collection of coins, after conservation, will offer something for everyone," says David Camire, NCS Director of Operations. "So far our conservation has revealed a mix of dates for both $10 and $20 gold pieces and Seated Halves. The variety and condition of the coins is astounding. We have already discovered what we believe to be a previously unknown misplaced date variety."

It's estimated that it may take several months to complete the recovery of SS Republic's numismatic treasure, with both NCS and NGC devoting their combined resources to the conservation and certification of these coins. From the beginning of the recovery expedition, National Geographic Television & Film has been documenting Odyssey's archaeological excavation of the SS Republic in association with JWM Productions, LLC. This footage is being prepared for broadcast on a special Dateline NBC and for "National Geographic Ultimate Explorer" on MSNBC in 2004, with additional coverage later in 2004 in a National Geographic Special on PBS.

Odyssey Marine Exploration, Inc. (AMEXimageMR - News) is a public company founded by deep-ocean shipwreck pioneers John Morris and Greg Stemm. The company specializes in shipwreck search, recovery and marketing on a worldwide basis, combining cutting-edge technology with extensive research and sound archaeological practices.

"After careful deliberation and due diligence, we are pleased to have chosen Numismatic Conservation Services (NCS) and Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC) as the exclusive conservation and grading services for this historic event," said John Morris, Odyssey co-founder and CEO. "The fact that these companies are the official services of the American Numismatic Association, coupled with their complete, hands-off, independent standing within the numismatic community, made this choice an easy one. We look forward to presenting these historic coins to the numismatic world in NGC and NCS packaging."

Odyssey's decision was based both on the status of NCS and NGC as the ANA's official conservation and grading services and the two companies' unique ability to handle the Republic coins from raw material to finished product. Only NCS and NGC have the skilled professionals already on staff to determine proper conservation techniques for revealing the beauty of these coins and stabilizing their surfaces for long-term preservation, as well as establish their correct condition grade for ultimate placement with collectors. NCS and NGC combined are a complete numismatic service organization: NCS is the only professional conservation service specializing in coins and other numismatic items, while NGC is the largest independent coin grading service in the world, having certified more than ten million collectable coins.

More detailed information about the discovery and salvage of SS Republic, as well as a number of photographs, may be found at Odyssey Marine Exploration's website, www.shipwreck.net. As the project develops, NCS will highlight some of the coins with before and after photographs on its own website, www.NCSCoin.com.


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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Who would you recommend?
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,355 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The cache of coins being retrieved from this site is already revealing classic rarities as well as condition-census or finest-known items.

    Classic rarities??? Could be interesting!
    Andy Lustig

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  • Has anyone seen any color photos of the coins yet? I know they said they were holding off on release of the coins till they were all brought up. The B&W photos I've seen do not tell the whole story. I am concerned about the intergranular corrosion that takes place in the copper areas. It's like an unseen worm tunneling around and you won't see it till the metal is dead.{no ring when tapped or spun on a metal surface. ie: Tapping a bronze prop with a light metal hammer. No ring, no stability in the alloy!}
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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    I hope they publish a photo book of all the coins in there. Or at least the good ones. I wonder what types of previously difficult silver coins will have added numbers? It sounds like a really cool find in that it has more than just gold but the variety of silver.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Every time I read one of these reports I shudder, despite that I have very few $20's and $10's pre-1865, and only one Philadelphia issue of each (an 1850 $20 AU-50 and an 1860 $10 XF-40). On one hand, I cannot wait to see what is in the hoard and on another, I fear it. (Knowledgeable gold dealers and collectors have counseled me that I should have no fear!)

    I am disappointed that NGC got the nod for grading, though. My perception is that NGC is about a half a point more lenient than PCGS, and I would have liked the coins to pass through the slightly more rigorous grading service.

  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭
    Good for Rick Montgomery and NGC!image


  • << <i>I am disappointed that NGC got the nod for grading, though >>



    RYK:

    I think NGC and NCS got the nod for grading/conserving since NGC/NCS can do everything in house. If PCGS offered a conservation service in house I am sure there would have been at least a choice.

    Hopefully PCGS will offer a conservation service in the future. I personally believe it woould be a good move on PCGS' part.
  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,549 ✭✭✭
    It would be neat if they document the whole process from recovery through conservation. For some of the coins anyway.
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  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,988 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of the risks in collecting 19th century coinage, especially gold. I doubt there is a sunken ship from the 1940's or 1950's that went down with a cargo load full of Bank Wrapped Lincoln cent and Jefferson Nickel rolls

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  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>One of the risks in collecting 19th century coinage, especially gold. I doubt there is a sunken ship from the 1940's or 1950's that went down with a cargo load full of Bank Wrapped Lincoln cent and Jefferson Nickel rolls >>



    What does this have to do with NCS and NGC given exclusive contract for these coins? I have seen hundreds of OBW rolls of cents and nickels from the 40's and 50's. I guess that gives me insight into ship wrecks and the coins on them.
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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought they said that many/most of the coins were unharmed... are they conserving all, or just some?
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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I thought they said that many/most of the coins were unharmed... are they conserving all, or just some? >>


    Yeah right. We all know how inert salt water is on metal.
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    True, in this context unharmed may just mean not specifically damaged.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    i happen to think that non-commercial conservation is a good thing, but i doubt the collectors interests are at the heart of this situation. i suspect profits are involved.....

    K S
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,316 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I thought they said that many/most of the coins were unharmed... are they conserving all, or just some? >>


    Yeah right. We all know how inert salt water is on metal. >>

    I realize that's the probable case... I thought someone once said that gold doesn't react too much, which explained my previous thought image
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,355 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We all know how inert salt water is on metal.

    The world is full of surprises. image
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    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,355 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i suspect profits are involved

    DorkKarlMarx - Oh my, what has this hobby come to? People actually try to make money on coins? Just dreadful!
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • << <i>Tens of thousands of gold and silver United States coins are being recovered from the shipwreck of the SS Republic >>


    Last figure I heard was that so far they found about 1,700 pieces. Someone slip an extra zero in?



    << <i><< I thought they said that many/most of the coins were unharmed... are they conserving all, or just some? >>

    Yeah right. We all know how inert salt water is on metal. >>


    In deep water the temperature goes way down and that can greatly slow the reactions. Remember most of the corroded silver coins seen from ships like the Atocha and such have been recovered from relatively warm waters and depths of around 30 to 60 feet. So it MIGHT be possible that the silver is in good shape. But I'd want to see it in person. Preferably some before and after pieces.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,575 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another concern is how long the “curation” lasts. I’ve seen some SS Central America coins that have started to get a film on them and change color after a few months to a year. Others did not seem to change.

    I don’t want to throw a huge monkey wrench into the sale of sea salvaged coins, but bear in mind, that some of them seem to be like normal coins that have been dipped. Sometimes they do change over time. That’s why I like to see some coins in “vintage holders.” It’s one important clue that the coins are pretty stable.
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  • PCGS lost out this time.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • Some cool new news tidbits
    "The variety and condition of the coins is astounding. We have already discovered what we believe to be a previously unknown misplaced date variety.”

    PCGS would not have recognized this "new" variety it would have been a "mint error"
  • LAWMANLAWMAN Posts: 1,274 ✭✭
    Isn't Dwight Manley's outfit handling those?
    DSW
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i suspect profits are involved .... DorkKarlMarx - Oh my, what has this hobby come to? People actually try to make money on coins? Just dreadful! >>

    mr-eureka, it was tongue-in-cheek. where's your sense of humor???

    K S

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