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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Did you hear Bush tonight?
    He said they have no resolve or fortitude.
    That picture is a good example.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • Snake...As soon as I start feeling like I'm fed up to here with you......You make me smile!

    GREAT PIC!!!!!!!!!!!

    Almost makes me want to buy one of your overpriced coins!image
    Toast on
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Do you know why they don't have fireworks shows in France?
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Thanks, Toast!
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Do you know why they don't have fireworks shows in France?

    No, why?
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Because every time the fireworks go off, the French army surrenders.
  • Snake...You KNOW you should post a nice coin on E-Bay France and use that pic as an underlay.......

    Heck...I'll even bid on it!
    Toast on
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    That would be pretty funny. I don't know how to do overlays in Adobe Photoshop.
  • Print it out and put a junk coin on top of if and submit to Ebay France....As far as a price goes just start it out as "Paris".

    Wouldn't be suprised to see it on the cover of the "Times" lol...

    Toast on
  • My theory on the French is they have fought so many wars for so long that they don't have much
    of a gene pool left, hence retards are in control of the country. Give them 200 years to recuperate
    and they will be ready for the 21st century.image
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    1966-1971
  • "Snake...You KNOW you should post a nice coin on E-Bay France and use that pic as an underlay......."

    That would be too funny!

    Adrian:

    You could auction one of "OUR" platinum proofs. You know, the one with that stautue's head on the obverse. You could "pose" the coin just above "the" tower, like a full moon lookin' down on it! You could also say that the coin will be discontinued because of the "french face" and that many are gettin' de-faced, leadin' to scarcity! image

    Don

    FULL Heads RULE!
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    I prefer Newsweek. Ok,....i'll have to find a French coin. I think they all ran away.
  • You could auction one of "OUR" platinum proofs................

    OMG......Perfect.....Just perfect...You know you would be a True American Hero......I bet you get a medal fron GB himself!


    ANACONDA FOR AMBASSADOR TO FRANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ANACONDA FOR AMBASSADOR TO FRANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ANACONDA FOR AMBASSADOR TO FRANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ANACONDA FOR AMBASSADOR TO FRANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    I just remembered something funny. I met one of the Dixie Chicks. It was at one of my wife's fencing competitions at SMU about 8 years
    ago. The Dixie Chick was a spectator. No lie.
  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323
    Yeah, those stupid Frenchies, let's all rally around Lady Liberty and bash them:

    image

    A little background if you ain't ejicated enuff to git tha joke. image

    Whatever you think of the official French policy, resorting to calling the French people names doesn't reflect well on America.

    Would you want to be judged by the actions of Bush? If yes, how about Clinton?



    (BTW, there's an Open Forum for this kind of thing, and you don't even have to put "OT" in your title.)
  • ERER Posts: 7,345
    If anyone of you write a letter of support to our troops, ask them, once they finish reading, just turn the letter over and look at the back to see the color of the French flag.
    Heeh! Heeh! Heeh!
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Supercoin....thanks for the advice....anything else?
  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323
    Yes, don't shake hands with a contortionist.

    (I dunno, first thing that came to mind.)
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hey, the french have done us some good, look at Lafayette, and the statue, and fries.

    but you got to admit, its been a couple hundred years since they were any good in a war.

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • Forget the fact that Germany (and virtually every other country in the world) have refused to be pulled into Bush's folly.
  • Isn't the current alliance made up of the US, Britain, Australia and Spain ?

    How many countries are there, 170 ish ??
    My eBay Items

    I love Ike dollars and all other dollar series !!!

    I also love Major Circulation Strike Type Sets, clad Washingtons ('65 to '98) and key date coins !!!!!

    If ignorance is bliss, shouldn't we have more happy people ??
  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    By the way, if you look at history, the French have always been slow to respond to world events. The last time the French clued in that something might be wrong was in the late 30's when the German Army was sipping coffee in Paris.

    Tbig
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Well, if we had a crystal ball, everything would be clear, wouldn't it?

    But we don't. So our leaders have to make educated guesses based upon likely scenarios.

    History often repeats itself. Those who don't learn from history suffer the consequences.

    We could rid Iraq of their dictator and kill a few others in the process....probably fewer than Saddam would kill on his own in the next decade.

    Or we could wait around until he does what he essentially has threatened to do, which is what he seemingly did to his own people.

    We're a superpower. We should act like one. It's a good thing we're the superpower and not someone....oh....like....France!

    But yes, the fact that we are not supported by the rest of the world worries me. And the fact that a lot of oil is in Iraq....and not in North Korea...and the fact that boys are likely to want to not make the same mistakes as their Dads......
  • Supercoin.....

