Pepperdoodles - Edited: He Has Arrived
FatMan
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Pepperdoodles sent me an Email this morning regarding a recent thread. I can't really tell what it is all about but I think he wants me to post this for him. Following is his email then my reply. Sorry that it is so long but in fairness (I think) I have included the complete text. All I can say is "WOW, UNBELIEVABLE,AMAZING..........."
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-----Original Message-----
From: Pepperdoodles [address deleted]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:09 AM
To: morrjohn@attbi.com
Subject: re:well put.
sir,thank you and let me take a moment of your time if i may.
i commend you for being the only one on here to say something that hits the nail on the head with regards to all of these whiners on here ranting and raving about us. i know james,have for 20 yrs. he's always been the same way he is now. i slab more proofs and cameos than anyone singularly in the country (not bragging,it's just a statistical fact) i know my stuff. i tried that coin over and over,they (pcgs) WERE NOT going to give the coin the dcam,but it is very,very close when considering the date,type and specifics they look for for a 56 type 1 to make a dcam,which we have made several that were no better than that coin. james,being mr. crafty,not knowing 'pepperdoodles' was me thought he was going to get the coin in,even AFTER i fully explained it had been tried 4 times,and thought he was fixing to turn it into a $5000 coin. greed is what it all boils down to and him not being responsible for his own actions. no, it clearly was not an avg example of a pcgs 1956 type 1 in 66cam worth about $500 nor was it a crackout for james he was fixing to make $3500 off us on getting it in a 66dcam holder worth $5000 either. that's where that $3500 fuigure comes from. it was however, a coin for it's specifics as close to a dcam as i have ever seen and worth a damned good premium as such which is why it didnt go in one of our routine weekly teletrade consignments. he got what he paid for no more and no less. he set the price. it opened at $1000. hammered near $1500. i've slabbed more of those than anyone in the business and james knows this full well. he's being a whiner,irresponsible bidder and flat out trying to waste our time,you guys time on this collector's universe forum and attempting to further bait folks against us. all we do is produce slabs and wholesale them out,keep teletrade chocked up with second rate stuff and ebay some of the better material and we are, quite frankly, the cameo and proof experts far,far over and above all these folks here who are whining about us. the customer is NOT always right as has been proven by this chat site that al hankovsky (keets) started 4 or 5 mos ago on us. as well as has been proven by all the whiners on jokebay we do well and we do take a lot of time off and i did damn near get killed by a deck post gutting me smashing my liver and gall bladder back in august and was hospitalized for a month. we do good business,we know we do and that is all that matters. we will not be browbeat by a bunch of unknowledge collectors whining at us or any of these "coin dealer wannabes" on jokebay who hadnt got a clue what it's like to run a legetimate rare coin firm and retail shop. now now,tomorrow or ever will we be mowed over by any of these liars,storytellers and crap-starters. you may post this onto this forum if you wish. it's the truth,which always prevails in the end and we have nothing to hide nor worry about and wont either. regards, jeff
oh ps,you can get a msg to dcamfranklin who thinks i dont know who he is that i'll be seeing him at the next peachstate show and bring my bail money with me because as soon as he pops off his smart mouth at me before they can stop me i'm going to jail over him
Reply Follows:
Jeff
I read your email with great interest. I am new to the PCGS forum and at this time I have not developed personal relationships with any members (I hope that with time relationships will develop). I write this reply to you as a courtesy in that you took the time to write me. So let me share with you my thoughts about the Thread in Question and your Email.
1. My post to "segoja" was simply suggesting that all buyers need to be much more careful when using eBay, and other sight-unseen forums. I was suggesting that either A) he/she be more careful in reading the description, or
he/she put more credence in PCGS's grading than your "Incoherent Hype". In essence we all need to practice "Buyer Beware" when dealing with strangers.
