help grade this IHC, I am thinking of buying it tonight

Geoman · October 30, 2003 11:03AM

Don't know much about IHC. But like the looks of this one. And it seems to be going for a reasonable price so far. What you would grade it? What would you pay for it?

Geoman · October 30, 2003 11:13AM

anyone?

auction ends shortly...

Placid · October 30, 2003 11:13AM

About 63rb probably maybe 64rb but raw I would pay for 63rb. $40.

Baley · October 30, 2003 11:45AM

nice looking coin.

originalisbest · October 30, 2003 12:04PM

Honestly? Avoid this dipped POC and wait for a better one to come along.

bennybravo · October 30, 2003 12:11PM

It does have an odd color.

291fifth · October 30, 2003 12:16PM

Pass. Looks cleaned.

Geoman · October 30, 2003 12:19PM

Thanks everyone. I passed on it. I really need to learn IHC before I start buying them.

By the way, it sold for $82, plus $5 shipping.

291fifth · October 30, 2003 12:29PM

<< <i>Thanks everyone. I passed on it. I really need to learn IHC before I start buying them.

By the way, it sold for $82, plus $5 shipping. >>

Forget about buying raw. Buy slabbed only. Cleaned and recolored Indians are abundant and deceptive.

originalisbest · October 31, 2003 12:51AM

Glad you passed on it - there are better ones to be had. When just starting with Indians, stick with slabbed (NGC-PCGS) ones to start - but then, take it a step further and use your gut reaction to the coin to decide if you really want it/like its appearance. The slabs are not a guarantee against ugly coins period - but you are much better off (usually) by sticking with the respected slabs as an "initial screening" process.

EvilMCT · October 31, 2003 1:12AM

Everyone's quick to point and yell "cleaned". How can you tell, what specifically tells you from the photo provided that it's cleaned? I know the history of IHC's being dipped in the 60-70's era, but I need to know what to look for. For different series, I can generally make a determination. This coin looks o.k. to me from the pics provided. Anyone care to explain?

Ken

originalisbest · October 31, 2003 1:24AM

Easy. The color sucks - REALLY sucks - and once you've looked at enough "good" red copper to have an understanding of the look, it stands out like an ugly highbeam. It is pale orange, mottled and far too lightened.

I'm going to try and attach an example of a raw Indian I picked up a little while ago - it's RB but it illustrates well the proper shade of an unc Indian.

EvilMCT · October 31, 2003 1:40AM

Thanks. I thought that the color seemed off. But w/o something to compare it to, it's kind of hard to be sure. I guess my big problem was that this thread is typical of most here. Someone has a "what do you think" post and everyone jumps in w/AT, cleaned, whizzed, etc w/o an explanation. I'm not an IHC expert, so I appreciate the info so that I'll know what to look for.

Ken

bigtonydallas · October 31, 2003 2:04AM

A lot of times it may just take getting burned a few times. I would not go out and but an 1877, 1909-S or other keys but start with the 1900's. Another way is to go to coin shows and look at a lot of coins.

originalisbest · October 31, 2003 2:18AM

That's unfortunate but true - getting burned once or twice has a tendency to burn into your memory what to avoid!

IrishMike · October 31, 2003 3:32AM

I can't be for sure if it has been cleaned, it does appear to be. If this seller advertises his coins as "collector coins" and is from the Boston area I would avoid there coins. They sell on both ebay and yahoo. I purchased what looked like a beautiful bust half from them on yahoo. It showed up looking completely different from the picture and was whizzed. They took it back according to their refund policy and I lost nothing buy insured postage. They sell a lot of unslabbed IHC's for way to high prices because of their hype and pictures.

I haven't bought an IHC from them but all their coins are photographed with a green background and adverstised as collector coins. I honestly believe that most of their buyers wouldn't know the difference between a messed with cent and one that has not been.

Elcontador · October 31, 2003 4:00AM

To "pile on," unfortunately, many Unc., usually common dates, IHCs have been ruined by people who cleaned / whizzed them. Also, it is difficult to get good images of copper coins; especially RD ones.

A cleaned RD IHC will typically have a dull, pinkish hue to it. This is easier to spot in person, because not only does the color not look right, but the coin is 'dead,' ie., though it has Unc. details, it has little, if any cartwheel luster.

There is a usually a good reason why what otherwise may be an expensive coin is raw.

Another thing, know your color designations well before buying a RD one. The price jump, in say, MS 65 between RB & RD is huge

help grade this IHC, I am thinking of buying it tonight

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