Who, here, REALLY wants to know.......?
coinguy1
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About the coins they post? The realities (good and bad) of the hobby? Suggestions/recommendations regarding the advice they seek? Honest/blunt answers to the questions they ask?
No, this is not an infomercial, a solicitation for a seminar or a book promotion.
And, the questions posed, are not meant to be rhetorical ones.
Sometimes I wonder, though, who, here, REALLY wants straight/honest feedback, information and answers, particularly when not favorable or encouraging, and, who just wants to have some fun. Sometimes one conflicts with the other.
Different forum members post for different reasons - some want no holds barred feedback, some want encouragement, some want answers to questions or suggestions about how to handle certain situations, some want help, some want validation, some want to stir up trouble.
There are all sorts of reasons to post and there is a wealth of feedback to be had here. Sometimes that feedback is delivered, whether we like it or not and in ways we don't appreciate. Sometimes we hear things we don't want to hear and learn things we really didn't want to know.
There is a fine line between providing honest replies to some one who wants them, vs. bursting the bubble of someone who wants to post, just for fun. I am often faced with the dilemma of commenting and trying to help someone, or keeping my big mouth shut, for fear of hurting someone's feelings. This is not a complaint, merely an observation.
So, who, here , really wants to know and who would rather just enjoy themselves and not have to think about much of what is posted? I'm not passing judgment on ANYONE, not taking sides, not even stating a preference. But, this inquiring mind really wants to know.????????
No, this is not an infomercial, a solicitation for a seminar or a book promotion.
And, the questions posed, are not meant to be rhetorical ones.
Sometimes I wonder, though, who, here, REALLY wants straight/honest feedback, information and answers, particularly when not favorable or encouraging, and, who just wants to have some fun. Sometimes one conflicts with the other.
Different forum members post for different reasons - some want no holds barred feedback, some want encouragement, some want answers to questions or suggestions about how to handle certain situations, some want help, some want validation, some want to stir up trouble.
There are all sorts of reasons to post and there is a wealth of feedback to be had here. Sometimes that feedback is delivered, whether we like it or not and in ways we don't appreciate. Sometimes we hear things we don't want to hear and learn things we really didn't want to know.
There is a fine line between providing honest replies to some one who wants them, vs. bursting the bubble of someone who wants to post, just for fun. I am often faced with the dilemma of commenting and trying to help someone, or keeping my big mouth shut, for fear of hurting someone's feelings. This is not a complaint, merely an observation.
So, who, here , really wants to know and who would rather just enjoy themselves and not have to think about much of what is posted? I'm not passing judgment on ANYONE, not taking sides, not even stating a preference. But, this inquiring mind really wants to know.????????
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K S
I can take anything somebody can dish out, either the good, bad or the ugly
Yeah, I want all my Morgans to be MS67's, but thats not reality. according to PCGS there AU55's
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Most of my posts are in fun or meant to "Stir it up a bit". Like I've said before, I appreciate everyones opinion and respect it... Even if I don't agree with it. I just ask for the same courtesy. I think that is why this forum was instituted.
Dan
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On the other hand, I about the last person who would trash someone else's coin unless they specifically ask for an honest opinion.
Weird, huh?
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Pretty soon I am afraid you will see a post from me and say "man, she's posting another picture". But until then I will continue to post pictures of some coins that I think are neat. Keep the posts good or bad coming!
Lori
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
I'm not sure I can answer that for myself. I believe it should be case by case, and the thread initiator needs to delineate what they need in each particular post. I'm not sure anyone wants the same thing everytime.
Barring that, when I'm not sure about the poster, I try to be neutral, but as informative as I can be. Every now and again I misread someone, apoligize if I need to, and try and keep it in mind for any future communication. It's really about all I can do.
Russ, NCNE
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
Russ, NCNE
jom
but i will not practice waht i preach tohugh as i want others to give it to me straight but for others i will not say anything on coins i do NOT like but only say good things about coins i think are great! coins that i would like myself!
unfortunately on here you cant say anything bad/constructive or negative do with most everyone coins if at all
so for me it is a hard question to answer
i guess for me it is a case by case basis if i see a coin i do not like or has a problem and someone posts it and is proud of it then i just let sleeping dogs lie so to speak or i just do not say anything
whereas if i like somethjing and think it is a good coin then i will say so
good or bad right or wrong i just do not know
but with many past experiences with some people on these boards i got some really nasty NASTY MEAN private mesasages when i lambasted something told the truth about the coin
so from now on i can do two things i can either be right or be happy i guess i would rahter be happy!!
as per the above
also one persoin on here i cant remember who it was has a saying on the bottom of his posts that coins in overgraded holders are to him not considered coffins but happy coins and so that is the way i am
i would rather be happy ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,then right and give honest feedback
now if a coin is great then that is not a problems if it is something that is not a great coin and i do not like it as such then i just will try try try to not make any comments and keep my mouth shut
sincerely michael
Critisize as necessary.
Thanks
Tony
President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
Go post your wimpy coins for wimpy answers on the CoinWorld or ICG board.
