Another "which coin would you rather have and why?" - updated with grades and comments
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Ok, fellow coinaholics, it's time for another "which coin would you rather have and why?".
Remember, this is just for fun and, just as "there is no free lunch", no free coins will be given out as prizes.
Ready, set, ......go!
Pick one of these two 1864 Indian Cents:
Pick one of these three No Motto Dollars:
Pick one of these two Trade Dollars:
Pick one of these two Isabella Quarters:
Remember, this is just for fun and, just as "there is no free lunch", no free coins will be given out as prizes.
Ready, set, ......go!
Pick one of these two 1864 Indian Cents:
Pick one of these three No Motto Dollars:
Pick one of these two Trade Dollars:
Pick one of these two Isabella Quarters:
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1864 #1 - It looks like my icon
No Motto's #3 - Cameo?
Trade $ #1 - probably just the image, but has sharper details
1893 #1 - noise on the reverse of the other
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"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
For the first set of 2 Indians. I'm very torn. But I'll choose #2 because I like the original look just a bit more than the toned look. But only barely.
For the second set of dollars, I'll choose the third. While the others have desirable characteristics, I love the cameo contrast on the third.
For the trade dollars, I'll go with the second. Again the reason lies mostly in the contrast.
For the Isabellas, the first looks like it has great eye appeal. So I'll choose that.
Great images, Mark. I wish I could see these things for real, like you get to!
2) No Motto #3 (1865) (looks like a DCAM)
3) Trade Dollar #2 (1880) (looks like a CAM/DCAM)
4) Isabella Quarter #1
No motto-#2 also for the toning and strike.
Trade $- the 1880 looks PL or is a proof
Isabella-#1 reverse of #2 looks funky.
They are all nicer than most of my collection.
edited for spelling.
1 IHC color/eye appeal
ultimately #3 on no motto if it's a cameo. I like #2 quite a bit as well.
1880 trade dollar..Eye appeal
Second issabella....Real nice looking color, and I believe strike is better as well.
With me, it's always my point of view of eye appeal!
2) Seated Dollars - The 1865. I like how the detail of the obverse pops out at you. Flashier then the 1860. It was a toss up between the 1860 and 1865 for me. So I`ll go with the 1865.
3) Trade Dollars - The 1880. You always have to throw in a stumper in for me. I like both of them equally. The 1880 edges out by a fraction because the feilds look cleaner to me.
4) Isabella Quarters - I like the top one because the luster looks to come out better. Again the monochromatic color appeals to me too.
The color on the middle Seated Dollar look weird to me so I wouldn't buy that one. I like the color of the first one as it looks original to me. The third one (1865) looks to have more frost. Since the 1865 has a lower mintage and I really like frosted coins I would probaby pick that one.
I have a similar dilema with the Trade Dollars. Do I go for frost or originality? If they cost the same I would have trouble choosing. I'd like it if the 1874 was cheaper, then I would choose that one.
The 1'st Isabella appears to have better luster. I can't tell if the strike is as good as the second, but would pick the first if the strike is good.
Thanks for posting this thread! I really love options. I find it instructive to make a choice.
(2) Seated dollars -- again, # 2 has gorgeous color. (I suppose any sane person would take # 3, but it seems a bit sterile)
(3) I will take the black and white contrast on # 2.
(4) This is very difficult, because I strongly suspect that close inspection will tell a different story from the images. If coin # 2 has better luster than the image suggests, I will take it. I also suspect that the toning breaks on the reverse mentioned by some are not distracting in real life. At risk of raising offense, # 2 seems "unquestionnably original",while # 1 is probably original, but not unquestionnably so?
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Seated Dollars: Coin 3. DCAM or nealy so. What more can you say. The color on coin 2 doesn't move me. Coin 1 looks washed out in comparison to Coin 3.
Trade Dollar. Close call. Coin 2 probably. Sure its been dipped but coin 1 has toning that to me is more yellow with age than mellow with age, and it may have been dipped and retoned.
Isabella Quarter. How did the lady who brough us the Spanish Inquisition get on a US coin? Personally I wouldn't own either, but as far a picking one of the two I'd go with Coin 2. I like the obverse toning on coin 2 but not the steakiness on the reverse, which I find detracting from the look. Coin 1 seems to have great luster while coin 2 looks dull in the photos. But look at the detail in coin 2 which appears lacking in coin 1! Despite the lack of luster and the detracting toning breaks on the reverse, coin 2 has an overall nice antique look and coin 1 just lacks too much detail.
CG
Exorcist head #3 -- Self-evident. Contrast baby!
Trade #2 -- Same reason as above.
Izzy #1 -- Luster, nice flowing toning.
I'm not taking into account coin values. If I was, I'd take the most expensive, sell them all... and buy Ikes, of course.
the second one only has one noticeable tick mark on the reverse in a grade sensitive area. Also,
I don't like the color on the first one.
2) Seated $ - Take the first one. It has the cleanest surfaces, IMO. I think the obverse of the second one is too darkly toned. I don't like PF Seated $s. I see some light hairlines & chatter on
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3) The Trade $ - I'd go with the first one, though I'm sure it is graded lower than #2 (I know the grade on #2 and have seen its image). I prefer MS rather than proof in 19th Century Type.
4) Take the 1st Isabella. The obverse toning on the second one appears too dark for me.
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"Sou Mangueira......."
(2) I like the 1863 because of its originality, but the 1865 is probably more valuable because of the DCAM appearance etc.
(3) I again like the 1st 1874 for the coloration etc. although again the 2nd appears to be DCAM.
(4) The second Isabella appeals to me because of the toning, and it is a stronger strike marks aside.
Also, I predict the first one is graded by PCGS and the second one by NGC. Probably 65, but real good chance they are both 66's. I want to know, so out with it Saint Feldolini.
