Poll: Who's the "maggot"?

quattrocoins

First of all, I just hate bringing this up here. I know, it sounds like a couple of kids! But I feel that some people just don't get it, and certainly don't listen to just my reasoning. Perhaps a poll here can suggest just who was out of line. In dealing with board members, I think it would be nice to know the parameters of ethics most here would recognize.
The simple facts:

Member "A" needs a certain coin for his registry set.
Member "B" has multiples of this coin.
Member "A" makes an offer to member "B" for one of his extras.
Member "B" turns it down, making a counter-offer.
Member "A" accepts the counter-offer, and sends a check(inluding more than enough for shipping).
Member "B" recieves the check and states that he will send the coin when the check clears.
Member "B" then "suggests" that member "A" "kick in" something extra, since another of these coins sold for more on eBay.
After much haggling (and "waiting for check to clear"), member "A" finally recieves the coin.
Member "A" feels no need to tell member "B" that the coin arrived, since he's still in no mood to say anything nice.
Member "B" calls member "A" a "maggot"!

So, who's the maggot, A or B? A simple "click" will do.

Thanks for your views.

Don

LucyBop

it depends! Is this ruckus over a Frankie????

quattrocoins

LOL, Lucy!

No, calm down.

Don

kranky

Nobody needs to be called a "maggot".

The seller might want something extra because the item sold for more on ebay, but it's not warranted. If a similar coin sold for less on ebay, would the buyer be asking for a rebate? The seller didn't have to agree to sell if he thought he could get more on ebay. A price was agreed upon, and that's that.

Nonetheless, the buyer ought to have told the seller that the coin was received. You don't necessarily have to be in the mood to say anything nice to just say "The coin arrived today".

paigowjohnny

Well...from this side of the story...B has the lead, although A should've taken the high ground and ack'd receipt of the coin.

I'd be interested to hear "the other side of the story"

Colorfulcoins

A deal is a deal. The Seller asking for more.........is tacky and I'd certainly not want to deal with any seller that ransom's coins! Its about trust and activities like that DO NOT convey trust.

LucyBop

How come your unfair poll doesn't have a all of the above option???

Russ

If the scenario is precisely as outlined, than person B would be the less ethical of the two.

Russ, NCNE

quattrocoins

There ya go Hep Kitty!

Don

DCAMFranklin

Your "poll" is not accepting votes.

Member B is solely in the wrong. His offer was accepted and paid for. He then attempted to renegotiate a completed deal. Member A paid for a coin and he received a coin. He has what he paid for. Member A has no obligation to let Member B know the coin arrived. He probably has a rightful bitter taste in his mouth. Shameful that Member B would attempt to renegotiate a completed deal!!

LucyBop

hmmmm... I tried selecting all of the above.... both are maggots for not dealing in Frankies!

dorkkarl

neither member is a maggot.

if member B is a dealer, then he is in the wrong. if member B is solely a collector, then i don't think he's "wrong". he has the right to change his mind!

a more proper procedure would have been for B to just mail back the $

K S

Fairlaneman

Don your cool, easy going deameanor looks like it has got ruffled with this deal. Just do not deal with people like this any more. Hell its not worth getting upset about. JMHO as always.

Was it a Merc ?

Ken

quattrocoins

Thanks Ken,

No, I've never had a problem with any of the Merc crowd.

Karl:

I'll remember to never take you at your word.

Don

abuell

Don-

I am in 100% agreement with you - it does sound like a couple of kids. I would make them stand in the corner at the next YN meeting until they could act like adults.

Russ

<< <i>then i don't think he's "wrong". he has the right to change his mind! >>



Not after the deal has been completed and he has the buyer's payment in hand, he doesn't.

Russ, NCNE

SarasotaFrank

was this a "done deal"?

LucyBop

<< <i>was this a "done deal"? >>



hehe lol!

kranky

<< <i>was this a "done deal"? >>



I don't know what could be more "done" than accepting an offer, telling the buyer where to send payment, and receiving the payment.

TheNumish

Seems to me party B is greedy. They were probably making good money on the coin as it was and cried some alligator tears when they saw one sell for more on ebay. I sell coins all the time for less then they bring on ebay and sometimes I get more than they bring on ebay. Pricing coins isn't an exact science.

dorkkarl

"<< then i don't think he's "wrong". he has the right to change his mind! >> Not after the deal has been completed and he has the buyer's payment in hand, he doesn't." i dunno guys. i know i ain't no business man, & for me , i'd go through with the deal on my word of honor.

i do not like how B reacted to the situation. but i don't think he's FORCED to go through w/ it. i woudl never deal w/ the guy again though.

