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What are some of your favorites coin collecting "myths"?

One of my favorites [and irritating at the same time] is how many believe that all high end collectors are wealthy.

A few years ago there was a Texas dealer who would always try and impress me by telling me how he sold alot to doctors. Or how an expensive coin was previously owned by a doctor. One day I finally told him I could care less who owned a coin before me, it was meaningless. I also let him know of how many doctors I knew who were dead broke or so high in debt they could barely pay their medical office rent.

He was stunned by he bought into the stereotype and myth of who buys high end coins.

Who really buys high end coins [$10k+]? Speculators, business owners and other coin dealers hoping to flip it to someone else.

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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    One that is fresh in my mind is that PCGS says says chopmarked Trade Dollars have had chunks of silver chopped out of them. Thus the name chopmark. Actually a chopmark is a small punch mark character and nothing is actually chopped up. Check PCGS introduction to the PCGS Set Registry: Text
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • That the older the coin, the more valuable it is.
  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "there is no Santa Clause in numismatics"

    Hell, somebody is making money or there wouldn't be dealers! image
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That the older the coin, the more valuable it is. >>



    All moderns are common, and the corollary that there are rolls and bags of all moderns and
    they haven't been checked for high grade specimens.
    Tempus fugit.


  • << <i>

    << <i>That the older the coin, the more valuable it is. >>



    All moderns are common, and the corollary that there are rolls and bags of all moderns and
    they haven't been checked for high grade specimens. >>


    I agree cladking. On the other hand a first year type may be very common, while the next year may be rare. Even though they are 100 years old. So age is not rarity. That's all I meant.
    With regards to moderns, I see that as a speculative nightmare. Whoever ends up holding the modern MS69 or 70 when the music stops loses bigtime. JMO. image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A few years ago there was a Texas dealer who would always try and impress me by telling me how he sold alot to doctors.

    I’ve heard some coin dealers refer to doctors as “Meat on the table” when it came to making coin deals. In other words they were an “easy mark.” Doctors should know a lot about the human anatomy, but some of them have more money than brains when it comes to coins.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ERER Posts: 7,345
    EVERY dealer saying " we pay top prices for your coins ".
  • morganbarbermorganbarber Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭
    It'll be worth a lot more if you could just shine it up a bit.
    I collect circulated U.S. silver
  • barberloverbarberlover Posts: 2,228 ✭✭
    "that all high end coin collectors are wealthy"

    Boy, do i blow that one out of the water, on the other hand when i when the lottery [lol]

    If i did win the lottery i would build one of the finest type coin collections in the world. it is nice to dream.
    The President claims he didn't lie about taxes for those earning less then $250,000 a year with public mandated health insurance yet his own justice department has said they will use the right of the government to tax when the states appeals go to court.
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A few years ago there was a Texas dealer who would always try and impress me by telling me how he sold alot to doctors. >>


    You sure he didn't mean coin doctors? image
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    "This coin has never been cleaned or played with"

    Tom
    Tom

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    10 of the axiom myths I like:

    You have to diversify to make money in coins.
    We love to buy back the coins we sell.
    Investment grade coins
    Coin pricing is only in discrete steps just like the grades are.
    All my coins are PQ.
    We work on 10-15% profit.
    If you don't buy it I have several other dealers who will.
    Paying full price for each and every coin you show us.....even JUNK.
    Coins are hot.
    This is a low pop coin (1973-s Ike in MS63)

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>That the older the coin, the more valuable it is. >>



    All moderns are common, and the corollary that there are rolls and bags of all moderns and
    they haven't been checked for high grade specimens. >>


    I agree cladking. On the other hand a first year type may be very common, while the next year may be rare. Even though they are 100 years old. So age is not rarity. That's all I meant.
    With regards to moderns, I see that as a speculative nightmare. Whoever ends up holding the modern MS69 or 70 when the music stops loses bigtime. JMO. image >>



    Age doesn't determine the value of a coin.image
    Age doesn't determine how common a coin is.image
    First year type may be common while second is rare.image
    High quality coins lead to losses.image

    You had me going there for a while.
    Tempus fugit.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"This coin has never been cleaned or played with"

    Tom >>



    How do you play with a coin? Take it to a ball game, a little poker, or perhaps go

    bowling with the coin. How would the coin hold its bowling ball? It aint got no arms.image
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • ClankeyeClankeye Posts: 3,928
    Favorite coin collecting myth?

    Don't let it be forgot
    That once there was a spot
    For one brief shining moment that was
    Here in Coin-a-lot!

    Coinalot!
    I know it sounds a bit bizarre
    But in Coinalot!
    That's how conditions are




    Clankeye
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    How do you play with a coin? Take it to a ball game, a little poker, or perhaps go

    bowling with the coin. How would the coin hold its bowling ball? It aint got no arms.image >>





    Why with it's tails of course.

    I was saving this for another thread, but didn't need it afterall.
    Tempus fugit.
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since I live in North carolina,

    My favorite is the supposedly lost 1913 Liberty Nickel. On the way to a show, I believe several years back in the 1970's (year?), a local dealer who had one in his posession on the way from or to a show or something got into a automobile accident and was killed. The coin was never recovered. The coins were reportedly scattered all over the place.

    Is it lost out in the roadside somewhere, still in the automobile thats sitting in somejunk yard, or a good made up story. Or found by someone who still remains anonymous?

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,222 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The time to buy into a Series is when no one else is (a twist on the "buy low, sell high"). Not always true. There is a REASON why Collectors, in general, are not interested in some Series as they are in others, and that logic and drive won't change.

    peacockcoins

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Buy the best quality you can afford."

    Ridiculous!

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • CoulportCoulport Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭
    That some moron in Idaho (or elsewhere) spent a 1943 copper cent.
    The most money I made are on coins I haven't sold.

    Got quoins?
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that all high grade moderns are common..........
    that there are no hoards----large or small----of classics still left..........
    that price is determined by scarcity..........
    that any of the grading services really have a handle on what is/isn't artificially toned..........
    that gmarguli is really missed as much as everyone thought he would be...........
    that some dealers who frequent here are really just trying to educate us...........
    that dorkkarl never submits coins for slabbing image.............
    that MadMarty finds all those killer toned proof Jefferson's in proof sets image.............
    that anybody ever really takes me seriously image!!!!!!!!!!!

    al h.image
  • FlashFlash Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭
    One myth that comes to mind is the popular notion that the design of the Standing Liberty Quarters was changed to cover Liberty's breast because of a public outcry against the shameful nudity on a circulating coin. No evidence of any public outcry has ever been proven. Actually, the design was changed because of the coin's inability to properly stack, as well as artistic considerations at the request of designer Herman MacNeil.

    Another popular myth is that the term "you're joshing" originated with Josh Tatum and his passing off gold-plated Liberty nickels as $5 gold pieces. Actually, the term originated long before Liberty nickels existed. According to an 1845 definition of the word, "Josh" means to banter, or to 'kid'."
    Matt
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    that anybody ever really takes me seriously image!!!!!!!!!!!

    al h.image >>



    I always take you seriously, and often wonder why.
    Tempus fugit.
  • gemtone65gemtone65 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    That a 1964 Peace dollar actually exists.
  • That there are no modern day rarities. No one ever finds a rare coin in change any more.

    That coin collecting is a great investment opportunity and a wonderful hedge against inflation.

    That I really know what the heck I'm doing.

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