I bought coins from them back in the early 90's, all Civil War era USA coinage that was alleged to be BU, but in fact was EF(wiped) or AU. I returned them right away and got a prompt refund. At least they were good on the refund process, kind of like they were used to it. I would not recommend buying from them if you expect superior materiel though.
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Ya know... I'm happy for you, Realone... that you got a nice coin from CtoC... and that you FINALLY got it in a slab with an assigned grade...
Yet this story just adds on to the "way-to-long" pile of such stories... it totally adds to my distrust in TPG grading. Which submission am I to have "faith" or "trust" in? Seriously...all kool-aid put aside...
Were the first 5 submissions "correct"? Or did they make mistakes on all 5 of those submissions? Or were they correct those 5 times and our hosts simply "let one slip past them" on the last submission?
Or is it possible for a coin to have altered surfaces AND get graded? (Judging from some coins I have seen, I suppose this might be true )
While I am pleased for you, Realone... the story just further discourages me from further submissions to any grading service... and forces me to ignore all holders and all labels... it is all about the coins...
Note to self... I collect coins... I do not collect plastic or labels... lather, rinse, repeat ...
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
<< <i>Note to self... I collect coins... I do not collect plastic or labels... lather, rinse, repeat ... >>
I don't put that much stock in the grades on the holders. But some people do, and for me it's more about professional authentication than grade most of the time -- something that is becoming more and more important across the board, not just for key dates and rarities any more.
<< <i>Note to self... I collect coins... I do not collect plastic or labels... lather, rinse, repeat ... >>
I don't put that much stock in the grades on the holders. But some people do, and for me it's more about professional authentication than grade most of the time -- something that is becoming more and more important across the board, not just for key dates and rarities any more. >>
You know, considering we've seen plenty of stories from collectors that sent in coins multiple times and got multiple opinions...it makes me wonder if PCGS is ever wrong on authenticity.
I know there are different factors involved in the authentication process VS. whether or not a coin grades or has altered surfaces, but still...if you can send it in 5 times and possibly get 5 different opinions, why not a counterfeit slipping through the cracks every so often?
Now I'm not accusing our gracious host here of any wrongdoing, just pondering a question.
My guess, and I would bet PCGS's answer as well, would be that if there's ever any question or doubt when it comes to authenticity, it gets bagged or is reviewed by several other experts first.
<< <i>The first, and LAST, coin I purchased from him was a "Brilliant Uncirculated" $10 Gold Indian that was not only neither of those descriptors, but also a fake.
Fortunately, I got a kranky (obviously, overworked return-oriented person) on the phone that did refund my money.
Lesson learned.
Miles >>
Gee. I wonder what they did with that fake coin?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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Yet this story just adds on to the "way-to-long" pile of such stories... it totally adds to my distrust in TPG grading. Which submission am I to have "faith" or "trust" in? Seriously...all kool-aid put aside...
Were the first 5 submissions "correct"? Or did they make mistakes on all 5 of those submissions? Or were they correct those 5 times and our hosts simply "let one slip past them" on the last submission?
Or is it possible for a coin to have altered surfaces AND get graded? (Judging from some coins I have seen, I suppose this might be true
While I am pleased for you, Realone... the story just further discourages me from further submissions to any grading service... and forces me to ignore all holders and all labels... it is all about the coins...
Note to self... I collect coins... I do not collect plastic or labels... lather, rinse, repeat ...
<< <i>Note to self... I collect coins... I do not collect plastic or labels... lather, rinse, repeat ... >>
I don't put that much stock in the grades on the holders. But some people do, and for me it's more about professional authentication than grade most of the time -- something that is becoming more and more important across the board, not just for key dates and rarities any more.
Meaning didn't this happen before?
Is this the second time or a rehash from before?
What ever he is doing, he is making more money than I am!
So who is better off? $$$$$$$$
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<< <i>Note to self... I collect coins... I do not collect plastic or labels... lather, rinse, repeat ... >>
I don't put that much stock in the grades on the holders. But some people do, and for me it's more about professional authentication than grade most of the time -- something that is becoming more and more important across the board, not just for key dates and rarities any more. >>
You know, considering we've seen plenty of stories from collectors that sent in coins multiple times and got multiple opinions...it makes me wonder if PCGS is ever wrong on authenticity.
I know there are different factors involved in the authentication process VS. whether or not a coin grades or has altered surfaces, but still...if you can send it in 5 times and possibly get 5 different opinions, why not a counterfeit slipping through the cracks every so often?
Now I'm not accusing our gracious host here of any wrongdoing, just pondering a question.
My guess, and I would bet PCGS's answer as well, would be that if there's ever any question or doubt when it comes to authenticity, it gets bagged or is reviewed by several other experts first.
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<< <i>I guess being expelled from the ANA does not get you expelled from Coin World. 4 full pages in the lastest issue!
That's why I didn't renew my Coin World subscription.
Good selection and good prices.
That is all.
hi, i'm tom.
i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.
<< <i>The first, and LAST, coin I purchased from him was a "Brilliant Uncirculated" $10 Gold Indian that was not only neither of those descriptors, but also a fake.
Fortunately, I got a kranky (obviously, overworked return-oriented person) on the phone that did refund my money.
Lesson learned.
Miles >>
Gee. I wonder what they did with that fake coin?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire