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Is this Morgan real or AT?

RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
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What do you guys think? What are the things to look for on this coin?

Russ, NCNE
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  • TonekillerTonekiller Posts: 1,308 ✭✭
    Very real. I have seen this coin in person. The seller is top notch on colored coins also. image

    TBT
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    That's cheating.image

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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Real though it may be, I would not buy that coin. Somewhere down the road, there will be

    a problem selling that coin when the market turns south for crayon colors on coins.
    There once was a place called
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Bear's will always like pretty colors.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Only if the colors are on donuts.
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    Camelotimage
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    If that's real I can hardly believe that it looks like the picture. The patterns right but the colors are wrong.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • trackertracker Posts: 52
    What is protruding from the top of her lip to the rim? Almost looks like a liquid pooling line......
    tracker
  • danglendanglen Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭
    It's REAL and a MONSTER. Great color! Look at the blue color in the letters on Liberty is surrounded by green. That doesn't happen on ATd coins. image
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  • gsaguygsaguy Posts: 2,425 ✭
    I agree with Dog that the color's likely to be natural but probably doesn't look quite like the scan. I suspect that the reds may be a bit brighter in the scan than on the actual coin. However, I've not seen the piece in person like TBT. Well TBT, is it accurate?

    GSAGUY
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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭


    Real, but lighting enhanced
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  • TonekillerTonekiller Posts: 1,308 ✭✭
    The coin is accurately pictured. I used to think my picture abilities were good but Andrews are better. Who ever buys the coin will not be upset and if they are I am sure Andrew will take care of them.

    TBT
  • eagle7eagle7 Posts: 1,441
    image I will trust Tonekiller. If he says it is real then I would buy it that the toning is real. Ditto Bears remarks about the long term outlook for price stability. Maybe an 86-0 in ms63 toned like that would be a solid winner money wise for the long term.
    In an insane society, a sane person will appear to be insane.
  • gsaguygsaguy Posts: 2,425 ✭
    Soooooo, that's young Andrew's work! I agree with Tonekiller that Andrew's a straight shooter. I'd still like to see that coin in person to see how well it matches. Is he using a scanner or a digital?

    GSAGUY
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Russ, Although the pic was greatly enhanced, (like when you turn the 'color' setting on your TV all the way up) that coin has genuine bag toning. A somewhat common pattern/progression too, especially the way the crescent ends in baby blue and tan.

    dragon
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    $750.00 opening bid seems high. It's probably worth it though with amazing color like that!
    His Mercuries are nice too.

    peacockcoins

  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    There's no doubt in my mind that it is real but I wonder what the colors REALLY look like?
    What would it look like if I looked at it in my house or out in my yard instead of under special photo lighting bulbs? Anybody got a picture of the whole slab to give us a better idea?
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • gsaguygsaguy Posts: 2,425 ✭
    Braddick,

    How about a linky to that auction?

    GSAGUY
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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Anybody got a picture of the whole slab to give us a better idea? >>



    Dog, although I understand looking at the slabbed coin can help to see if the label is the right color, you know as well as me that software enhancement can work wonders. I'm not really saying this coin but just in general.
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  • tonerstoners Posts: 403
    True monster
    Allen
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    GSAGUY,

    This is the auction.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    WHOAAA!!! Boy that jumps out at you!! image Seeing the whole slab & the rev puts it in better perspective. They used TOO much lighting, look how it it so bright that you can barely see the little crescent on the left side.
    I can brighten my colors if I leave the scanner lid open causing a black background that contrast nicely with PCGS slabs and then clicking on quick fix gives me a similiar look, makes the slab clear with a blue tint.
    Sometimes it makes mine look like they really look, sometimes they look really funky.
    I know that it's really hard to get a decent pict of a toned coin.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    That is definitely a VERY beautiful coin - I have a question on the breaks in the toning on the face and in the field - aren't these caused by rub?

    And if it is rub - wouldn't this coin be stuck at AU58? Or is it bumped up and market graded 64?

