Do you think this walker is MS-62?

nwcs

Here's a twist to the old guess the grade. Here I tell you what the slab says and ask you if you agree...

1907Quarter

could go 63

nwcs

Thing is, the luster and strike is really good on this one. I just wonder if the contact marks would downgrade it that much. I'd think high end 63 as a bottom. I've seen lesser eye appealing walkers in 63 and 64.

kamehameha00

i may be overgrading but i say 64 or a light 65

nwcs

When I first evaluated it, I considered it a 64. The luster is great, the strike is great, but there are those marks. Without the marks I'd say lock at 66 so I downgraded it to 64. I don't see why they thought 62. Are the marks that detrimental?

kamehameha00

i say they dont bring down the eye appeal enough to take 2 points off

Russ

These generally come well struck, so with this one that's not a bonus. I do think that MS62 is too harsh based on the image. I'd go 63, shot 64.

Russ, NCNE

billboat

Looks like a 63+/65 but I guess the large number of contact marks on the skirt, the two in the right field and the one in the sun rays are worse than they look--that said, a very nice looking coin.

nwcs

The marks aren't as bad as you think. The picture is actually pretty close to a fair representation of them. I've seen similar skirt marks in 64-65 walkers. The right obverse field is where most of the distracting marks are but they really aren't that bad in person.

LincolnCentMan

Looks like a lock 64 to me. Am I missing something???

David

Russ

<< <i>I've seen similar skirt marks in 64-65 walkers. >>



It also has quite a few dings in the rays, liberty's arm and the eagle's leg. Still not enough, IMO, to put it at 62 though.

Russ, NCNE

CaptainRon

Unlike of few of the S and D mints in the 40's that are known for weak strikes, the 44P is not. The eagles breast looks soft to me, as does the breast on liberty.

When I look at on the front of a walker, the first place I look is in the right field, above in god we trust, then hand, the head and breast then skirt. Then finally over to Sun. Everywhere I looked there was very noticeable hits, except the head. On the reverse it looks as if there are many small hits along the eagles leg Though it is a very nice looking coin, I can understand the 62, but I am by far no expert.

nwcs

I appreciate the comments, guys. Even before posting this I wasn't thinking of cracking it out. More of trying to understand the grade thinking. Like I said I thought it would be a 64 and I could see a 63. Just didn't see a 62.

oreville

I also vote for 63 shot 64.

The obverse looks better than a 63/64 but the reverse does not look quite as nice as the obverse. Difference in the lighting?

Correction: I now see a major bag mark on the obverse in the flowing flag. This will limit the grade to high end 63.

nwcs

The lighting was the same, but the adjustment for the reverse was a little different than for the obverse. I'm still learning the nuances of my new camera.

Russ

Here's an MS64 of the same year and mint for comparison:



On the above, the strike is weak for the issue, which is what put it in a 64 holder.

Russ, NCNE

airplanenut

No, I don't think it is... who cares what the holder said... even if it isn't 62!

oreville

Correction: I now see a major bag mark on the obverse in the flowing flag. This will limit the grade to high end 63.

In my opinion, the grading service might have overreacted to that bag mark and gave it a 62.

The reverse does not seem to have quite the luster of the obverse.

nwcs

That is a great walker. I can see the weak strike making it a 64. BTW, the luster on mine is more similar to yours. I soften the light when I photograph to bring out detail at the cost of luster.

RBB617

I would grade this a little higher than a 62, but I'd argue that a 64 might be pushing it due to the chatter on the obverse. I'd call this a net 63.
Brian

DHeath

Neil,

It looks like a solid 3 to me. Nice coin despite the hits.

my3cents

I'd say the rim nicks are maybe enough to lower it a little -they are one of the most important parts of the grade. With the other contact marks in the fields and the other things that have been noted....I'd say 62 is about right but it could get a 63 if resubmitted.

As a wise board member once said....

"If the grade don't fit...you Must resubmit!"

robertpr

I agree with the grade. Major hit in the field is extremely distracting. Skirt chatter, hits in the sun, hits everywhere. I also see a touch of rub or roll rub in liberty's breast, if this coin were cracked and resubmitted it might come back AU55, IMHO.

p.s. sorry to be such a party pooper

oreville

By the way, what generation PCGS holder is this coin in?

Keep in mind that the hits look very distracting since the coin is blown up to a very large size. If the coin were resized to normal size then I think the naysayers would reconsider.

BigE

Dip it, like what happened to Russ's coin and it will remove the mark on breast and obscure some of the nicks due to the flashiness and voila!!!!!! It will be a 63-----------BigE

nwcs

The coin is in a modern sealed NGC slab. I bought this coin thinking it was a 64 and submitted it to test my grading. I thought they were a little harsh on it. Like I said, I could see a 63 and agree with it, but 62 seemed a bit low.