    Not to late to pack your bags and become a human shield in Iraq.

    (Supercoin in Iraq listening to the Dixie Chicks while an American tank is coming at him).

    UMMMMM....LIKE HEY STOP!!!!! LIKE I WAS ONLY JOKING...HEY QUIT IT!!!! DONT RUN ME OVE.....AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.



    Squish is not a friendly sound.
    Toast on
  • WWWWWW Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭
    An interesting analysis that I happen to concur with:
    What does France want?
  • But yes, the fact that we are not supported by the rest of the world worries me. And the fact that a lot of oil is in Iraq....and not in North Korea...and the fact that boys are likely to want to not make the same mistakes as their Dads......

    Could be wrong here but when was the last time we asked permission from the French, Russians, Germans and the Chinese to defend ourselves.....

    Oh.......NEVER.....

    And the last time they asked us for permission? Hmmmmmmmmmm...this could be a tough one...

    Anyone have an answer?
    Toast on
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    I read somewhere that the primary reason(s) that France and Russia strongly oppose the demise of the current Iraqi regime via force is because they are both significant suppliers of weapons and biological and chemical materials used to produce weapons to Iraq. Can anyone confirm if this is fact?
  • WWWWWW Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭

    "France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these
    drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by
    prostitutes."
    ---Mark Twain

    "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a
    French one behind me."
    --- General George S. Patton

    "Going to war without France is like going deer hunting
    without your accordion."
    --Norman Schwartzkopf

    "We can stand here like the French, or we can do something
    about it."
    ---- Marge Simpson

    "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure"
    ---Jacques Chirac, President of France

    "As far as France is concerned, you're right."
    ---Rush Limbaugh,

    "The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is
    sitting in Paris sipping coffee."
    --- Regis Philbin

    "The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any
    better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit
    outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more
    stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I
    don't know."
    --- P.J O'Rourke (1989)

    "You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the
    1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the
    face for it."
    ---John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona

    "You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he
    hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He is French, people."
    --Conan O'Brien

    "I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get
    Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans
    out of France!"
    ---Jay Leno

    "The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came
    marching into Paris under a German flag."
    --David Letterman

    How many Frenchmen does it take to change a light bulb? One.
    He holds the bulb and all of Europe revolves around him.
    Next time there's a war in Europe, the loser has to keep France
  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323
    cointoast, you're retarded.

    [Edited to note: Unlike the sweeping generalization of "retarded" applied to the French populace earlier, this one is directed at an individual who has displayed ample evidence of deserving the description.]
  • Anaconda-

    Somehow I once felt that this whole thing was somehow tied to the great war on terrorism formented by Islamic fundamentalist forces. Sadaam is about as far from an Islamic fundamentalist as you can get. We take him out and put in our own puppet. At some point we'll pull our troops out and rest assured that, whomever the puppets are, they'll be a lot easier for the Islamic fundamentalist forces to overthrow than Sadaam is. They have threatened and continue to threaten every government from Uzbeckistan to Chechnia and south into Africa.

    Supposedly we're saving the world from Sadaam's 'weapons of mass destruction.' Ooh I'm scared of his weapons of mass destruction! The fact that Pakistan and India both have nuclear weapons pointed at each other and each have their fingers on the triggers doesn't seem to give anyone pause for concern but we're going after those empty shell casings in Iraq.

    It's insanity pure insanity.
  • Dragon...You are correct sir...Not to mention that the French supplied Iraq with info during Desert Storm and it's no secret that they stand to lose 5 billion plus next week.


    Toast on
  • Supercoin...Like I said...Not to late to become a human shield if you REALLY feel that strongly about it.

    Please send my condolences to your friends in Germany and France on another defeat.

    I'm sure you will get used to wearing e turban and the shin splints from marching to Saddams cadence will surely go away after a bit.

    I wish you and your brotherern well.
    Toast on
  • The french helped sadam build Irac's only nuclear reactor. I read where the only casualty when the Isrealies took it out was a french scientist who was there on the weekend. The Isrealies, as I understand, hit it on a weekend to keep the casualties to a minimum.
    FULL Heads RULE!
  • Maybe Supercoin is a French scientist?

    Super- Traitor is more like it.
    Toast on
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    abuell said:

    "whomever the puppets are, they'll be a lot easier for the Islamic fundamentalist forces to overthrow than Sadaam is"

    Well, we'll just have to take out the Islamic Fundamentalists if they threaten us, just like we took out Al Quaida in Afghanistan.

