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ANA members - will you quit ANA if ACG prevails and Barry Stuppler is expelled?

ms71ms71 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
I thought it would be interesting to see the likely reaction of forum members who are also ANA members if Barry Stuppler were to be expelled as a result of AccuGag's recent complaint, which is to be heard on March 20th (with a result expected by March 23rd).
I will terminate my ANA membership immediately should that happen. I do not want to be part of an organization that takes the position that someone cannot speak out against the effect of an "operation" like AccuGag on the hobby.
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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    maybe we should write an amicus curie brief to the court, with attached photos of accucrap slabs. The truth is always a defense. As far as the ANA goes, I can understand their hesitancy to do anything about ACG until there is concrete proof. What would be funny to me is if ACG loses and it gives the ANA the ability to boot them out. A nice case of backfiring on ACG.
    Doug
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've already sent them an e-mail on that. You bet I would! The fact that the ANA would even consider entertaining AccuCrap's complaint proves just exactly how spineless they really are. They know that AccuCrap is junk and that they are the laughingstock of the coin industry. But they choose to bury their heads in the sand and say nothing. What a bunch of pansy-assed tits.

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  • I would have to see what the board decides. You seriously think they will side with ACG. I think not.

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  • jeffnpcbjeffnpcb Posts: 1,943
    imageNot just no, But H*LL NO! Read the report on ASA-ACCUGRADE home page in response to a PNG-ITCA{half way down on the right}. Give me a full report on what has Stuppler has done to start this action!

    Opinions are one thing, slander and libel are another. I want to see a report and not support and allegations before I make that decision! Quiting ANA will hand over the keys to the vault to all other coin graders. Read the reports on Halperin and Hall from the FTC and follow up on the others before making that decision.
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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think being "pansy-assed tits" are a lot cheaper than hitting things head on. Maybe Stuppler can prove enough in court so that the ANA can take a stand without worrying about being sued by Mr. Litigation breath. Have you hired a lawyer lately? I'm one, and I can't afford the ones I have!
    Doug
  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759

    If they are actually going to hold a hearing to consider ACG's case, I would never consider joining the ANA! There, is that good enough!

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  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    There would be no reason to even threaten this. There is virtually no chance that this will turn into an expulsion for Barry. However, it may turn into a very embarassing situation for ACG.
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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    I don't see a reason to decide until after. And I believe the ANA must do this hearing according to their bylaws. They probably don't have a choice. But it would be interesting if this is actually something the ANA wants to be a precursor to taking action against ACG.

    After all, has anyone actually challenged ACG before the ANA?
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    However, it may turn into a very embarassing situation for ACG.

    Julian's right. This is a great opportunity for the opponents of ACG. I'm very curious to see how this unfolds!
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,415 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only real benefit is to get free admission to coin shows - why give that up??
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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The only real benefit is to get free admission to coin shows - why give that up?? >>

    Discounts on ANA seminars are also significant as well as some discounts on ANA videos.
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    I would be very disappointed if Mr. Stuppler is expelled for speaking his mind about ACG. I do not have the facts as to what Mr. Stuppler is actually accused, so at this time I would be unable to make a blanket statement regarding my quitting the ANA. I feel that the ANA is actually going to perform a positive function in that through this hearing there will be a documented record of previous unscrupulous ACG behaviors. I can't wait for the gavel to fall for this meeting. Let the truth be heard.
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am an ANA lifetime member. I would rather stay in and make everyone's life miserable.

    Any links to this updated story?
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  • danglendanglen Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭
    Every organization is entitled to do something stupid every once in a while (levying fines on dealers for leaving coin shows early comes to mind), but the jury is far from in on this topic. Regardless of the outcome, I would not give up my membership in the ANA. I might work hard to get someone else elected if they did something I didn't like, but to leave the organization would be the easy way out. After all, it is OUR organization! image
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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    I would think all that would be required would be to allow some of the holdered coins as evidence. Didn't someone have one with the mintmark rattling around in the holder that ACG refused not to address?
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  • wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    MS71:
    It does not even have to be an expulsion, if any action is taken against Barry, including a repramand,
    I will leave promptly. I will not support an organization that gives credit to the demonic forces of evil, its bad enough that the demon advertises in the Numismatist.


    Brian.
  • I would think that there's nearly no possibility that Mr. Stuppler would get kicked off of the ANA board...
    The reason the ANA is having this hearing is that it is required and it's a service to their members who have complaints...That's another reason to join the ANA, not one to keep from joining...
  • I read the link to ebay where Barry got all over ACG. I may get flamed but I don't think as an ANA Governor he sholud have publicly done what he did. I dislike ACG myself and I would love to see them go down. But I don't think he has gone about it correctly. I have been a member of the ANA for over 30 years and I don't plan to quit now, regardless of how this goes down...
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  • I'm going to Charlotte and plan to attend the hearing if it's open (which I hear it is). While the Hagers meay be within their rights to file this complaint, I think it's really going to backfire on them.
    Will Rossman
    Peak Numismatics
    Monument, CO
  • AskariAskari Posts: 3,713
    I really hope that it does backfire on the Hagers!! Certainly the ANA (and others) have been loathe to do battle with them to date on behalf of the collecting public. I would like to think this offers the ANA a chance to let ACG show its true colors -- AT -- and without looking like they were picking on them. The Hagers were foolish enough to file ... I wonder if they'll wake up in time to save their gravy train operation?
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  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    As for me personally - it won't affect me one bit. I will go on getting the magazine and using the library regardless of what political stuff happens.
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  • MadMonkMadMonk Posts: 3,743
    I quit last year specifically because my opinion is that they have no back-bone, and seem to let money guide all the decisions regardless of moral implications.
    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
  • GilbertGilbert Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭
    "Regardless of the outcome, I would not give up my membership in the ANA. I might work hard to get someone else elected if they did something I didn't like, but to leave the organization would be the easy way out. After all, it is OUR organization!"


    "It does not even have to be an expulsion, if any action is taken against Barry, including a repramand,
    I will leave promptly. I will not support an organization that ..."

    You are the organization.

    I will not give up my membership. I am anxiously awaiting the particulars of this hearing AND my ballot.

    "I read the link to ebay where Barry got all over ACG. I may get flamed but I don't think as an ANA Governor he sholud have publicly done what he did."

    Banknote, what did he do, and more importantly to me is, did this link/auction/statement indicate
    Barry Stuppler
    ANA Governor?
    Gilbert
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  • GilbertGilbert Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭
    Okay?

    It was a bit confusing to follow in that format, but, unless I missed something, it doesn't even look like Barry's auction.
    Maybe it's an auction for the Magazine published by Barry in which he's printed some articles regarding ACG? Maybe I'm just confused, but, in any event: I still don't see anything whereby "Barry" states anything about ACG AND associates himself with being on the ANA Board of Governors.

    Are you saying that if I particpate in one of his auctions, or a purchase on his website (neither of which states his position in ANA) that he should be prohibited from expressing any negative opinion regarding his experiences with a grading service?

    I question the appropriateness of the ACG bounty offer!
    Gilbert
  • MercMerc Posts: 1,646 ✭✭
    I have been asked to join the ANA a few time in the past year. I told each person no. I told them I will join when they return the $3000 check they received from Hagar and expose ACG.
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  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    He won't be. This "hearing" is a joke.
  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    If the ANA gave $3000 to Barry, I may rejoin. image
  • parkaveparkave Posts: 109
    There is something to be said about restraint of tongue and pen.
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  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323
    I can't quit -- because I already quit after the infamous ACG donation check photo op.

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