UPDATED: Hey, I just got inducted in to the PCGS Fingerprint Collectors Club and Foreign Object in M
FrattLaw
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Just got my first fingerprint back from PCGS. What a lovely sight, a nice big fingerprint all over my 1960 PR67CAM Washington, left obverse field. 
So now what? Has anyone had success with PCGS having them take care of this situation? Maybe I should bring in to Hall's show and tell on Friday at Long Beach?
A little help please,
Michael
So now what? Has anyone had success with PCGS having them take care of this situation? Maybe I should bring in to Hall's show and tell on Friday at Long Beach?
A little help please,
Michael
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Russ, NCNE
Just call Charlie Kahler, ext 141 and all will be well - maybe.
Russ, NCNE
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
You DID get the handshake right? They will make it all better, just call. If that doesn't work I hear you know a lawyer.
Michael
just call them and send it back. my 1892 morgan proof is there (2 weeks so far) being taken care of I guess
Cameron Kiefer
I thought they were going to start using gloves?
Funny how homerunhall dodges this issues every time it comes up. I don't submit coins and this is one reason why, lost coins is the other.
I never saw them say this here in the boards or other places.
Cameron Kiefer
Jeremy
PS- didja get my PM yesterday?
Looking for Nationals, Large VF to AU type, 1928 Gold, and WWII Emergency notes. Also a few nice Buffalo Nickels and Morgan Dollars.
Monty...
Tell PCGS that you are going to run the fingerprint through the FBI and Interpol to find out who it belongs to. That way they can't deny that it happened at PCGS.
Heck, they make the people who make sandwiches wear gloves. Why doesn't PCGS get the message?
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
Could you decipher if it was the middle finger that left the print ?
If so, it may be a subliminal PCGS message.
I love Ike dollars and all other dollar series !!!
I also love Major Circulation Strike Type Sets, clad Washingtons ('65 to '98) and key date coins !!!!!
If ignorance is bliss, shouldn't we have more happy people ??
Hey, after looking at the coin further, there's also a hair in there! Two for the price of one submission! Does this make me a member of the Foreign Object in My Slab Collectors Club too! Is there a different handshake and restroom? This is too much for me to remember.
Wow! Is this considered a rare slab error? Has anyone else be screwed twice in the same slab?
Does anyone collect these?
Michael
Good thing Bill and Monica don't work at PCGS or you never know what you'd find
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I have a slab with TWO hairs in it! There was a small planchet defect on the coin, and it looks like two blonde hairs somehow got snagged in it.
PCGS Grades 100's of coins every day. People from this forum probably provide a large % of those graded. My guess is that as a total to the number graded "errors" (Not grading errors) such as fingerprints, dropped coins, etc. are very minimal. Probably still not at an acceptable level, but minimal.
Aso, I do recall Dave H. mentioning that they don't wear gloves because its more difficult to handle the coins and droppage would increase. I can also see where gloves would slow things down even further than they are now.
By the way I don't work for PCGS and don't own stock in CU...These are just my casual comments.
Dan
I think that you just nailed the real problem: volume of slabs and the time allowed to grade each coin. Is it possible that PCGS's submission volume has increased, yet they have not added graders or maybe even lost some graders? Corporate greed? I envision the PCGS grading room as a 40X40 room with a series of conveyor belts snaking through the room. If the amount of coins to be graded that day is large, then the supervisor increases the speed.
As a result of the increased speed of the conveyor, the graders start sweating and mistakes start to happen: fingerprints, dropped coins, undergrades, overgrades, wrong attributions, etc. When the grader wipes the sweat off of his forehead with the back of his hand, a loose hair sticks to his hand and ultimately ends up in the slab.
That's just the way that I imagine a day in the life at PCGS......
Actually, I blame all of you modern guys for the fingerprints. You are flooding PCGS with thousands of coins that all look exactly the same. Maybe PCGS should by some faster conveyor belts. If you guys keep sending in 100 coins per month then they will have to buy a bull dozer to move the coins from the mail room to the grading room.
Since Classics are much more valuable, on the whole, I think they should spend a little more time grading them.
One minute a grader has a $20 SBA and the next he has a $90,000 Saint. It just does'nt seen like a grader can do dozens of moderns, then immediately switch to a classic seated or bust coin.
Am I wrong in thinking that a $20--$100 coin should receive the same grading time as a $50,000--$100,000 coin ?? I have heard it said that each coin receives 10 seconds.
This is not a "Classics versus Moderns" type of post. I just think a $90,000 coin should receive more time in grading than a $20 coin, and the only solution seems to be to have two grading rooms.
What I am saying and I am sure Zerbe is saying is that the grading of classics and moderns are not the same. Besides, a lot of collectors have both moderns and classics in their collections. Here's how Zerbe's idea would work: A collector sends in a submission to PCGS. The package contains 2 1964 Proof Kennedy Halves, both Accented Hair, and 2 Bust Halves in AU. The guy in the mail room would put the 2 1964 Kennedy silver rounds on the conveyor belt for the "modern room" and then he would carefully walk the 2 bust halves to the "classic room". Where's the descrimination due to financial standing?
How does that help if they don't resolve the problem of two few people chasing too many coins?
While I see merit in what you are saying (And my guess is they already employ that approach) I think, from what I have seen, PCGS still does a pretty decent job. I don't know what their acceptable error rate is. They should strive for 100% satisfaction, but even if they had enough graders, there would still be mistakes.
I type too fast for my brain!
<< <i>a member of the Foreign Object in My Slab Collectors Club >>
Now I am a member of that, but it's an ANACS slab, so I guess I can't be in the registry
Nice small crumb of something smack in the middle of my 79-CC eagle breast.
Point one, a grader eying dozens and dozens of moderns then comes upon a classic six figure coin. It seems to me that it is kind of hard on any grader to adjust to grading such different coins.
Point two, yes I think the graders should pay a little more attention to a coin that costs the same as a house as compared to a coin that costs the same as the mailbox for that house.
There would not be any difference in the grading of a modern coin. The only difference would be that the modern coins would only be graded by graders used to grading moderns.
You would get the same service as now if not better, and yes I am asking for more attention for a classic coin, because the difference in a PR 67 as compared to a PR 68 tends to be many thousands of dollars.
I am not saying I am better than you or that my coin is better than your coin.
This is just an opinion that both modern coin collectors and classic coin collectors would be better served if there were a classic grading room and a modern grading room.
Again, to clarify, it has nothing to do with "who has more money".
You, as a modern collector would get the same, if not more.
I, as a classic collector think I am being shortchanged and am looking for more than is provided in the present system.
Put yourself in my position for a minute. If you owned a $20 coin and a
$90,000 coin, would you want the PCGS grader to spend 10 seconds on each coin, or would you want a little more attention on your $90,000 coin ? ( The $20 coin would receive the same amount of attention as it does now )