    Or would this be considered album slide, and only slightly dropprd because of it?
  • LokiLoki Posts: 897 ✭✭
    I made an off-eBay deal with Andrew and should be getting this coin in a few days. I waited to see if Russ was going to snipe this one at the end and was surprised he or no one else grabbed it. I have been looking for something like this for some time. What sold me on it (besides the incredible monster color) was Tonekiller's sight-seen positive reply about both the accuracy of the coin's pics and his favorable comments about Andrew. Ask him for a small percentage next time you see him Tonekiller lol. image
    Thanks for posting this one Russ!! It looks like a real beauty! image
  • RotatedRainbowsRotatedRainbows Posts: 2,085 ✭✭
    As stated the colors seem a little bright but what bothers me is the big scuff/rubbing of the color on the cheek (prime focal area). In my book that really kills the eye appeal, like having an untoned coin and having a large scratch across the cheek (always the first thing you see).
  • wallstreetmanwallstreetman Posts: 2,938 ✭
    Doesnt matter, most people dont care anymore, more and more artificial coins(including painted) are being accepted! People will lose many dollars as more and more of these enter the Market!
    You can fool man but you can't fool God! He knows why you do what you do!
  • eagle7eagle7 Posts: 1,441
    Amen WallStreetMan, thats what happened to the stock market. Too many peices of paper at too high a price. At some point the price becomes unsustainable when the supply increases faster than people can buy. Works the same with toned Morgans. If you are going to buy one wait for the 81-s in the ms67 holder which has the bag toned obverse. Then if toning comes out of favor you still have a 650 dollar coin.
    In an insane society, a sane person will appear to be insane.
  • LokiLoki Posts: 897 ✭✭


    << <i>People will lose many dollars as more and more of these enter the Market! >>

    Wallstreetman, you are most likely correct. However, I do not view my purchases as "investments". I purchase using discretionary income and buy what I like. Some people throw money away on model airplanes but they always seem to have a smile on their face as they are flying these beauties. I prefer to throw money away on coins and always have a smile on my face whenever I look at my collection. I won't lose any sleep at night if your dire predictions turn out to be true. image



    << <i>As stated the colors seem a little bright but what bothers me is the big scuff/rubbing of the color on the cheek (prime focal area). In my book that really kills the eye appeal >>

    The selling point to this coin for me was strictly the color... nothing more, nothing less. If you want a monster-toned, scruff-free specimen, expect to shell out gobs of cash for it ... well into the 4 figure territory (even for a common date coin)! Rather than giving up most of my yearly coin purchasing budget, I decided to forgive the scruff marks in exchange for the neat color, and the price realised for this piece has taken that into consideration.

    Also, I'm saving up for a '63 PCGS MS70 Lincoln ..... NOT!!!!image
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    a-t, w/out question. probably market-acceptable though.

    K S
  • LokiLoki Posts: 897 ✭✭


    << <i>a-t, w/out question. probably market-acceptable though >>

    Dorkkarl, based on your personal definition of every toned-coin being AT, why does your statement not surprise me in the least? image
  • RotatedRainbowsRotatedRainbows Posts: 2,085 ✭✭
    The selling point to this coin for me was strictly the color... nothing more, nothing less. If you want a monster-toned, scruff-free specimen, expect to shell out gobs of cash for it ... well into the 4 figure territory (even for a common date coin)! Rather than giving up most of my yearly coin purchasing budget, I decided to forgive the scruff marks in exchange for the neat color, and the price realised for this piece has taken that into consideration.

    Can't argue with that logic but that is why I am pretty much out of the toned market. Just can't afford to compete with the big boys (and their big bucks) so I am just going to enjoy the four dozen plus pieces I already have and move on to other things. I would not want to pay close to $750 for any one toned coin, out of my entire toned collection I only paid over $500 for one piece and that was just barely over.
  • eagle7eagle7 Posts: 1,441
    I also agree with rotated rainbow. However I would not mind paying 700.00 for a nice rainbow obverse on an 1881-S if it was in an MS67 PCGS or NGC holder. That would be nice. Has anyone seen such a coin?
    In an insane society, a sane person will appear to be insane.
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry.

