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Jerkoff dealer..... I'm really pissed..... (long)

PeacemanPeaceman Posts: 5,098
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I asked nicely that forum members keep to themselves about the dealer involved. My post was to "vent", not linch a company no matter what their past is.
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    I wonder who it is?
    I wouldn't want to have that happen to me image
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    If you won't mention who the lowlife is that acted this way over the phone with your wife, why mention it at all?
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
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  • ClausUrchClausUrch Posts: 1,278 ✭
    Come'on...details!!!!image My "Dirty Laundry" thread is getting old!image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Was it Pinnacle? Legend? Heritage? Come on, we gotta know! image
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    That is why I will not give want lists to dealers. There is no obligations!

    My local dealer asks me every time I'm in there for a want list. I don't "want" to be obligated!

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  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd mention his name if I were you for a couple of reasons:

    1. It helps the many collectors here avoid the dealer.
    2. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

    I advise this course of action even though I am really torn by this. However, I think that no legitimate dealer should be using that kind of language to a retail customer simply because the customer wanted to return the coins. Even if you used aggressive language on him first -- which I assume you did not -- that would still not excuse the dealer. The dealer should never act unprofessionally.

    Assume worse case that you wronged him. Then, he just accept the coins back and sell them to someone else. If he's trying to dump slop on you, then shame on him. If he bought right, then he can just stuff the coins in his inventory and sell them to another retail customer. Still, he should swallow the lost deal as a normal part of dealing with the retail customer base.

    Assume that he wronged you. Then, you have some sort of moral obligation to warn others of this blight on our hobby. Doing so is not necessarily stooping to his level. It's only *how* you handle the issue that may or may not be inappropriate. But, I also advise you that you try to handle this going forward as dispassionately and forthrightly as possible.

    EVP

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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I do not like having dealers buy coins specifically for me as some will take advantage of you and hope you feel obligated to keep the coins no matter what they look like. How many others did he buy junk coins for and they kept them? If you can find a dealer that buy's the right coins for you I would stick with him! I hope you reveal who he is- the coins are a subjective matter but the rudeness to your wife is unforgivable. mike
  • bigindiebigindie Posts: 553


    << <i>If you won't mention who the lowlife is that acted this way over the phone with your wife, why mention it at all? >>



    What she said.
    Just My 2 Cents,
    Big Mike <><

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  • razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    Hey Peaceman..I DO KNEECAPS AT 50 BUCKS A CLIP..CHEAP HUH! Hell, throw me a slabbed Morgan you no longer wish to possess and I'll consider it PAID IN FULL...image
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  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMO, a customer should not feel obligated to buy coins on his want list. And, a dealer should not buy a coin specifically to target that customer -- not unless the customer and the dealer have a really good relationship.

    Frequently, I see dealers at shows buying coins specifically for a customer only *after* calling the customer -- we all have cell phones these days -- and getting the explicit go-ahead from the customer.

    IMO, if a dealer buys right and buys the cool coins, then he need not target specific customers.

    EVP

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>we all have cell phones these days >>



    Not all of us. Call me at work, or don't call me at all. Hell, I wouldn't even have a home phone if I didn't need it for the alarm company and the police department. image

    Russ, NCNE
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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EVP makes sense, as always.

    At the same, I would never have a dealer buy a lot of stuff for me site unseen unless I had worked with them before or had a very good idea about what was in their inventory and whether we had similar tastes or not.
    It's not that dealers acting as agents are trying to screw you, it's just that particular dealers and collectors may have widely varying standards of collectibility. Also, it could be that the dealer wasn't even making that much on the deal.

    I agree giving your wife a hard time is totally unacceptable. That alone is enough to scratch this guy off my "do not do business with under any circumstances" list.
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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭


    << <i>we all have cell phones these days >>



    I don't have one, I can't afford it.
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  • wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    The dealer appears to be uncivilized and may have been raised in the wilderness. He is of a species I am familiar with. -Ignoramus Maximus Numismaticus-.
  • PeacemanPeaceman Posts: 5,098
  • lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>we all have cell phones these days >>



    I don't have one, I can't afford it. >>



    Oh c'mon Lucy.......
    Sell off those old elvis records and old cars you got, and you can buy a cell phone COMPANY.