2. I have a limited knowledge of coins and will leave the CAM/ DCAM issue to those in the "Know". I do know something about general business as I own two very successful companies. Jeff, I have no dog in this fight but I must say that in reviewing this incident and your email I can assure you that I will have no dealings with your company. I do have strong feelings about what is wrong with the coin hobby and you epitomize the problems. Jeff, why will you not accept a return? It would be fair for "segoya" to pay the eBay fees but you should accept the return. If you really believe that $1400 is a fair price it will sell for that in the next auction. You may believe that because there was no return policy stated in the auction that you do not have to accept returns. WRONG! Return allowances are a part of ethical business. You should clearly state that you "DO NOT ACCEPT RETURNS" if that is the case. Which brings me to the next problem- your ability to communicate clearly. I would guess that 90% of customer dissatisfaction is the result of poor communications. I had to read your Auction Description several times to figure out what you were trying to say. The same with your email. I don't know if your poor writing is the result of education level, carelessness, or deceptive practices. When dealing with strangers, your written word represents you. All I have to base my opinion of you is your unclear thoughts, your personal attacks, and your threats. What were you thinking when you wrote this to me? You don't know me and I just have no idea what your intent is. All I can think is that you would like me to post this on the forum as maybe you believe that based upon my post I am sympathetic to your position. As I feel everyone has a right to their own opinions and perceptions, I will post this for you.
Maybe someday we will meet in person and you can change my perception of you and your company. Nothing would please me more.
FatMan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Pepperdoodles [address deleted]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:09 AM
To: morrjohn@attbi.com
Subject: re:well put.
sir,thank you and let me take a moment of your time if i may.
i commend you for being the only one on here to say something that hits the nail on the head with regards to all of these whiners on here ranting and raving about us. i know james,have for 20 yrs. he's always been the same way he is now. i slab more proofs and cameos than anyone singularly in the country (not bragging,it's just a statistical fact) i know my stuff. i tried that coin over and over,they (pcgs) WERE NOT going to give the coin the dcam,but it is very,very close when considering the date,type and specifics they look for for a 56 type 1 to make a dcam,which we have made several that were no better than that coin. james,being mr. crafty,not knowing 'pepperdoodles' was me thought he was going to get the coin in,even AFTER i fully explained it had been tried 4 times,and thought he was fixing to turn it into a $5000 coin. greed is what it all boils down to and him not being responsible for his own actions. no, it clearly was not an avg example of a pcgs 1956 type 1 in 66cam worth about $500 nor was it a crackout for james he was fixing to make $3500 off us on getting it in a 66dcam holder worth $5000 either. that's where that $3500 fuigure comes from. it was however, a coin for it's specifics as close to a dcam as i have ever seen and worth a damned good premium as such which is why it didnt go in one of our routine weekly teletrade consignments. he got what he paid for no more and no less. he set the price. it opened at $1000. hammered near $1500. i've slabbed more of those than anyone in the business and james knows this full well. he's being a whiner,irresponsible bidder and flat out trying to waste our time,you guys time on this collector's universe forum and attempting to further bait folks against us. all we do is produce slabs and wholesale them out,keep teletrade chocked up with second rate stuff and ebay some of the better material and we are, quite frankly, the cameo and proof experts far,far over and above all these folks here who are whining about us. the customer is NOT always right as has been proven by this chat site that al hankovsky (keets) started 4 or 5 mos ago on us. as well as has been proven by all the whiners on jokebay we do well and we do take a lot of time off and i did damn near get killed by a deck post gutting me smashing my liver and gall bladder back in august and was hospitalized for a month. we do good business,we know we do and that is all that matters. we will not be browbeat by a bunch of unknowledge collectors whining at us or any of these "coin dealer wannabes" on jokebay who hadnt got a clue what it's like to run a legetimate rare coin firm and retail shop. now now,tomorrow or ever will we be mowed over by any of these liars,storytellers and crap-starters. you may post this onto this forum if you wish. it's the truth,which always prevails in the end and we have nothing to hide nor worry about and wont either. regards, jeff
oh ps,you can get a msg to dcamfranklin who thinks i dont know who he is that i'll be seeing him at the next peachstate show and bring my bail money with me because as soon as he pops off his smart mouth at me before they can stop me i'm going to jail over him
Reply Follows:
Jeff
I read your email with great interest. I am new to the PCGS forum and at this time I have not developed personal relationships with any members (I hope that with time relationships will develop). I write this reply to you as a courtesy in that you took the time to write me. So let me share with you my thoughts about the Thread in Question and your Email.