    The surfaces on the obverse of this coin are horrid. The PCGS graders must have on something
    to put this in a 4 holder. I don't care how attractive the colors are, the surfaces IMO make this
    an ugly coin. IMO it's a 2 with a 2 point bump for the colors.

    If you want to pay obscene money for an ugly, overgraded coin, be my guest. Obviously the
    buyer disagrees with me, and I don't have a problem with that.

    I personally can't understand buying a coin just for one feature. Ie., if a coin's slabbed as a 5 with a full strike (which is important to me), but its luster IMO is dull, I won't buy it. I look at the coin as a whole. While the colors on this coin are very attractive, IMO that is all the coin has going for it, and for that reason, I wouldn't buy it.

    I'm sure there are plenty of people on this forum that disagree with me.
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  • jomjom Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Elcon: Not so sure I agree. First of all are those surface problems or is it marks that are amplified by the toning. Sometimes the toning has some lines (or whatever) that look like metal scratches (that's the best way I can describe what I mean). This "may" be the case here...I'd have to see the coin in person.

    On the other hand, if the toning is pretty enough I'll ignore the other "attributes" of the coin...it depends: on price, luster, etc. This coin, again, I don't know...I'd have to see it LIVE.

    jom
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Dorkkarl, based on your personal definition of every toned-coin being AT, why does your statement not surprise me in the least? >>

    i have never stated that every toned coin is AT. please indicate where you are quoting that. i do not understand your purpose in mis-quoting me.

    what i have said is that natural toning occurs when a coin is subjected to its intended (ie. "natural") environment. everything else is artificial.

    & i'll repeat it, despite what all the disbelievers claim, toning like that CAN be duplicated in a lab. maybe not easily, but it IS possible.

    K S
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    So do I understand correctly that someone bought that piece in a 64 holder for $750.00 ? If so, that's a fair price for that coin, even though the colors in Russ' pic were greatly enhanced, I can still tell what it would look like in person and $750.00 is about right, perhaps even a bit more. What looks like scratches on the obv. of that piece are more than likely just fine breaks in the toning and not actual blemishes on the coin (very common).

    For the people that say this particular piece is AT'd, or that the market for coins like this one is absurd, or that the market for all beautifully toned pieces is a bubble and will soon crash, or that coins like this can readily and easily be reproduced by coin doctors and holdered by PCGS, or whatever other gems of wisdom you come up with,,,,,,,,,SAVE IT, YOU ARE CLUELESS, and simply show your inexperience and lack of knowledge about toned coins and their market values with each successive post.

    dragon



  • LokiLoki Posts: 897 ✭✭
    Dorkkarl, Sorry if I misquoted you verbatem, but I was pretty close. image



    << <i>sadly, the bottom line theme that runs through this thread continues to be ignored. all coins with wild'n'crazy colors are artificially toned. it is a plain & simple FACT. what you are paying for when you buy 1 in a holder is the blessing of the plastic company.

    when you accept that FACT, you will find it much easier to find the right direction to take w/ coins of this ilk.

    i repeat: all coins with wild'n'crazy colors are artificially toned. accept it.

    K S >>



    From the infamous Coin Doctor Thread
  • littlewicherlittlewicher Posts: 1,822 ✭✭
    I'm sorry, but I think the coin is AT. If you look on the reverse, there is burn marks! I've made the same spots accidentaly before by applying heat. I also don't like how there are numerous spots on the obverse. The colors seem to end too abruptly for me. Also from what I've seen, the bluish kind of color usually doesn't take up that much space between the two colors that it is between.