    And, most importantly, the Islamic Fundamentalists that replace Sadaam won't have weapons of mass destruction for quite a while.

    (As an aside,....."abuell"..... isn't a Buell an motorcycle related entity? Customizes Harleys or something??)

    adrian
  • HadleydogHadleydog Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭
    WWW, that compilation is beautiful! Thanks.image
    The French are wussy's!
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    "Ooh I'm scared of his weapons of mass destruction!"

    Good. Anthrax is not a good thing and neither is smallpox or any of the other little microbes Sadaam was frothing.
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    WWW, that compilation is beautiful! Thanks. <http://forums.collectors.com/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif&gt;

    Ditto.
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570


    The French could still make an important contribution to the war effort if they send their top military advisers to Iraq and instruct them in the fine art of surrender.
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  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323
    cointoast, I'm missing the leap of logic from me saying that we shouldn't judge all the French people by the actions of their leaders, to me being a French-scientist-super-traitor Saddam-sympathizing human-shield martyr?

    But then, I'm not retarded, maybe that would help. image

    Not very entertaining or creative trolling. Toast off.
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Yes, Buell is owned by Harley and they make sport type bikes. The Harley dealer I go to also sells Buells, as do many other Harley dealers.
  • Quite frankly I am far more concerned with the weapons of mass destruction that are in my own backyard - like the leaky nuclear waste that's seeping into the ground at Hanford nuclear reservation or the thousands (or millions) of chemical weapons at the Umatilla (Or.) Army weapons depot.
  • HadleydogHadleydog Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭
    The French could still make an important contribution to the war effort if they send their top military advisers to Iraq and instruct them in the fine art of surrender. image
  • Anaconda -

    Abel Buell, early American medalist and diesinker, created the dies for many of the Connecticut coppers and the Fugio coppers. Developed the process of sinking dies by means of a complex hub, a process that would not be duplicated by the US mint until the 1830's with the introduction of steam power.
  • SuperTraitor: Your post is what I expected. Let's give the other guy the benifit of the doubt until someone disagrees with me. Then I'll play stupid.....

    Kinda funny really.....A member of my family (including me) has served in every conflict since WW1 to defend your right to complain about my country.

    Toast on
  • WWWWWW Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭
    From Today's NY Post:
    March 17, 2003 -- REMEMBER Saddam Hussein?
    Yes, the man the Iraqis call "The Vampire" (al-Saffah). Six months ago, he
    was the arch-villain of the global stage. How was he transformed into a
    damsel in distress with veto-wielding knights rushing to the rescue?

    A diabolical use, or misuse, of language beyond what even Orwell and
    Koestler imagined.

    *

    Legally speaking, Saddam's regime is in a state of war with the United
    Nations, and has been since Aug. 2, 1990. (He did sign a ceasefire, which he
    has violated, but that does not end the state of war.)

    Yet all we hear now is about the "Bush-Blair war against Iraq." Though not a
    shot has been fired, the phrase is not qualified as "possible," "projected"
    or "probable."

    For the don't-touch-Saddam lobby, that war is already on, and is being waged
    not against the tyrant but against Iraqi "women and children."

    *

    The new Newspeak has also transformed Hans Blix's mission from
    "verification" into "inspection."

    "Let the inspectors do their work" is the slogan for the don't-touch-Saddam
    lobby. But when it comes to deciding what is it that the Blix team is
    supposed to do, there is no clear answer.

    At times, the Swede is presented as a detective looking for a "smoking gun."
    At other times, he is looked upon as a lawyer interpreting the hermetic
    pronouncements of Amer al-Saadi (the Iraqi general in charge of making Blix
    dance to Saddam's tune).

    And at still other times, Blix is cast in the role of judge and jury and
    pressed to decide matters that the Security Council members lack the courage
    to decide. Blix, of course, is not playing the game: He will never say "yes"
    or " no" to the crucial question of whether or not Saddam will disarm.

    *

    Language also hides the true intentions of the players in this game.

    Bush and Blair know that the only way to disarm Iraq is to change its
    regime, gain control of its military codes and thus find the full picture of
    its death machine. They know that no nation was ever disarmed unless it was
    [first] defeated and occupied or through mutual accords with other nations.
    The Iraqi case, therefore, is unique: expecting a nation to disarm against
    its will but without an occupation. It never happened in history and never
    will. Yet Blair and Bush continue to say that Saddam will be disarmed "one
    way or another," as if there were a thousand ways to achieve that goal.

    At the opposite side of the debate, Jacques Chirac and Gerhard Schroeder
    insist that Iraq is already disarming, and needs more time. Neither,
    however, is prepared to say how much time is needed. Like bargain hunters in
    an Oriental bazaar, both haggle about months but secretly hope that Saddam
    will be in his palace long after George W has left the White House.