Some very beautiful coins have been posted here lately. Its extremely hard to comment on all of them but it is a pleasure to look at the coins.
Ken
I haven't figured out how to post pictures of my coins, so I can't say I've been offended by anyone's comments. Once I do figure out how to take pictures, when I post a picture I expect I'll ask for honest opinions. In the meanwhile, the stuff I do post about I'd like honest opinions.
However, I do shy away from posting that I think a particular coin, say, sux (in the current vernacular) in my opinion. I see little to gain from possibly alienating someone. Personally, I don't much care for toned coins, but for those that do, that's wonderful--why should I say a toned coined is ugly?
Plus, I have severe doubts that I can tell enough about a coin from a single scan or photo to make an informed judgment. In order to judge what a coin really looks like, I need to see a bunch of scans, all done by the same person, and then I need to see the coins. For isntance, I've bought several coins from Larry Whitlow and I now think I can make a decent guess about what a coin looks like in person from one of the pictures on Whitlow's site. But when I first started, I couldn't really tell from the picture what the coin truly looked like.
Mark
Asking for a critique will usually bring a few. Displaying a speciman for viewing will probably bring comments that are more complimentory.
EDit: I do like to needle the Tone guys :-)
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If you must be either honest or nice, I prefer the former. If I bought a coin that I thought was attractive for the grade and you don't agree with me, I'd like to know why you think that way. This way, I can decide whether you have a point and if so, I won't make the same mistake twice.
Or, I might agree to disagree.
There are two coins which I purchased in three years ago (a so-so Barber Dime in MS 65 and a so-so Barber Quarter in PF 65) that I would have appreciated a second opinion before I bought them.
Having said the above, I typically do not comment on a coin owned by a board member who takes the trouble to share its image with us if I think it is ugly. My feedback may get its owner angry. An example is that while I normally salivate like Pavlov's dog whenever Adrian posts an image of one of his coins, once he imaged a high grade type coin that I did not like at all. I did not post on that thread for this reason.
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Seriously, I come here mainly to mooch off the knowledge of others and to share what I can when I can. And sometimes I come on just to see what's going on. But should I post a question, request for feedback, etc. I want the brutal, straight up honest answer because otherwise I'd just be wasting my and everyone's time by posting.
When i want information, i usually consult my library.
When i can't get the answer out of my library, i call a friend or post a string of words in this forum that ends in one of these: "?".
adrian
P.S. What is the difference, if any, between DMPL and UDM on an ANACS holder?
Some of us are shy and have low self esteems and when we get needled, sometimes we can't get to sleep at night and begin to not be able to concentrate.
It's not funny. I've been rather weepy lately.
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Who NEEDS to know?
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Who KNEW?
Actually, everyone should post their honest OPINIONS. That's the only way for all of us to tell if they are RIGHT or not...
Casey
Adrian, I pulled out an ANACS submission form and on the back the have "superlative category designations" including the following related to your question
PL proof-like (AU50 & above)
DMPL deep mirror proof-like (AU50 & above)
UDM ultra deep mirror proof-like (AU50 & above)
so I am sure all 3 designations refer to reflectivity of the field and if newsprint can be read at different levels -
am guessing here -> PL 3 inches DMPL 6 inches UDM 12 inches ?????
have your assistant call them ANACS # 1-800-888-1861
and you could show pictures of her holding the answers
Essentially I do like to collect coins and I stated clearily when I first came here that I`m not the most knowledgible one around by a long shot. Eventually , and after being bumped around abit , I think I have a better sense of when to keep my mouth shut.
Part of what may be going, is in fact, may not even be a negative. I think most of us are comfortible with each other. I`m not tring to be sappy. It`s just that , and rarely does this happen , when you have a group of strangers they work very well together. Usually the group falls apart and dies out because they can`t fuction as a group and only as individuals. I think we have a group of strangers here that work well together as a group. Sometimes we take it for granted but I think we do realize it the end that we have a good thing here in the forums. Essentially I think we do respect each others opinions and each other.
Maybe that doesn`t answer you questions. But I have it off my chest.
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
Oh....would you please tell me the significance of your handle...your "sinin1"?
adrian
Not everything that they said about my coins was favorable, but it all was valuable. I now read as many of the informative posts as I can and I look forward to when I can post my own pix and have the value of many honest opinions rather than one or two. There is a wealth of knowledge available here and as long as things do not get personal &/or vindictive I seriously enjoy reading about the hows and whys of judging the coins posted by other members - especially since I have expanded my horizons from just dollar coins to building Type Sets.
If I started listing handles of the many people that have opinions that I find valuable I know that I would end up leaving several out due to a horrible memory for names, so at this point I would just give out a general thank you to the many informed people that take time to share their knowledge here.
Andy
First POTD 9/19/05!!
Many of the responses have addressed the issue of honesty - I have no doubt, that it's the only way to go. For me, though, the difficult issue is determining whether to say anything at all, sometimes, because I'm concerned that someone might not really want to hear the truth. How many of you simply "bite your tongues" in such cases?
To counter this, the owner of the coin could always jump into his Viper or Porshe, and get it up to 170+ mph then slam on the brakes.
Clears the head !