Your opinions on this 1922 Plain lincoln cent

jdimmick

Please give me your opinions on this 1922 plain Lincoln cent I am looking at.

I am looking for opinions as to grade, surface color, eye-appeal etc?

Dont be worried about harshness, I want honest op's

thanks

jeffnpcb

xf40-45 with strong reverse! May grade higher but has a bad collar scuff on the obverse of his coat.
Very nice looking, but can't tell by the picture if it may have a porous obverse in certain areas.
Lots of luck!!!

BillJones

The coin is not real. The obverse is WAY TOO SHARP for a 1922 Plain. If you are thinking about buying it PASS. If you own it, try to take it back.

There is no way that PCGS, NGC or ANACS wil certify this coin. It is a fake and it will come back in a body bag.

Please don't shoot the messager.

jdimmick

The coin resides in a PCGS holder.

ksteelheader

VF35, and I have to disagree with Bill Jones. I just sold one like that yesterday. PCGS VF35 Strong reverse....Ken

BillJones

Ok I'll retract the statement. The coin probably is real. But at first blush it looked "too good."

Here are Bill Fivaz's criterian for die pair #2, which is considered by all to be the real 1922 Plain

#2 No trace of the D under the date.
#3 On die pair #2 the "L" of LIBERTY must be mushy and up against the rim, and the "R" is also weaker than the rest of the letters.
#4"In God We" is quite weak or mushy, while "Trust" and the second "2" in the date are stronger.

You see here that "mushy" is the order of the day. Usually the obverse of this coin appears to be at least 2 grades lower than the reverse. e.g. obverse looks VG while the reverse is VF. The situation is such is that this coin is often graded almost exclusively by the sharpness of the reverse.

This coin looks too even on both sides, but since the other diagnostics seem to be there, it must be real.

iras4

Jim,

It's absolutely real. Compare to my 1922 No D PCGS VF35 now on eBay as a comparison.

Looks like a decent EF45, scuff and all. I'm an expert on the 1922 No D as many know (if I do say so myself)

4081">1922 No D PCGS VF35

Hope I did the link correctly.

In fact, I've seen some slabbed AU50s that look no better, except for a bit more detail on reverse, which takes 80% of the grade on these Die Pair 2s.

Ira

bennybravo

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rd5425

I agree this coin is definitely real and is beautiful, I would say it is extra-fine. Great looking coin, nice choclate brown color, great eye appeal.

barberlover

I hate trying to grade coins esp. circ coins via scan, i think the amount of wear is on the fence between vf 30 and vf 35, but i sure wouldn't want to venture a guess on if it's authentic or not. Les

BigE

What grade does PCGS have it as, AU 58?------BigE

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS

iras4 - I believe you must be Ira Stein. Could you please tell me why you consider yourself an expert on 1922 No d
Lincoln Cents.Have you seen any gem full red die pair 2 cents?What is you expert opinion of die pair 1 and 3?

Jim - I believe PCGS would grade the coin AU 50 but in my humble it is closer to xf40-45.The color on the scan is disturbing.I would wait for what I call a milk choclate coin.

Stewart Blay

BigE

There is another post about that--BigE

PRONUMIS

looks like a very nice problem free AU 50 to 55 to me. Also I still need your email address to send pic of 95 o dime.

SarasotaFrank

my opinion is, I wish it was mine.

It is a coin I am seeking, but the ones I have seen have been a bit too pricey at this time.

merz2

IMHO it is nice XF45.Comparing it to the pics in the book by Wexler it is genuine.

jdimmick

Thanks for all the opinions.

The coin is graded PCGS-50. Its coming up in a future auction in which my current bid is at high retail XF. But after blowing up the photo's and studying it closer, the best I could give it was a Xf-45. Which is basically what a majority of you agreed.

I have decided to hold back further bidding, based on the forum comments.

thanks again.

iras4

<< <i>iras4 - I believe you must be Ira Stein. Could you please tell me why you consider yourself an expert on 1922 No d
Lincoln Cents.Have you seen any gem full red die pair 2 cents?What is you expert opinion of die pair 1 and 3?

Jim - I believe PCGS would grade the coin AU 50 but in my humble it is closer to xf40-45.The color on the scan is disturbing.I would wait for what I call a milk choclate coin.

Stewart Blay >>



I have studied these for two decades and have discovered a possible Die Pair 4 with Obv of Die Pr 3 and rev of die pair 2. Skiop Fazzari has seen it when he was at PCI many years ago and graded it as genuine, 1922 no D "weak strike!" He said he's never seen another like it. I wrote an article with photos that was a front page story and published in Numismatic News about 4 years ago, Stu. Been searching, but have never found another.

Saw the NGC example graded by them as MS-65 Red, but has since, I believe, dfound its way into a PCGS holder as MS-64 RB. Has about 80% red.

I've sold hundreds of these in my career and many dealers hold me to be an expert in this variety. I do sell die pair 1 and 3 examples as well but notwithstanding PCGS slabbing those as No Ds weak reverses, I believe the ONLY true No Ds are the Die Pair 2 that JDimmick has illustrated.

BTW, strong EF45s will sell in the upper $2000 range, so I hope JDimmick doesn't give up on this one too easily.

I have seen removed Ds advertised at auction by Stack's and they removed it on my say-so but I believe Superior sold one in an NGC holder that was also altered from a 1922 D but their position was that I'd have to take it up with NGC. It sold at auction about a year ago. I've sold high end AU58s in PCGS holders to have them resurface in NGC MS-62 holders.

Think I just might be knowledgeable in this area, Stu?

Ira