From PCGS slab to PCGS bodybag...

parkave

I had the pleasure of doing a trade for a 1955 DDO Lincoln last week. My MS63RD for a MS64RB (old green label holder circa 1989 and a check for the difference. At Baltimore I decided the coin was really nice enough to crack and submit for an MS65 (although perhaps MS65BN). The coin came back a few hours later in a body bag, PVC residue.

I could have accepted a downgrade, a same grade (worth the $100 show fee) or of course an upgrade but never in my wildest dreams did I think the coin, that went from "crack" to "sack" (polybag that is) would ever bodybag due to PVC residue. Keep in mind it was in a PCGS holder for over a decade.

Makes me wonder about copper coins in holder (again!) I know the PVC grows over time, but I didnt think it would inside the slab. I sent it back for review, asking to point out the PVC residue. I'm not optimistic, but cant hurt to ask!

YOUR THOUGHTS?

1955 DDO OBV

1955 DDO REV

SLAB

braddick

Tough call. It appears to have "lost" its R/B and gone to full Brown. Maybe (?!) the PVC had something to do with this?
Too bad it couldn't have gone in for review under PCGS's copper guarantee first.

Pushkin

RotatedRainbows

I had the same thing happen a number of years ago to a 82-CC Morgan that was in a old rattler holder so I doubt if it was something that developed over time. Most likely it was slabbed with PVC the first time like my Morgan was.

Dog97

I wouldn't swear it's pvc but agree something is going on with it that looks like damage. It looks enviromental to me but it could be cleaned pvc.

That's what happens when you crack a slab, all bets are off and anything can happen. Unless a collector really knows his coins he should use the Regrade Service where the coin stays in the slab.

Coins will indeed change in a slab. There's the proof, but it took 8-12 years to change because that's how long ago it was holdered.

It doesn't look like a good upgrade candidate to me. What did you see in it?

benloe

One of the many hazzards of collecting copper. Very sorry for your loss.

banknote1

It does look like something in in the fields on the coin. It could be PVC? Maybe acetone could remove the residue? If the coin was mine, I would send it to NCS, and see if they could do something.

roadrunner

A friend of mine has a slabbed UNC 55/55 DDO with light green PVC in the obverse lettering around 1:00. He was concerned that it shouldn't even be in the slab but has yet to get around to doing anything with it as far as PCGS is concerned.

roadrunner

Elcontador

You have to be very picky with your copper. On occasion, I've seen slabbed PCGS & NGC MS 65 Large & IHCs with verdigris, PVC, or corrosion. I am concerned that a coin as new as yours is having a PVC problem.

Also, from the image, it is clearly a BN coin. Sorry about your situation.

Outhaul

Wow...bummer.

This is the exact reason that I leave well enough alone and not crack my coins out.

Cheers,

Bob

FatMan

A lesson for all.........The break-out game is a double edged sword.

jeffnpcb

I've got two '55 DDO's in AU-53 and AU-58. They are fairly new ANACS slabs. Should I be worried and try to prevent an early demise? And what action would I take?
Bob, I'm starting to feel your pain!

sinin1

Bummer, what once was could be once again


submit, submit, submit, again, again, again


bummer though -

keets

hey bob

those 55 DDO's are hard not to like!!! just like the 83 reverse, it drives me nuts to be able to see the doubling so clearly without any aid. but.......

looking at the holdered coin it's hard to imagine that you would believe the coin to even have a chance at anything besides BN in whatever grade, so i would wonder why it wasn't submitted in the holder for at least that downgrade. PCGS would have had a hard time not reholdering it at the same grade but BN and they would have been forced to buy back the coin and at least make you whole.

one thing i'm coming to believe is that the majority of upgrade candidate green holdered coins are gone. most of what i see left in those holders is dissappointing. the same holds true for the majority of the smaller first generation rattlers. about the only winning i see in them is where they haven't been designated as CAM/DCAM or FS, FBL and so on. as far as grade, i don't see much worth the chance.

al h.