1. My post to "segoja" was simply suggesting that all buyers need to be much more careful when using eBay, and other sight-unseen forums. I was suggesting that either A) he/she be more careful in reading the description, or
he/she put more credence in PCGS's grading than your "Incoherent Hype". In essence we all need to practice "Buyer Beware" when dealing with strangers.2. I have a limited knowledge of coins and will leave the CAM/ DCAM issue to those in the "Know". I do know something about general business as I own two very successful companies. Jeff, I have no dog in this fight but I must say that in reviewing this incident and your email I can assure you that I will have no dealings with your company. I do have strong feelings about what is wrong with the coin hobby and you epitomize the problems. Jeff, why will you not accept a return? It would be fair for "segoya" to pay the eBay fees but you should accept the return. If you really believe that $1400 is a fair price it will sell for that in the next auction. You may believe that because there was no return policy stated in the auction that you do not have to accept returns. WRONG! Return allowances are a part of ethical business. You should clearly state that you "DO NOT ACCEPT RETURNS" if that is the case. Which brings me to the next problem- your ability to communicate clearly. I would guess that 90% of customer dissatisfaction is the result of poor communications. I had to read your Auction Description several times to figure out what you were trying to say. The same with your email. I don't know if your poor writing is the result of education level, carelessness, or deceptive practices. When dealing with strangers, your written word represents you. All I have to base my opinion of you is your unclear thoughts, your personal attacks, and your threats. What were you thinking when you wrote this to me? You don't know me and I just have no idea what your intent is. All I can think is that you would like me to post this on the forum as maybe you believe that based upon my post I am sympathetic to your position. As I feel everyone has a right to their own opinions and perceptions, I will post this for you.
Maybe someday we will meet in person and you can change my perception of you and your company. Nothing would please me more.
FatMan
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Sir,thank you and let me take a moment of your time if i may.
i commend you for being the only one on here to say something that hits the nail on the head with regards to all of these whiners on here ranting and raving about us. i know james,have for 20 yrs. he's always been the same way he is now. i slab more proofs and cameos than anyone singularly in the country (not bragging,it's just a statistical fact) i know my stuff. i tried that coin over and over,they (pcgs) WERE NOT going to give the coin the dcam,but it is very,very close when considering the date,type and specifics they look for for a 56 type 1 to make a dcam,which we have made several that were no better than that coin. james,being mr. crafty,not knowing 'pepperdoodles' was me thought he was going to get the coin in,even AFTER i fully explained it had been tried 4 times,and thought he was fixing to turn it into a $5000 coin. greed is what it all boils down to and him not being responsible for his own actions. no, it clearly was not an avg example of a pcgs 1956 type 1 in 66cam worth about $500 nor was it a crackout for james he was fixing to make $3500 off us on getting it in a 66dcam holder worth $5000 either. that's where that $3500 fuigure comes from. it was however, a coin for it's specifics as close to a dcam as i have ever seen and worth a damned good premium as such which is why it didnt go in one of our routine weekly teletrade consignments. he got what he paid for no more and no less. he set the price. it opened at $1000. hammered near $1500. i've slabbed more of those than anyone in the business and james knows this full well. he's being a whiner,irresponsible bidder and flat out trying to waste our time,you guys time on this collector's universe forum and attempting to further bait folks against us. all we do is produce slabs and wholesale them out,keep teletrade chocked up with second rate stuff and ebay some of the better material and we are, quite frankly, the cameo and proof experts far,far over and above all these folks here who are whining about us. the customer is NOT always right as has been proven by this chat site that al hankovsky (keets) started 4 or 5 mos ago on us. as well as has been proven by all the whiners on jokebay we do well and we do take a lot of time off and i did damn near get killed by a deck post gutting me smashing my liver and gall bladder back in august and was hospitalized for a month. we do good business,we know we do and that is all that matters. we will not be browbeat by a bunch of unknowledge collectors whining at us or any of these "coin dealer wannabes" on jokebay who hadnt got a clue what it's like to run a legetimate rare coin firm and retail shop. now now,tomorrow or ever will we be mowed over by any of these liars,storytellers and crap-starters. you may post this onto this forum if you wish. it's the truth,which always prevails in the end and we have nothing to hide nor worry about and wont either. regards, jeff
oh ps,you can get a msg to dcamfranklin who thinks i dont know who he is that i'll be seeing him at the next peachstate show and bring my bail money with me because as soon as he pops off his smart mouth at me before they can stop me i'm going to jail over him
Reply follows:
I read your email with great interest. I am new to the PCGS forum and at this time I have not developed personal relationships with any members (I hope that with time relationships will develop). I write this reply to you as a courtesy in that you took the time to write me. So let me share with you my thoughts about the Thread in Question and your Email.