    In the 1990s it took South Africa 30 months to dismantle its weapons of mass
    destruction, including an advanced nuclear program. Ukraine did it in 22
    months; Kazakhstan, in 18.

    Saddam Hussein has had more than 140 months.

    *

    The new Newspeak also uses the word "diplomacy" to mean anything and
    nothing. Chirac and Schroeder have a long list of what the United States and
    Britain should or should not do. But they have put no concrete demand to
    Saddam Hussein.

    Not surprisingly, the tyrant sees no reason why he should change his so-far
    successful policy of cheat-and-retreat. Having first come when Richard Nixon
    was in the White House, Saddam has a different understanding of time than
    Western politicians biting their nails about the next election.

    *

    Few people wish to notice one tiny fact: Saddam has never formally accepted
    any of the Security Council resolutions, including the latest, 1441. In
    every case, he had one of his junior officials send a letter to the U.N.
    secretary-general saying that Iraq would "cope with" (in the Arabic version,
    "confront") the resolution. Every time - including when Secretary-General
    Kofi Annan signed his "historic" accord in Baghdad in 1998 - the United
    Nations was taken in because it wanted to be taken in.

    Over the past 12 years, Saddam has also made a number of declarations,
    including one to relinquish his claim on Kuwait and to commit his regime to
    peaceful coexistence with neighbors. But none of those declarations were
    submitted to the formal process needed to give them legal status.

    The latest example of Saddam's declaratory tricks came last month, when he
    announced that individual Iraqi citizens and private companies were banned
    from acquiring or developing weapons of mass destruction.

    French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin immediately hailed the
    declaration as a victory for French diplomacy. What he did not wish to
    notice was that the so-called ban concerned only individuals and private
    firms in a country where no individual could own a donkey cart without state
    authorization, and where most private companies are owned by Saddam's clan.
    In any case, Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are acquired and developed
    by state-owned companies, not in the local pizza parlor.

    Even then, Saddam's declaration has not been submitted to the various organs
    of the executive and the legislative to become law.

    *

    Another linguistic trick of the don't-touch-Saddam lobby is to talk of "the
    few remaining problems." Iraq's long list of obligations under the various
    U.N. resolutions, and the ceasefire accords of 1991, is reduced to a single
    issue: eliminating weapons of mass destruction.

    That, in turn, is further reduced to the 29 questions that Blix has
    addressed to the Iraqis. (One could think of 10 times as many that need to
    be answered. If Blix wants any, he can email this reporter.)

    We are then told that these questions should be transformed into
    "benchmarks" so that "precise tasks" can be set for Saddam to perform in
    fixed periods. The trick is to trigger another exercise in hermeneutics.

    *

    For 12 years we have been fighting over the meaning of the various
    resolutions, and the threat of "serious consequences" that most contain. We
    could fight another 12 years over what each "benchmark" means and whether or
    not Saddam has performed any of his "precise tasks."

    The Security Council is often dismissed as a "debating society." It is not
    even that. We all remember debating societies from our school days. There,
    the debate would be about a proposition, with those speaking for or against
    knowing what they were talking about.

    Here is one proposition that could be debated with clarity: Iraq cannot be
    disarmed without regime change.

    Amir Taheri, Iranian author and journalist, is based in Europe.
  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323
    First I'd heard of Abel Buell too, but here's some interesting info about him. Quite a character!
  • Super-Traitor.....

    For some odd reason I have a feeling you know the words to the Canadian National Anthem....

    Care to humm a few bars?????
    Toast on
  • Supercoin-

    Nice link - thanks. For an excellent, though non-numismatic, biography see: Wroth, Lawrence, Abel Buell of Connecticut (Wesleyan University Press, 1958).

    The biography was originally published in a limoted edition of 102 copies by the Acorn Club of Connecticut in 1926.
  • ERER Posts: 7,345
    The good old U.S. of A.! The greatest country in the world, despite its many problems.
    Nearly 227 years of freedom, liberty, democracy, and the right to pursue happiness. Can any other countries currently on the face of this planet claim a longer-running form of government? We must be doing something right. Coming from another country 28 years ago, and now a naturalized US citizen, I truly understand and cherish the freedom in this country. There are forces of evil all over trying to destroy this great nation. We must stand up to them.

    Thank you to all who have fought and died or are still living, and those who are about to lay down their lives, to defend freedom and liberty. You have my deepest and most sincere grattitude.

    Never forget 9-11.

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