Actually it says members, and if member b wants more just because that is the going price, not what he paid. That makes him a dealer in my book. What happened to the good old days when collectors all helped each other, and dealers too. It seems now that every body wants to make a killing on every coin. Personally I think it stinks, when a dealer buys lots of a certain type, then hypes them up only to charge a lot more then they are worth. Then a month or year later the coins are only worth a small fraction of what was paid. Then you have the dealers that totally misrepresent their coins, sell them for more then they paid buy hundreds of dollars, and offer no refund. They call it getting a hit or a break. Bottom line is they are screwing people and driving them away from the hobby. Yes, the hobby, it is a HOBBY and supposed to be fun.
<< <i>Actually it says members, and if member b wants more just because that is the going price, not what he paid. That makes him a dealer in my book. What happened to the good old days when collectors all helped each other, and dealers too. It seems now that every body wants to make a killing on every coin. Personally I think it stinks, when a dealer buys lots of a certain type, then hypes them up only to charge a lot more then they are worth. Then a month or year later the coins are only worth a small fraction of what was paid. Then you have the dealers that totally misrepresent their coins, sell them for more then they paid buy hundreds of dollars, and offer no refund. They call it getting a hit or a break. Bottom line is they are screwing people and driving them away from the hobby. Yes, the hobby, it is a HOBBY and supposed to be fun. >>
scrotum,sloscum,lskrare with yates1933 as your shiil bidder that you only ceased using after i put eaby on it then created another,you who is a gutless shilling slimeball like you, you have some nerve poking your punk,immoral,unethical head up here to say anything about anything or anybody or attempt ANY legitimate input to this forum. hypocritical scheming punk-mentality scumbag you just go back to shilling the newbs on your scab purchases you weasel your way into after your 9 to 5 prison job. PUNK !!!!
DOOPS, It is clear you make a living off buying coins on e-bay for $8.00 to $10.00 and hyping them up, lying to newbies, and basically misrepresenting your coins, and cleaning them, only then do you sell them at stupid prices. And don't have the guts to offer a return policy. I responded to this thread and offered an opinion, which I'm sure alot of people agree with. Sorry you took it personally, I didn't realize the word MAGGOT would strike a vein.
This situation is different in the fact that DLRC accepted and processed the payment, where in this case.. member B did not accept (deposit) the payment yet.
<< <i>This deal is VERY MUCH like the DLRC situation. DLRC was wrong there, and "W" is wrong here. The funny thing is, I don't see people sticking up for "W" while all too many members came to DLRC's defense. I wonder why that is??? I really have no idea but would love to hear from the members who did come to DLRC's defense!!! >>
Baseball- Interesting how the very same people that were critical of "W" in this thread, then turned around and actually defended David Lawrence. Seller quoted a price, seller accepted money and then after the payment was accepted tried to rescind the deal and/or demand a higher price. Favoritism and hypocrisy are indeed alive and well.
Manofcoins- Surely you jest! The "clerical error" was made by the President of the company. (Did the President do "his homework"?) Not some flunky behind the glass, this was the President of the company. Then some flunky entered the price onto the website. Then someone, perhaps a professional, solicited the buyer by e-mail with the price assigned by the President of the company. Then the buyer called to confirm the quality of the coin and the price. The buyer spoke with a trained, professional numismatist, that SHOULD know the reasonable cost!!! Period! Then the buyer agreed to purchase and provided his credit card information. The credit card purchase was completed. That is called a purchase. End of story.
Manofcoins... I think you are very wrong here. Dont underestimate the "clerical error" in the listing. As DCAM points out... it was priced incorrectly, just like the transaction in this thread.
I may not have done my homework because of the lack of trading info that I had. There were very few 39-S's sold before the one that I did with Quattro.
In the end.. I stuck to the deal I made, NOT like David Lawrence!!
And.. just to point out about your own pricing.. why is it that you keep changing the prices, B-I-N's and descriptions of your eBay auctions? Here's an example, but many more can be found.
This transaction was originally listed as a 1939-D MS67 quarter for something like $2150. The price was lowered to $1600 ($1900 B-I-N). Now it is listed as a 1950-D/S (which originally did not sell on another auction you listed). This has happened with many many other auctions you have listed.
As a matter of fact.. your selling practices are a bit unconsciencable, as you are consistently changing your prices, descriptions in order to sell at the highest price you can get while avoiding eBay fees.