K S

keets

this is just another example of how disheartening it is in todays world when someone's word is essentially worthless, at least for some people. if the transaction as outlined is honest, i find it hard to understand how anyone could condone the sellers actions. he agreed and had already received payment. if that doesn't constitute an obligation to finalize the deal, i wouldn't want to do business with them or anyone who thought similarly. just piss-poor ethics to behave that way.

he did send the coin and it seems it would have been courteous and well-mannered for the buyer to acknowledge receipt. apparently neither person has a real clue about being polite. nothing new, happens all the time.

al h.

relayer

Look's like it was a done deal

Can I be the maggot, feeding off the dead?

Whitewashqtr

You have heard only one side of the story and yet.. more than some of you side with member A, although you cant vote in the poll. Many times these threads are started by someone who was wronged. Where was member A wronged? He received the coin!! And these threads are also started with the original poster's viewpoint.

The bottom line is:

Member B delivered the coin.. what more can be said? If he sent back the payment and reneged on the deal I could understand the issue. But the bottom line is member A got the coin for a better than good price. What more could member A want? A bow on the package? Member B only wanted to know if he received the coin and what he thought of it. He was the good guy .. he delivered the coin for far less than market value.

Or is member A wanting to start a flame war.. Nowadays one has to be careful on the boards!!

WWQ

Fairlaneman

You know someone always has to twist the facts to suit thier own needs. Seems cut and dried to me. One guy consented and sent payment as agreed. The second member wanted to change the deal which is BS. Your word should be your bond. Obviously Don will not deal with the guy again. Don was Greedy because he bought a coin at a good price. Hell if not telling a seller when a coin shows up is being a Maggot....... well there are a bunch of Maggots out there. Mute point IMO.

Ken

DCAMFranklin

Sorry WWQ, Member B made a counter offer that was accepted. Member B received payment for the counter offer, plus postage costs. Then, after depositing the check, Member B attempts to renegotiate the already agreed upon price??!! Are you kidding me?

If Member B wants some credit for delivering a coin for "less than market value", then he better look elsewhere! Perhaps Member B should not price ANY of his coins, if he is not prepared to happily deliver the coin for the agreed upon price.

quattrocoins

First, I appologize for the poll not workin'. I can't seem to fix it. Any help in getting it goin' would be appreciated. I would rather have the annonomous poll as I feel more would voice their opinion there.

Second, I did not try to tell a "story", one side or the other. I tried to just state the facts. I simply would like to know how the majority felt about this. In all my many dealings with members here, it's never happened before.

"Member B delivered the coin.. what more can be said?"

That he tried to extort more after agreeing to the deal, upsetting member A, and only delivering after much persuading that it wouldn't be right not to do so!

I'm not trying to start a "flame war", but if you want to re-name the members "Q" & "W", that's okay w/me!

Don

P.S. Keets:
Sometimes politeness goes out the window with the first e-mail!

LucyBop

NOTICE:
To all members whom I have sold Frankies to. Should they go up in value I expect a full payment of the gains made
on the GEMS aquired from HepKitty enterprises. If they lower in value may I never hear from you again.

Whitewashqtr

Ok.. since we now know who the parties are: "W" asked "Q" , after the price was agreed to @ $500, if "Q" felt inclined to kick in a little more to the deal (perhaps a low valued coin, or something else), leaving this option to "Q" at his sole discretion.

The coin in question sold for $300 more than the agreed price on eBay, I believe the day after the deal was comsummated. There is even a current eBay auction with a "reserve not met" at $800. So "W' wanted to see if the enormously kind (by his own standards) "Q" felt some compassion for "stealing" the coin.

"Q" said he didnt feel compelled to do anything and B sent the coin. "W" at no time tried to extort, hold back (unless threatened), or tried to reneg on the deal. Actually, "Q" threatened to bring this to the Boards if he didnt receive the coin. Turns out he received the coin and posted this anyway!!

Yes "W" agreed to the price and yes "W" got hosed in today's market. Live and learn. "W" followed through and delivered the coin because it was the right thing to do. Did "W" do the wrong thing, by asking if "Q" had "any ideas" to try and make "W" a little happier for losing $300 by todays market value, maybe. For that "W" apologizes.. But "W" has and will always stand by any and all deals he makes.

As "Q" and "W" are both collectors, registry collectors and Board members, with "W" helping "Q" build a better Registry set than himself, a simple. "I received the coin, Thanks!!" would have been nice. That is all "W" was asking for after he sent the coin.

By the way, I dont agree with starting this thread, but if it makes "Q" happier to do so, more power to him. "W" was trying to keep this a private matter. Any wants more info.. can PM me.

WWQ

LucyBop

"Q", "W"...... Lotsa letters......


The ABC'S of Rock'n Roll!!!!!!

quattrocoins

Geeze, don't chain me here, cuttin' and pastin' e-mails all day!

I think it's pretty clear without having to do that!!!

I onlt posted this to find out which(A or was the "maggot"!