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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    littlewicher,


    Read my last post........ and pay very special attention to the word CLUELESS
  • TonekillerTonekiller Posts: 1,308 ✭✭
    Dragon,

    Tell us how you really feel. imageimage

    TBT
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    littlewicher,

    You've told us numerous times of your mad skilz at toning coins. How about coughing up some images? I'm sure everyone will be happy to wait while you go get your camera.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • MorganluverMorganluver Posts: 517 ✭✭✭
    It's a real pretty coin and even though some of you may not want my opinion, I'll give it anyway. It's obviously naturally toned from an "intentional" storage medium, called a canvass bag that the Mint placed the coins in. I also agree with Dragon that the brightness of the colors look to be somewhat tweaked, although I have seen and owned a scant handful with colors that electric.
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Dragon you're the only one that thinks it's worth that much. None of the 150+ people that looked at it thought so. It received 0 bids.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • LokiLoki Posts: 897 ✭✭


    << <i>Dragon you're the only one that thinks it's worth that much. None of the 150+ people that looked at it thought so. It received 0 bids. >>

    Ummm, it did sell Dog, so someone other than Dragon thought it was worth fairly close to his asking price. I would like to propose a challenge. Dog97, can you show me a truely monster-toned Morgan certified by PCGS that one can buy for $750 or less? I have seen toned Morgans that could be had for less than the target price, but NOT monster-toned beauties. If you have, I'd sure like to see an example or three.
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Dog,

    Pieces with that type of coloration will nearly always sell in the 600.00-900.00 price range to knowledgeable buyers. Ebay is not at all a reliable indicator of the true market prices of most coins IMO, as it is for the most part an unsophisticated audience brousing through a variety of ACG, NTC, PCI, RAW, ANACS, ICG, NGC, PCGS, COUNTERFEIT, CLEANED, and god knows what else,,,,,in an arena with a variety of high quality, so-so quality, and just plain awful pics.

    If that coin was on Ebay using that highly tweaked pic, it doesn't surprise me that noboby would bid on it, yet I'm sure the ACG, NTC, and counterfeit coins probably listed right next to it received multiple bids......go figure.

    dragon
  • littlewicherlittlewicher Posts: 1,822 ✭✭
    Dragon, we're all entitled to our opinions. I input my opinion, you input your opinion. You could be right, I could be right, or we both could be right or wrong. Please try to refrain from calling people names, just because they input their personal opinion, whether it may be wrong or right. Now I know why so many people are leaving.image

    As for the coin, I also believe that the color of the image has been severely lightened up.

    Russ, I'll post some pics when I get time to photograph them. I'll either do them tomorrow after school or this weekend.


    For some life lasts a short while, but the memories it holds last forever.
    -Laura Swenson

    In memory of BL, SM, and KG. 16 and forever young, rest in peace.
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jom & Dragon,

    You guys look at more Morgans than I do (would also like Gemtone65 & Art R to chime in on
    this thread). The only way we can tell if those surface distractions I mentioned are scratches
    or breaks in the coin's toning is to see it in person.

    When my $ is involved in a potential coin purchase, I never give the coin any benefit if there is a doubt. I'd still pass on this one even under the more favorable circumstances.
    "Vou invadir o Nordeste,
    "Seu cabra da peste,
    "Sou Mangueira......."
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    <<Dragon, we're all entitled to our opinions. I input my opinion, you input your opinion. You could be right, I could be right, or we both could be right or wrong>>

    No littlewicher, you are not right, you are never right, you are a troll.


    dragon
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    <<Dragon, we're all entitled to our opinions. I input my opinion, you input your opinion. You could be right, I could be right, or we both could be right or wrong>>

    No littlewicher, you are not right, you are never right, you are a forum troll.


    dragon
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe not a Monster, I call her purple ladyimage

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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> would like to propose a challenge. Dog97, can you show me a truely monster-toned Morgan certified by PCGS that one can buy for $750 or less? >>



    LOL, oh boy are you going to be in for some "Monsters" that he could show you. Show um big Dog.
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