While I was following a lot of your auctions, I can't keep up with the changes since these changes are not relayed to me by any means. I think you should rethink how you approach your eBay selling.
I think most would agree. But maybe it should have its own thread.
Do you know that sterile (germ wise) maggots are used to eat dead tissue for certain injuries. They won't eat the healty living tissue. So sometimes a maggot is a good thing.
So what do you say Quattro? Full refund and all shipping too. Or are you too greedy to return it and possibly risk your Registry rating?
I know a good home for it with another collector for the same price I sold it to you for. As a matter of fact that collector had asked me for it several times BEFORE YOU BEGGED ME FOR IT and I didnt want to sell. The other collector happens to be a helluva nice guy and appreciative that I would even think of selling it to him.
It's out-right lies like this that leave me no choice but to dismiss you for what you are, surely nothing worth any more of my time. I have all the e-mails to prove it, but won't burden myself or bore the forum any more.
These are not lies Quattro. Did you or did you not BLAST ME for trying to sell this coin on eBay several months before I sold it to you? And then you begged me to sell it to you for $500!! But maybe you believe your own BS because you are such a "good guy when you want something".
But you obviously want to keep "spinning" this.
Return the coin for a full refund. I'll even send the payment first and it's been over thirty days. Who offers a better deal than this? The last one that I know of sold for less than $500, so you should be ahead of the game and have no problem finding a suitable one for your Registry set.
I've had enough of you trying to make ME out to be the bad guy. I DID THE RIGHT THING!!. But David Lawrence is a Saint for NOT delivering a coin AFTER a COMPLETED transaction. What's the matter, dont want to speak out against a dealer that may provide you with your next coin? Talk about a DOUBLE STANDARD. You obviously are only true to your CONVICTIONS when it suits your own purpose. Talk about greed
Maybe it is ME that should dismiss YOU for what you are.
"But David Lawrence is a Saint for NOT delivering a coin AFTER a COMPLETED transaction. What's the matter, don't want to speak out about a dealer that may provide you with your next coin? Talk about a DOUBLE STANDARD. You obviously are true to your CONVICTIONS when it suits your own purpose."
Absolutely Whitewashqtr! Members chose their positions on DLRC based upon their need for future coins, not principles and convictions. If an individual screws a Member in such a manner then they are all kinds of horrible names. But if a dealer with lots of connections and a strong source of acquired coins, then well, well we just have to bend our little rules a little bit and defend them no matter what. The heck with lacking convictions. Those people are just plain CHICKEN!
1. DLRC claims they cancelled the deal essentially due to a clerical error. If I can draw an analogy - if I was away at a show and someone asked about a coin off my website and my wife quoted something rediculously low purely in error, we would have a situation I believe close to what occured with DLRC. Now, I might still give the customer the coin at the wrong price after I expained to the customer what occured and if the customer still wanted it for the wrong price -well - we know what kind of customer he is. My wife would also feel so bad about it, I wouldn't have to say a word to her. This is exactly why ONLY I quote prices off my website, even if I lose a deal or two because the customer does not receive an immediate response. Now, if I concluded the customer's INTENT was to defaud me, I might take a different approach. I BELIEVE NEARLY EVERYONE HERE BELIEVES DLRC HAD NO INTENTION TO DEFRAUD ANYONE - IT WAS SIMPLY AN HONEST CLERICAL ERROR. Of course, I would feel differently about the DLRC issue if I thought they were INTENTIONALLY DEFRAUDING SOMEONE- I am comfortable believing they had NO INTENT to defraud anyone based upon my personal dealings with that outfit.