My post to "segoja" was simply suggesting that all buyers need to be much more careful when using eBay, and other sight-unseen forums. I was suggesting that either A) he/she be more careful in reading the description, or
I have a limited knowledge of coins and will leave the CAM/ DCAM issue to those in the "Know". I do know something about general business as I own two very successful companies. Jeff, I have no dog in this fight but I must say that in reviewing this incident and your email I can assure you that I will have no dealings with your company. I do have strong feelings about what is wrong with the coin hobby and you epitomize the problems. Jeff, why will you not accept a return? It would be fair for "segoya" to pay the eBay fees but you should accept the return. If you really believe that $1400 is a fair price it will sell for that in the next auction. You may believe that because there was no return policy stated in the auction that you do not have to accept returns. WRONG! Return allowances are a part of ethical business. You should clearly state that you "DO NOT ACCEPT RETURNS" if that is the case. Which brings me to the next problem- your ability to communicate clearly. I would guess that 90% of customer dissatisfaction is the result of poor communications. I had to read your Auction Description several times to figure out what you were trying to say. The same with your email. I don't know if your poor writing is the result of education level, carelessness, or deceptive practices. When dealing with strangers, your written word represents you. All I have to base my opinion of you is your unclear thoughts, your personal attacks, and your threats. What were you thinking when you wrote this to me? You don't know me and I just have no idea what your intent is. All I can think is that you would like me to post this on the forum as maybe you believe that based upon my post I am sympathetic to your position. As I feel everyone has a right to their own opinions and perceptions, I will post this for you.
Maybe someday we will meet in person and you can change my perception of you and your company. Nothing would please me more.
i notice that he mentioned my name in the e-mail and i was little confused as to the context------whether he was saying i did something wrong or what exactly the referenced thread was. can you clarify it for me if you are familiar with it. thanks. i'll also try to contact jeff to see if there some kind of a misunderstanding.
al h.
I guess this is the type of person peperdoodles is. Too bad the "deck post" didn't hit you harder.
BTW, dcamfranklin, perhaps you should contact the people who run the Peachstate show and suggest they ban this threatening person from their show.
I don't know this guy, I don't know you. I don't know what he is talking about. If you are concerned about being mentioned I will edit your name out. I guess he thought my post was sympathetic to him so he sent me this incoherent email.
In God We Trust.... all others pay in Gold and Silver!
i sent an e-mail in hopes of understanding what he was referring to. i did tell him i'd keep our correspondence confidential, so unless he says it's OK to post anything i'll just leave it at that. i'm hoping he hasn't somehow confused all the stuff between me and another member with himself.
al h.
<< <i>you can get a msg to dcamfranklin who thinks i dont know who he is that i'll be seeing him at the next peachstate show and bring my bail money with me because as soon as he pops off his smart mouth at me before they can stop me i'm going to jail over him >>
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Russ, NCNE
Tom
<< <i>Are Keets and Greg beating up on someone again?
Me?
Why would I ever beat up on somebody like pepperdoodles? He's too big and powerful a person to do that to. Just ask him. HAHAHAHA
My guess is that he was referring to the thread you posted a while back wondering where he'd been.
Russ, NCNE
Jeff obviously can read this board, but why is he not posting??? Simple enough to get a user id.
