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THINK I WILL SEND MY COINS TO NGC

DSH1963DSH1963 Posts: 282
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GLAD I FOUND THIS PLACE BEFORE SUBMITTING MY COINS
after all the talk about finger prints overgrading, undergrading,
and the constant flaming of Hall and his owning pcgs and a large coin
shop.
I think your odds are better at ngc and you might even get the grade you
expected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GRUMPY OLD MAN
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  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    You too???
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    Just because there are posts on the subject, it dosen't mean it is a widespread epidemic. People here lately have gotten on the bandwagon and have begun bashing PCGS. I think they (PCGS) are doing great, and I have't had a problem.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    More grading for me at PCGs!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Bartender!! May I have a glass of Kook-Aid, please? image
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    More grading for me at PCGs!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    The big three are great. I submitt to all three for different reasons.
    As long as you stick to them you'll be fine, its when you wonder off that creates problems.


    Ooopps, ACG and NTC might be listening???!!!image

    Brian.
  • dwooddwood Posts: 821
    This should come as no surprise to anyone. DSH is right, and one has to wonder how many others have been given the same impression lately.
    dwood

    "France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    More PCGs grading for me!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    We heard Lucy.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • DSH1963DSH1963 Posts: 282
    Thanks DWOOD that is what Iwas trying to get across!
    GRUMPY OLD MAN
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Bartender!! May I have a glass of Kool-Aid, please? image
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭


    << <i>We heard Lucy. >>



    Batch after batch after batch!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just because there are posts on the subject, it dosen't mean it is a widespread epidemic. People here lately have gotten on the bandwagon and have begun bashing PCGS. I think they (PCGS) are doing great, and I have't had a problem.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahaha (or however Russ spells it)!!!

    Please pass the Kool-Aid, and don't forget to urinate into it.

    If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ... if you still don't think it's a duck, then there's not much left to say!

    Does anyone here know when the French finally realized that their powerful neighbor across the Rhine was really evil? When their Panzers rolled into Paris the Summer of 1940. That's how blind the French were.

    EVP

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

    I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com

  • CoinAddictCoinAddict Posts: 5,571 ✭
    Hey Lucy are you a broken record?
    All I hear is you repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    Lucy now look what you have done. All I can say is over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
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  • banknote1banknote1 Posts: 206
    Well, I can say (IMO) that PCGS has tightened up a full point on Morgan Dollars. I must give their customer service a cudo. They were friendly and did call me back. But I think I will use NGC from now on! But I will be on the lookout for recently PCGS graded MS64 and MS65 Morgans!!
    Banned for Life from The Evil Empire™!
    Looking for Nationals, Large VF to AU type, 1928 Gold, and WWII Emergency notes. Also a few nice Buffalo Nickels and Morgan Dollars.
    Monty...
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    My Kool AID has some Tequila, its sorta a Margarita Cross....... More batches to PCGs!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    More ms66fbl's for me!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I think all three of the big grading services have these same issues to some extent. When handling coins finger prints will happen sometimes- there is no getting around this. The undergrading and overgrading has always been an issue and alway's will be. I think David Hall has done a fine job defening himself with so many ready to flame him- much better than I could have done. It has been open public knowledge that PCGS and DHRC are together. I like NGC and PCGS they are both fine services along with ANACS- I don't think you could go wrong with sending your coins to either service. Mike
  • ursabearursabear Posts: 1,888
    I work and collect on a fairly small playing field where the dollar investments are not super-high.

    But with that said, I've been very satisfied with my PCGS results and customer service to date. The few problems I've had have been handled in a very professional way. I have seen (mostly) consistent grading and handling of both my retail and collection coins.

    My collecting life was not as good as it has been since I joined these forums. Also, PCGS has definitely made my extra-income home business much better, as well.

    By the way, welcome to the forums!

    The pod grows... image
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    Just because there are posts on the subject, it dosen't mean it is a widespread epidemic. People here lately have gotten on the bandwagon and have begun bashing PCGS. I think they (PCGS) are doing great, and I have't had a problem.

    Sorry, but how many coins do you submit? Hard to have a problem when you submit 5 coins a year.

    Don't take this the wrong way, but you're a PCGS apologizer. Nothing wrong with that. You're also going to be a PCGS intern soon. Hardly an objective eye.