2. If my memory serves me right, WWQ already wrote up several apology threads to Don concerning this 39(s) quarter - if so, that discussion is over and all was forgiven already
3. RE: MANOFCOINS EBAY AUCTIONS: Yes, I have noticed that Craig may, during the course of an auction, where there have been no bids, change the opening bid or other features of his auction on a particular coin. I BELIEVE, THIS IS TOTALLY WITHIN THE EBAY RULES AND HE IS 100% FINE IN DOING SO. Craig is a pure "collector". He may post a coin up on ebay and be told by one or more dealers he works with that his opening bid appears way too high or way too low. Craig may opt to change the opening bid, then, may wake up the next day and decide he doesn't want to part with his coin at the new lower price (or even that the price needs to be higher because he is uncomfortable selling it at the initial level he created). And, where there have been no bids - WHAT EXACTLY IS THE PROBLEM HERE? A pure collector like Craig is the perfect type of ebay seller who may elect to adjust his opening bids or pull coins. Of course, if a pure Wash quarter dealer posted a coin at one price, changed it the next day to another, then again to another, etc. - a few collectors might legitamately question what the heck is going on. But, since when is a collector not free to change the opening bids on ebay prior to a bid? Come on WWQ - admit that was a weak argument
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Then you have the dealers that totally misrepresent their coins, sell them for more then they paid buy hundreds of dollars, and offer no refund. They call it getting a hit or a break. Bottom line is they are screwing people and driving them away from the hobby. Yes, the hobby, it is a HOBBY and supposed to be fun.
<< <i>Actually it says members, and if member b wants more just because that is the going price, not what he paid. That makes him a dealer in my book. What happened to the good old days when collectors all helped each other, and dealers too. It seems now that every body wants to make a killing on every coin. Personally I think it stinks, when a dealer buys lots of a certain type, then hypes them up only to charge a lot more then they are worth. Then a month or year later the coins are only worth a small fraction of what was paid.
Then you have the dealers that totally misrepresent their coins, sell them for more then they paid buy hundreds of dollars, and offer no refund. They call it getting a hit or a break. Bottom line is they are screwing people and driving them away from the hobby. Yes, the hobby, it is a HOBBY and supposed to be fun. >>
scrotum,sloscum,lskrare with yates1933 as your shiil bidder that you only ceased using after i put eaby on it then created another,you who is a gutless shilling slimeball like you, you have some nerve poking your punk,immoral,unethical head up here to say anything about anything or anybody or attempt ANY legitimate input to this forum. hypocritical scheming punk-mentality scumbag you just go back to shilling the newbs on your scab purchases you weasel your way into after your 9 to 5 prison job. PUNK !!!!
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<< <i>then i don't think he's "wrong". he has the right to change his mind! >>
Not after the deal has been completed and he has the buyer's payment in hand, he doesn't.
Russ, NCNE >>
Why would this situation be different from the David Lawrence thread?
Otherwise everything was pretty much the same.
my hotels
<< <i>This deal is VERY MUCH like the DLRC situation. DLRC was wrong there, and "W" is wrong here. The funny thing is, I don't see people sticking up for "W" while all too many members came to DLRC's defense. I wonder why that is??? I really have no idea but would love to hear from the members who did come to DLRC's defense!!! >>
Baseball- Interesting how the very same people that were critical of "W" in this thread, then turned around and actually defended David Lawrence. Seller quoted a price, seller accepted money and then after the payment was accepted tried to rescind the deal and/or demand a higher price. Favoritism and hypocrisy are indeed alive and well.
nice thought and you're right, but that's generally not how it goes.
2 Cam-Slams!
1 Russ POTD!
Anyone here ever heard of specific performance?
I may not have done my homework because of the lack of trading info that I had. There were very few 39-S's sold before the one that I did with Quattro.
In the end.. I stuck to the deal I made, NOT like David Lawrence!!
And.. just to point out about your own pricing.. why is it that you keep changing the prices, B-I-N's and descriptions of your eBay auctions? Here's an example, but many more can be found.
This transaction was originally listed as a 1939-D MS67 quarter for something like $2150. The price was lowered to $1600 ($1900 B-I-N). Now it is listed as a 1950-D/S (which originally did not sell on another auction you listed). This has happened with many many other auctions you have listed.
As a matter of fact.. your selling practices are a bit unconsciencable, as you are consistently changing your prices, descriptions in order to sell at the highest price you can get while avoiding eBay fees.
Link to one of Manofcoins eBay auctions
While I was following a lot of your auctions, I can't keep up with the changes since these changes are not relayed to me by any means. I think you should rethink how you approach your eBay selling.
I think most would agree. But maybe it should have its own thread.
WWQ
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B.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seems like that apology was worth squat!!!
Some do it because they see the light, others because they feel the heat. I guess your's was the latter, eh, wwq!?!
You're correct.. it wasnt different. I followed through and delivered the coin!!
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
So sometimes a maggot is a good thing.
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
This was nothing more than greed! and you lost nothing (except that your profit wasn't big enough for you!)!!!! = GREED
Or is your own greed too much to send it back for a FULL REFUND?