Don

keets

...........and i just love the murky waters of anonymity!! HEY "W"--- this is "K" wanting to know if you have anymore below cost coins you'd like to deal on?? i have some AU58's i could contribute!!! or better yet, what about some raw MS stuff. sorry, no gaurantee on grade results!!

al h.

edited for a quasi-nursery rhyme:

the worms crawl in
the worms crawl out.
the worms play pinochle
on my snout!!

Fairlaneman

Hey Maggot you know who the Real Maggot is.

Ken

Whitewashqtr

Hey "K"..

I love Pinochle. No one knows how to play these days. We can play for coins.. my slabbed MS's for your AU's ,, good deal? If you say yes.. I might ask you to include those raw MS's too!! But only after you agree to the original deal ..lol.

cosmicdebris

Once the price was agreed upon member had NO right to try to renegotiate, weather he was a dealer or collector makes no difference.

keets

cards for coins!!! what an idea.

al h.

BillJones

A deal is a deal. If you say that you will sell an item for $X and you get a good check for it, you keep your word. Whatever other examples of the same coin sold for elsewhere is of no conern for this deal.

It would be polite to tell someone that you recieved the coin, but after that the person who broke their word and asked for more money after the deal was made would go on my "avoid" list.

satootoko

<< <i>was this a "done deal"? >>



Somewhere in the late first month or early second month of law school you learn that a contract is formed when there is an objective "meeting of the minds." That occurred when A accepted the counteroffer. Sending the check was just part of his performance, not his acceptance.

Fairlaneman

Count me in on the Cards for Coins. Pinochle only though. Well maybe Crib will do also.

Ken

lathmach

I wouldn't call either of them a "MAGGOT".
Maybe member A should start collecting coins though, and get away from the set registry competition.
Collecting coins should be an enjoyable experience.

Ray

Askari

What? Carol hasn't moved this thread to the Registry Forum yet!!!

Gilbert

As a prior military member, I just want to say you guys are insulting "maggots." A maggot is a by the book, no deviation, fotting the "i" and crossing the "t" type individual.

Am I understanding this correctly. By counter-offer do you mean the first offer was too low and "W" asked for a higher price, but not really as high as he would have liked, and then followed that up with a "hint" at "a little something extra?"

W, why didn't you just ask for what you wanted in the first place?

g097103

My opinion is that once the agreement is made and everyone agreed to terms the deal is set in stone. At best, asking
for more after funds were received is tacky.

wallstreetman

dorkkarl, your on my DO NOT DEAL WITH LIST!

lathmach, Its enjoyable until you run into a MAGGOT!

A man is only as good as his word!

wallstreetman

Hey W,

This W would never ask for any other letter to kick in a little extra!

relayer

Q: I'll give you $200 for your coin
W: No, I want $500
Q: OK
W: OK
Q: $-----> W
W: I didn't know what I was doing when I sold you the coin. Can you please send more money?
Q: No
W: Maggot
Q: I'm telling mom

--------OR---------

Q: I'll give you $200 for your coin
W: Hmm. I see they are trading for $800. I'll let you have it for $750
Q: OK
W: OK
Q: $-----> W
W: coin--> Q
Q: Thanks
W: Thanks

quattrocoins

Relayer:
Your second scenerio could not work as you have parts out of cronological order!
As for your first, I would think that my last statement would have been I'm askin' mom.
Glad to be able to amuse you!

Don

doops

<< <i>First of all, I just hate bringing this up here. I know, it sounds like a couple of kids! But I feel that some people just don't get it, and certainly don't listen to just my reasoning. Perhaps a poll here can suggest just who was out of line. In dealing with board members, I think it would be nice to know the parameters of ethics most here would recognize.
The simple facts:

Member "A" needs a certain coin for his registry set.
Member "B" has multiples of this coin.
Member "A" makes an offer to member "B" for one of his extras.
Member "B" turns it down, making a counter-offer.
Member "A" accepts the counter-offer, and sends a check(inluding more than enough for shipping).
Member "B" recieves the check and states that he will send the coin when the check clears.
Member "B" then "suggests" that member "A" "kick in" something extra, since another of these coins sold for more on eBay.
After much haggling (and "waiting for check to clear"), member "A" finally recieves the coin.
Member "A" feels no need to tell member "B" that the coin arrived, since he's still in no mood to say anything nice.
Member "B" calls member "A" a "maggot"!

So, who's the maggot, A or B? A simple "click" will do.

Thanks for your views.

Don >>


"maggot" and this modus operandi is a certain vocal and behavioral trait from the id's of dchump and xkop69 both of which have multiple ebay id's and are only mere small time peon schemers. pay it no mind,let it not push a button and just flat out tell him where to put it. in fact, put it on here,he'll see it.

DOLLARBILL

If member B is a dealer and doesn't have a return policy, then he is a MAGGOT.

Whitewashqtr

Dollar Bill

Obviously you have not read this thread. But just so you know.. Member A and B are both collectors.

DCAMFranklin

WWQ- Look at the post immediately above DollarBill's. If you know anything about that particular dealer, you will understand.