    Please, don't make me add "Good Guys are blind" to my sig.
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    A PCGs Apologist.... Hmmmmm...... PCGs rules!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭


    << <i>My Kool AID has some Tequila, its sorta a Margarita Cross....... More batches to PCGs! >>




    When? After posting the submission with the MS-62 & 63 Franklins we haven't seen anything since. Except for the '62 PR-64 DCAM Franklin you sent on Russ' submission.

    I'm looking forward to seeing some of those monster FBL's you say you've been picking up at different shops. Please let us see a new submission # and your expected grades. Maybe even some super pictures?! image
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Please, don't make me add "Good Guys are blind" to my sig.

    How about: "True Good Guys think objectively."

    EVP

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

    I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com

  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    I have many submission which are none of your buisness Mike DCAMFranklin, PCGs has been very good to me. Say, how about you sharing yours? How about one of your mighty Ebay auctions? How about even a picture of a coin?
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    I'm not sending anything to PCGS as economy. All my <$300 coins have been going to NGC. I will still use PCGS for coins over $300. My beef with PCGS is their current listed 50 day turnaround time. NGC's is 21 business days. That is just not acceptable when you are having them graded to sell. Now, if PCGS goes back to the kind of service they had last year (check out #3043402) then I will switch back to PCGS for all my coins. Right now I have twenty at PCGS (#9003437) and no telling when these will be graded.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Well The Hep Kitty and Ursa Bear and Bear are staying with PCGS. I have even purchased some neat

    coins from DHRC. All of these issues will be worked out ,either voluntary or unvoluntary. In any event

    enjoy your coins, enjoy the comradship and lets all lighten up a bit. With a war looming over the

    horizen and with more and more Forum members being called to duty ,to go in harms way,we have

    much bigger things to be concerned about . This topic has been the flavor of the week and now ,

    perhaps its time to get back to some plain vanilla ice cream flavor. Bear
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭


    << <i>I have many submission which are none of your buisness Mike DCAMFranklin, PCGs has been very good to me. Say, how about you sharing yours? How about one of your mighty Ebay auctions? How about even a picture of a coin? >>




    I wasn't trying to start anything. Sorry you took it that way. I was just hoping to see some of your results. Sorry you think I was "intruding" on some secret! Ex-cuuuuuuse me. I'll not ask again. Seems it is a sensitive area for you.

    Oh, just so you know, you and your buddy PEPPERDOODLES, Forum Member Doops, still have the name wrong. So just let it go. Your baiting has become tiresome.
  • numispronumispro Posts: 103
    I'll still be sending coins to both services. It's only good business.
    And, when PCGS get a couple of kinks worked out, they will probably be getting half of my biz again.

    Hope it's soon!
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Just as your being nosey is very tiresome, so mind your own buisness.......
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Lucy, Have no fear, the little bear will protect your Frankies.

    A few jelly donuts would be pleasent though.
    image
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • kaleidoscopickaleidoscopic Posts: 159
    I haven't submitted anything this year. I don't intend to in the near future either. I typically slab up to 120 coins a year the last few.

    Funny thing is, Dorkkarl is impressing a few ideas regarding slabbed material. Oh my!

    I also get a kick out of the ass kissers for this place. Kscope
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    PCGs Rules!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • DSH1963DSH1963 Posts: 282
    LUCY DO YOU WORK FOR PCGS OR DHRC
    GRUMPY OLD MAN
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭


    << <i>LUCY DO YOU WORK FOR PCGS OR DHRC >>



    I am looking to interview for the Frankie finalizer! All ms66's and 67's must be HepKitty approved... I keep calling Mr. HepDaddyHall but the phone keeps going dead?
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    For those of you that are looking for GOOD grades, send them to ACG..............................Ken.....As for me, PCGS......Sounds like there will be lots of room.........But then, a lot of the noise we have been hearing the last couple of days is.........JUST NOISE
  • vam44vam44 Posts: 291 ✭
    Glug,glug glug...AAAHHHHHHHH! More Kool-aid,please,Homerunhall!!!image
    A dealer once asked me if I noticed any three-legged buffalos on the bourse,to which I replied,"...no,but I saw alot of two-legged jackasses..."
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭


    << <i>More Kool-aid,please,Homerunhall!!! >>



    Spiked with Tequila and its HepDaddyHall.........
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • waynemewayneme Posts: 852 ✭
    your coins are worth more on the market in a PCGS
    but it's up to you on who you submit to
  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759 ✭

    The original poster said:

    I think your odds are better at ngc and you might even get the grade you expected!!!!!!!!!