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"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
Lucy:
Good 1!
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
Straight up!! What do you say?
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
Your word???
No thanks!!!
You send me the 1939-S back and I refund your $500 plus all the shipping. I am sure you could find one for a better price? You even told me so.
My word? I stuck to MY WORD. IT IS GOLDEN!!
What do you think of Manofcoins eBay auctions? I am sure you are following the Washington quarters closely, if you can keep up with the changes.
Why no comment on that?
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
I know a good home for it with another collector for the same price I sold it to you for. As a matter of fact that collector had asked me for it several times BEFORE YOU BEGGED ME FOR IT and I didnt want to sell. The other collector happens to be a helluva nice guy and appreciative that I would even think of selling it to him.
What was I thinking?
It's out-right lies like this that leave me no choice but to dismiss you for what you are, surely nothing worth any more of my time. I have all the e-mails to prove it, but won't burden myself or bore the forum any more.
But you obviously want to keep "spinning" this.
Return the coin for a full refund. I'll even send the payment first and it's been over thirty days. Who offers a better deal than this? The last one that I know of sold for less than $500, so you should be ahead of the game and have no problem finding a suitable one for your Registry set.
I've had enough of you trying to make ME out to be the bad guy. I DID THE RIGHT THING!!. But David Lawrence is a Saint for NOT delivering a coin AFTER a COMPLETED transaction. What's the matter, dont want to speak out against a dealer that may provide you with your next coin? Talk about a DOUBLE STANDARD. You obviously are only true to your CONVICTIONS when it suits your own purpose. Talk about greed
Maybe it is ME that should dismiss YOU for what you are.
Absolutely Whitewashqtr! Members chose their positions on DLRC based upon their need for future coins, not principles and convictions. If an individual screws a Member in such a manner then they are all kinds of horrible names. But if a dealer with lots of connections and a strong source of acquired coins, then well, well we just have to bend our little rules a little bit and defend them no matter what. The heck with lacking convictions. Those people are just plain CHICKEN!
1. DLRC claims they cancelled the deal essentially due to a clerical error. If I can draw an analogy - if I was away at a show and someone asked about a coin off my website and my wife quoted something rediculously low purely in error, we would have a situation I believe close to what occured with DLRC. Now, I might still give the customer the coin at the wrong price after I expained to the customer what occured and if the customer still wanted it for the wrong price -well - we know what kind of customer he is. My wife would also feel so bad about it, I wouldn't have to say a word to her. This is exactly why ONLY I quote prices off my website, even if I lose a deal or two because the customer does not receive an immediate response. Now, if I concluded the customer's INTENT was to defaud me, I might take a different approach. I BELIEVE NEARLY EVERYONE HERE BELIEVES DLRC HAD NO INTENTION TO DEFRAUD ANYONE - IT WAS SIMPLY AN HONEST CLERICAL ERROR. Of course, I would feel differently about the DLRC issue if I thought they were INTENTIONALLY DEFRAUDING SOMEONE- I am comfortable believing they had NO INTENT to defraud anyone based upon my personal dealings with that outfit.
2. If my memory serves me right, WWQ already wrote up several apology threads to Don concerning this 39(s) quarter - if so, that discussion is over and all was forgiven already
3. RE: MANOFCOINS EBAY AUCTIONS: Yes, I have noticed that Craig may, during the course of an auction, where there have been no bids, change the opening bid or other features of his auction on a particular coin. I BELIEVE, THIS IS TOTALLY WITHIN THE EBAY RULES AND HE IS 100% FINE IN DOING SO. Craig is a pure "collector". He may post a coin up on ebay and be told by one or more dealers he works with that his opening bid appears way too high or way too low. Craig may opt to change the opening bid, then, may wake up the next day and decide he doesn't want to part with his coin at the new lower price (or even that the price needs to be higher because he is uncomfortable selling it at the initial level he created). And, where there have been no bids - WHAT EXACTLY IS THE PROBLEM HERE? A pure collector like Craig is the perfect type of ebay seller who may elect to adjust his opening bids or pull coins. Of course, if a pure Wash quarter dealer posted a coin at one price, changed it the next day to another, then again to another, etc. - a few collectors might legitamately question what the heck is going on. But, since when is a collector not free to change the opening bids on ebay prior to a bid? Come on WWQ - admit that was a weak argument
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