    Ray
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Peaceman,

    You may want to email him a link of this thread for his edification and reflection.

    EVP

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

    I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com

  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Well the thought of this person acting this way with your wife makes me boil! image

    If you post here, whomever you are, learn how to treat people, especially somebody's wife whom had nothing to do with the deal, you TOAD!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • ClausUrchClausUrch Posts: 1,278 ✭
    If it were my "Company", I would certainly want to know which of my salespeople needs to be called into my office for a good a$$chewing!image
  • stujoestujoe Posts: 1,510
    I am sorry to hear about that. It is the one reason I have never even tried a want list and I am glad to get an iput from someone who has had it happen. To me, it is a useful thread (besides the venting) even without naming the delaer.

    BTW: If you were to decide to name the delaer, I might not do it in a thread titled 'Jerkoff dealer..." image
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Was there a mistake and you received the wrong package? I know that sounds lame but if the dealer has seen the type of coins you like, then I just don't understand that there could be such a mistake.. BTW, the phone call to your wife is over the edge and that should end the business relationship.

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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    I still say.........

    POW!!! RIGHT IN THE FRANKIES!!!!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭


    << <i>The dealer appears to be uncivilized and may have been raised in the wilderness. He is of a species I am familiar with. -Ignoramus Maximus Numismaticus-. >>

    Brian
    I spend alot of time in the wilderness and I can assure you that this guy was not raised there. You will find that virtually everyone in the wilderness treats each other with great respect, are well mannered, and will lend a hand to each other without a request.

    This dealer was raised in a coin dealer den and his species is found at all coin shows and is also found in mass on eBay.
  • NewmismatistNewmismatist Posts: 1,802 ✭✭
    Giving a dealer your "wantlist" never obligates you to buy what he offers you on approval UNLESS there is a specific agreement in advance that you will buy it sight unseen at an agreed price.

    Obviously, your dealer friend doesn't seem to understand the nature of this business, & lit ooks like he just lost a customer.

    I would take a very educated guess that it's not Pinnacle, Legend or Heritage, all of whom will send coins to their custmers on approval, with a very fair return privilege - All good companies to deal with IMO.

    But, I agree,if you're going to bring this up, you might want to let the forum members know who not to do business with. I know after reading Claus' experience with the dealer who sold him the MS70 PCGS coin that suddenly has no return privilege, that I would not even consider biddin gonany item he has for sale.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Peaceman, one question and a few comments from me, for now:

    Question: Did the two of you ever sit down, face to face (reviewing some representative examples) and discuss what look of coin you wanted?

    Comments:

    Rarely, do we go out and buy a want list item specifically for a client, without KNOWING what he is looking for. Effective communication between the client and dealer is vital.

    If we have doubts, we will attempt to get the coin on consignment basis, so that we can allow the client to view it on a sight-seen basis. If that is not possible, we will call the client from a show, let him know about the coin's qualities, appearance, etc., and see if he wants to give the go-ahead.

    We do have a few clients who have instructed us along the lines of "if you see the coin and think it's ok, buy it for me".

    The large majority of our want lists are filled when we acquire coins that we would gladly buy, whether we had a want list on file or not, and, which we offer to want list clients after we acquire them.

    These practices usually make for happy clients who do not end up with coins they didn't want and who don't end up paying extra for a coin, merely because it happened to have been on a want list.