    Gee, maybe I should crack all my PCGS MS64 and MS65 Peace $s, submit them to NGC, get a point higher, and sell them for thousands more on ebay!

    With people doing stuff like that, I think I'll stick with buying PCGS coins!

    JJacks
    Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    JJacks,

    Have you ever tried to cross a coin from PCGS to NGC?
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • VonZipperVonZipper Posts: 707
    I think LucyBop is trying to bebop her way to the most posts ever made in PCGS history. imageimageimage

    Pennies make dollars, and dollars make slabs!

    ....inflation must be kicking in again this dollar says spend by Dec. 31 2004!

    Erik
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think LucyBop is trying to bebop her way to the most posts ever made in PCGS history. >>



    Ever hear of Claw? He can't be beat! I am Be Boppin' my way to the most ms66fbl's!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Yeah PCGS does sound kinda bogus. Maybe I'll take my business to NGC too. I have a question first though. Who owns Certified Collectibles Group which owns NGC & NCS? I like to know who I'm dealing with.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Go ahead and send your coins to NGC but if you try to use thier Message Boards you have about a 27% chance of getting into them. Something like thier Cross Over rate here at PCGS. image

    Ken
  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759 ✭

    DHeath,

    Actually No. But based on all the horrible things told about PCGS on these board ("They destroyed the guy..."), etc. and everyone saying how they will simply go to NGC to get the grades they need, it doesn't seem like it would be much of a challenge. Plus, I am saying that if I wanted to, I could crack the coin out. That way NGC wouldn't know it was a PCGS coin. The truth is that I am collecting my Peace $ Reg. set for now, and have no plans to sell, so upgrading them to get some money isn't really what I'm looking to do right now. Maybe in the future. I can tell you for example that most of my MS65 PCGS Peace $s are virtually perfect with almost completely unmarked fronts, and very strong and nice back sides as well. I wouldn't doubt for a second that some and maybe quite a few could upgrade to 66 through just about anyone other then PCGS.

    JJacks
    Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
  • AndroidAndroid Posts: 726 ✭


    << <i>Gee, maybe I should crack all my PCGS MS64 and MS65 Peace $s, submit them to NGC, get a point higher, and sell them for thousands more on ebay! >>



    JJacks,

    Are you absolutely, beyond any shadow of a doubt, positively sure, based on your own evaluation of your coin's grades that they do not merit a higher grade? Or is it simply because PCGS told you so?

    The best deals I've ever made buying coins were buying undergraded PCGS coins at the price the number on the slab dictated knowing that these coins were actually one to two grades higher. Good for me, bad for the dealer.

    Andy image
    We are finite beings, limited in all our powers, and, hence, our conclusions are not only relative, but they should ever be held subject to correction. Positive assurance is unattainable. The dogmatist is the only one who claims to possess absolute certainty.

    First POTD 9/19/05!!

  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    JJ,

    If you're really happy with your Peace dollars, and you plan to keep them for a long time, then there's no point in wasting your money on submission fees. Best to allocate those funds to get more coins!

    EVP

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

    I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com

  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759 ✭

    Andy, I beleive some of what I have bought is slider to the next grade. Like I said, I have a number of MS65 Peace $s (maybe 7-8) of slightly better dates, maybe many are MS65.75 or something. I don't doubt that PCGS maybe would upgrade 1 or 2, but I bet others would upgrade maybe 3 or 5. I have gone to shows, and only bought the best looking ones I could find, even though you put yourself in a position of having to pay the dealers price then. I agree, you can get some great coins in PCGS holder that the dealers have simply given up on resubmitting, or it isn't worth enough for them to bother.

    JJacks

    Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
  • CYBERKENCYBERKEN Posts: 76
    I'll stick with PCGS. The complainers didn't make their case. Didn't even come close. I think having an honest cop on the bourse floor is excellent for ALL collectors, and will lead to a faster-growing hobby...
    CYBERKEN
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,996 ✭✭✭✭✭
    More grading for me and Lucy at PCGS!

    (The Frankies are all hers, but I want the Morgans!)
    When in doubt, don't.

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