Is there another reason???
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
and, doodie, get the shift keys fixed on your keyboard, will ya? you truly can't effectively threaten or yell at anybody until you do.
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
to have a clue.He sound like a person with great anger and anxiety
trapped inside. Sometimes its ok to say I was wrong ,Im sorry,
I will make it right .I guess that he may be to old to change but it is rather sad.
Camelot
If you all don't understand what he is saying then you must be a bunch of retards because, well he is saying you all are a bunch of retards.
<<<<bunch of unknowledge collectors whining>>>> (crybaby retards too)
<<<<these "coin dealer wannabes" on jokebay>>>> (I knew none of you were real dealers)
<<<<these liars,storytellers and crap-starters.>>>> (I can't imagine who)
Where's the peach show at? I might want to get in on some of the action. I like a good bar fight.
like the big Doggy said we were. Growwwlllll.
Camelot
<< <i>Are we liars, retards , whiners incompetants and pot stirrers going to stand still after being insulted like the big Doggy said we were. Growwwlllll.
Hey! Who you calling a whiner?
peacockcoins
I guess we get to choose one from the list.
Camelot
<< <i>incompetants >>
P5 neg bad seller
P9 neg bad buyer
P10 neg bad buyer
P19 neg bad seller
P24 neg bad seller
neutral bad buyer
P25 neg bad seller
P36 neg worked out seller
neg worked out seller
neg worked out seller
p37 neg worked out seller
P39 neutral worked out seller
P40 neutral bad seller
P41 neg bad buyer
P48 neg bad seller
P50 neg bad seller
neg bad seller
P52 neg bad buyer
P60 neg bad buyer
P61 neutral bad seller
neg bad seller
P65 neutral bad seller
As a seller 12 negs with 4 worked out leaves only 8 bad negs.
Had 4 neutrals as seller, one was worked out, 3 were bad.
As a buyer had 5 bad negs and one bad neutral
Roughly 375 out of 1250 (50 pages) were sellers 30%
17 negs out of 2011 feedback is a .991% positive and neutral feedback rate.
17 plus the 6 neutrals out of 2011 is a .989 positive rate
8 bad negs and 3 bad neutrals out of 2011 is .995 positive and worked out rate.
From page 66 to 81 there were no negs or neutrals.
Overall, Jeff appears to be a great seller with very respectable numbers.
I bought a coin from Jeff back in May and these are the emails with the coin's description;
PQ STRONG 1960 PR66 CAMEO JEFFERSON NICKEL Item # 1350883146
PQ ! NICE EXTRA HEAVY CAMEO OBVERSE AND AN ULTRA SUPERB REVERSE WITH SUPER DEEP,PLATELIKE,GLASSY MIRRORS. EXCELLENT EYE APPEAL. BUYER PAYS ACTUAL UPS LOWER 48. GOOD LUCK !!
Hi Jeff
I've received the 1960 proof and the obverse cameo has a very light cameo effect if any, it does not have the NICE EXTRA HEAVY CAMEO OBVERSE as described in your description and shown in your picture. The reverse is very nice. Maybe another coin was sent. I apologize but I will need to return your coin to you.
Regards, Leon
Jeff's reply;
hi leon,no, you received the exact coin as is photo'd and described in the listing as did we just receive your 55. both were,and still are the precise and identicle coins as were photo'd and added to the listings. it is IMPOSSIBLE TO SEND A WRONG COIN as we label each one specifically with the ebay #,etc the second it is listed just as we have done for over a 15 mos under pepperdoodles and our 2 other id's for type coins,big ticket items,etc since 1997 on ebay with over 20,000 pos feedbacks combined. you obviously were looking for a $60 or $70 dcam out of it. probably not,but maybe. we are one of,if not the most volume submitters of cameos and proofs to both pcgs and ngc since they started. (about 2500 to 3000 coins a year on avg) and were it a lock shoe-in going to grade dcam or ultra we would have already sent it off ourselves . just like this 55 were it not hazed up and had a few hairlines under the halogen light,might would actually designate cameo instead of being a 15 or 20 coin. but,likewise,it wont cam and the 60 probaby wont dcam or ultra but both were relatively worth what each of us respectively paid for them. therefore,enough said. matter closed we're not into wasting your time or shipping and not into ours being wasted either. that's why ebay's primary funtion in the marketplace is it is an auction firm,not an approval service for you or i or the other 10's of thousands. (even though some sheisters use it for that on junk crap or they would get kicked off) respectfully, jeff.