Clankeye
NM$ #3, cameo
T$ #2, fields look cleaner
Isabella, #1 better eye appeal
Remember, this is just for fun and, just as "there is no free lunch", no free coins will be given out as prizes
You should give out a nice Pinnacle Ink Pen at least.
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
Seated Dollar #1
Trade #1
Isabella #1
Do not like Proofs of any kind and the toning on all those coins is not all that attractive
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NMD - #3, I love the Cameo! The reverse looks virtually perfect.
TD - #2, Seems Deep Cameo and I think the DCAM Trade Dollar is one the finest coins ever minted.
Isabella #1 is more appealing to me.
Mark, thanks for another great thread!!
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Seated $ - Either #2 or #3, as #1 looks too washed out.
Trade $ - #2, #1 looks wierd to me.
Isabella Quart - This one is though. If #2 has luster under the toning, then I like #2... its a toughie.
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I seem to like the lusterous MS coins better; not that I'd kick the others to the floor, mind you.
1863 Dollar- The color is nice
1874 Trade Dollar- I like the overall look. Head appears to be better struck and the hairlines are not as noticable as the other
Isabella-#1 marginally. I like the more luster to it with still a hint of color. The #2 is nice and has better color, b ut lacking luster in the fields.
Jay
Of the rest:
Dollar #3
Trade #2
Isabella #1
Oh yes, I remember now:
2 what a coin! Ooh, what color for an 1864. I did not realize that the 1864 had that woodgrain look on the reverse? Is this a mint state or a proof? Looks like a proof?
3 wow nice DCAM! Can I have this for my type set?
1 a tougher date than the 1880?
1 like the luster and pleasant golden toning. A closer call between these two!!! Nicer reverse than the other coin.
1864 1c #1 PCGS PR65RB
1864 1c #2 PCGS PR65RD
1860 $1 PCGS PR65 Cameo
1863 $1 NGC PR65
1865 $1 NGC PR66 Ultra Cameo
1874 Trade $ NGC PR65 Cameo
1880 Trade $ NGC PR66 Cameo
Isabella #1 PCGS MS66
Isabella #2 PCGS MS65
#2 - I typically do like multicolored silver.
#1 - Looks sharper to me.
#1 - better lustre and sometimes I don't like multicolor on silver and #2 illustrates the kind I don't like.
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1864 1c #1 PCGS PR65RB - 8 votes
1864 1c #2 PCGS PR65RD - 15 votes
1860 $1 PCGS PR65 Cameo - 4 votes
1863 $1 NGC PR65 - 5 votes
1865 $1 NGC PR66 Ultra Cameo - 13 votes
1874 Trade $ NGC PR65 Cameo - 10 votes
1880 Trade $ NGC PR66 Cameo - 13 votes
Isabella #1 PCGS MS66 - 18 votes
Isabella #2 PCGS MS65 - 5 votes
And, a few comments -
1) I prefer 1864 1c #1 because of the pretty green and rose color, even though I know that full red examples (#2) are typically more highly regarded by collectors. Also, the small spot that a few posters mentioned, is not as obvious, sight-seen. The coin displays cameo contrast, which makes it even more desirable and striking, but PCGS apparently does not designate "RB" or "BN" copper coins as cameos.
2) It's hard for me to ignore the striking beauty and the value of the 1865 PR66 Ultra Cameo dollar. But, I certainly prefer the original and attractive appearance of the toned 1863, to the color-free 1860 example.
3) The 1880 Trade Dollar displays better cameo contrast and flash than the 1874. I also have the added advantage of knowing that it looks quite spectacular in person, too. As some have noted, however, it's easier to find than an 1874. By the way, 1880 trade Dollars were produced only as Proofs, as were all those dated 1879 through 1885 (the 1884 and 1885 being excessively rare, with mintages of 10 and 5, respectively).
4) I like the color on both Isabella Quarters but #1 (the MS66) possesses better luster and I'm not crazy about the uneven toning on the upper reverse of #2 (the MS65).
Thanks for your participation and comments. I will try to do more of these threads, as time and opportunity allow.
Neither Isabella gives any indication of having been dipped and then retoning. If they were blazing white, I would probably suspect a dipping, however.
You bring up a good point, though. In many cases, if a coin has been dipped and later retones, the color is a deep golden or golden/red, which often shades to deep blue. The color often appears at the border and not over the entire surface of the coin. And, that color often has at least somewhat of an AT look to it. These are admittedly generalizations and wont apply in all cases, however.
2nd no-motto dollar, all 3 have been cleaned, but #2 least recently
both of those trade dollars are butt-ugly, but i'd take #2 if forced to choose. both have been cleaned
isabella #2 due to superior strike, despite odd rev. tone streaks
i chose coins before reading the rest of thread, but the slabbed grades had no influence whatsoever on my decision even after i saw them. dipped copper gets slabed frequently, & needless to say dipped silver get slabed all the time
K S
No Motto - #3 looks CAM/DCAM
Trade - #2 - same reason as No motto
Isabella.... probably #2 as it appears to have more detail but the interupption in toning at 12 o'clock on the reverse is distracting.
Tim
jom
i like the 1865 rare monster ultra cameo seated dollar
i like the 1880 cameo trade dollar really monster look and uncommon as such
i like the blue colored isabella also an extremely uncommon coin looking like that
for me all the above coins are extremely uncommon with the above looks and other qualities thereof
the 1864 has to be one of the finest known bar none proof 1864 bronze no L indians
the seated dollar 1865 ultra cameo also a rare coin
the trade really rare with that kind of eye appeal
the blue colored isabella definately in the top 5% of all ms65 isabellas and rarw with that kind of color
sincerely michael
when true coins are discussed it is all good and a good read
sincerely michael
sincerely michael