    Obviously, regardless of what went wrong between you and the dealer, his behavior on the phone was unacceptable, to say the least. Sorry to hear that.
  • LegendLegend Posts: 335 ✭
    "Was it Pinnacle? Legend? Heritage? Come on, we gotta know"

    I can promise you it wasn't Legend. I just get cranky, not stupid! So does that mean its one of the other two then that Mr. Eureka mentioned???image

    I never have understood why some dealers have to try and take advantage of people who come to them to do business.
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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Keep the phone away from that LegendSteve character! image


    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
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    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • BikingnutBikingnut Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like the rude dealer I ran into at the Long Beach show last March. When I tried to negotiate a price he rudely interupted a stated "There's no negotiating at this table. I gave you the price and thats what it is!" I promptly moved on.
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  • PeacemanPeaceman Posts: 5,098
  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    Sounds like the guy is a jerk. Don't do business with him. So what is the issue here?

    CG
  • TypetoneTypetone Posts: 1,621 ✭✭
    I only give want lists to dealers I really trust and who know my tastes like Pinnacle, Legend, or Whitlow. These firms will never buy a coin for me, that they would not want in their own inventory. I always have a return priviledge, even if the coin was purchased for me. 90% of the time I take the coin. And, I would stop doing business with any dealer who was stupid enough to even consider calling my wife to discuss a coinimage.

    Greg
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>And, I would stop doing business with any dealer who was stupid enough to even consider calling my wife to discuss a coin >>

    Greg, I am very sorry to hear that - your wife and I have had some great discussions about coins.imageimage In fact, she's been buying much nicer coins from us than you have. image
  • barberloverbarberlover Posts: 2,228 ✭✭
    I can see it now, Lucy & Laura beat the BLEEP CENSORED BLEEP CENSORED and Lucy ends it with a swift kick to the frankies!!!imageimage

    Les

    [p.s.]

    PM me so I never buy from this person
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  • gsaguygsaguy Posts: 2,425 ✭
    Yikes, I thought I had been busted again.image

    Seriously, I'd both post his name and send him a link so he can defend himself....if he can and cares to do so.

    The problem with not mentioning his name is that some forum members will assume it's a certain individual and may be making a bad assumption.

    Just my 2 cents.

    GSAGUY
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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Yeah GSAGUY, Now your stalking peoples wives on the phone......

    Whats wrong with you!????
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • ohbabyohbaby Posts: 768
    Comeon, name some names. I have a unruly crowd here with pitchforks and torches wanting explanations!

    Let's bring the other party onto the forum for his side of the story. Only fair thing to do. Maybe you got the wrong package? A peace dollar with crescent toning sounds nice!
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  • razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    Would his first name happen to be ROBERT?...image
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess I will have to cross off all the Florida dealers from my list until I find out who it is.

    Robert
    (PS...I am not a coin dealer)

    I still get a chuckle out of "POW... right in the Frankies!"
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  • gsaguygsaguy Posts: 2,425 ✭
    Peaceman, you really need to let the forum know who you're talking about.

    I'd do it but have no dog in this fight.

    GSAGUY
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  • puffpuff Posts: 1,475


    << <i>I still say.........

    POW!!! RIGHT IN THE FRANKIES!!!! >>

    Lucy Bop....
    What's a Frankie    image Is it anything like a wienerschnitzelimageimageimageimage
  • fountainheadgoldfountainheadgold Posts: 2,467 ✭
    Name the nameimage
    Michael
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    just give the web site of the perosn and/or coin firm

    michael
  • MadMonkMadMonk Posts: 3,743 ✭
    I have NEVER had any luck with a want list. You have to be like a fisherman, waiting patiently for that big strike. Otherwise your dipping your net, and pulling up a lot of crap to throw back!
    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
  • 4thStooge4thStooge Posts: 319


    << <i>I give my "want list" to this reputible dealer... >>



    So, what got you involved with this dealer in the first place?
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    ttt
  • pythonpython Posts: 1,158
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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd do it but have no dog in this fight. >>



    Here you go.

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  • gsaguygsaguy Posts: 2,425 ✭
    PA

    GSAGUY
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  • clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    This will be the first thread I open tomorrow, just to see if the name has been revealed.
  • gsaguygsaguy Posts: 2,425 ✭
    It's been semi-revealed Clw in my post.

    GSAGUY
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