After 2-3 weeks had passed I had sent an email asking if he had received his coin back and that I had not received any refund. With no reply I sent the following email;
Hi Jeff
Your name has come up in a forum. I wish I had something nice to say about you.
Regards Leon
So that got his attention and this is his reply.
leon, this matter was addressed about 3 weeks ago. see below forward of te original email. thanks,jeff
>leon, HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE. i told you not to waste your shipping as per below. and no, we have not rcvd a pkg of your 1960 nickel back.i told you not to send anything back to here. and i also told you that i wasnt sending that smutty 55 nickel back to you and wasting your time either. yes,i had hoped my 55 i responsibly bought and kept may go cam and be better than a 64 or 5 grade but it wasnt,it go blew out 2 weeks ago in a bulk lot to a mailordr dealer i used it for a set filler. just like you were probably hoping that 60 nickel would dcam or ucam,i had already told you i doubted that or i would have already sent it off myself and i never implied that it would in my listing. you implied i may have sent you the "wrong coin",which is bunk! you look at that coin under 10x. there are distinguishing characteristics just like a man's fingerprint on both sides of it just like are in the photos that were in the listing. you paid fair for what you got,i paid fair considering what you sent me as well. drop it man. so if you say you sent something back to here you better double check your records. i cleared this up with you weeks ago. ebay is an auction forum not an approval service. and furthermore i'm aware of the interest and discussions about the killer 1950 jefferson,it is truly awesome so someone will own a prize. i've already gotten 5 or 6 firm offers to close it down, folks are wanting it bad. now, whatever it is your trying to pull you better tread carefully. i dont like the tone of your email this morning. sounds like you think you got cheese dangling over a mouse's nose or something. dont threaten us nor say one thing on any forum anywhere or we will take the appropriate legal action that you will pay for should you say anything in public or on our feedback slanderous about us in any way shape or form. now i ask you to be clear about your angle here and email me back because i'm about getting pissed off about this. we wont be back in the office until late tomorrow. my nephew who works for us will be monitoring ebay,coin net,etc in our brief abscence from his office at home. i await your clarification. very serious and sincerely yours, jeff
My last reply was;
Since you have not received your coin back, I'll take it up with the PO.
Your description was entirely overkill for the coin you sent me. I'm not getting the appropriate responses back from you concerning this transaction. You seem to think the two transactions are related somehow.
If you didn't like the coin I sent you then you should have sent it back.
If you thought it would be a waste of time and postage then that's your problem. Your coin still could have graded PF64 or 65 and still had that great cameo effect you stated in your description. I have your mailing address, where did you state not to send back? I don't particularily like spending too much time on these matters either but I don't like getting ripped off.
Note how there are many contradictions in his emails to what the description read about the coin.
Heavy, deep and ultra are all ANACS, PCGS and NGC words for DCAM coins and I would have been happy with a cameo at $35.
Please note that I also had some auctions up on ebay and Jeff was a winner on one of them.
That was the last of the emails. I did try the PO but never heard anything from them or Jeff.
So I assumed it was lost in the mail and took the $35.00 loss which was no big deal so I did not pursue
the matter any further. It wasn’t worth taking it up with ebay and squaretrade, as it would have cost $25.
But I did know for certain that I would not deal with this individual again.
As you read through the letters, Jeff makes many assumptions about my intentions and me. Jeff also
threatens me with legal action in his statement; dont threaten us nor say one thing on any forum anywhere or we will take the appropriate legal action that you will pay for should you say anything in public or on our feedback slanderous about us in any way shape or form.
It’s obvious what’s going around about this guy is all coming back to him. Does anyone know of any other dealers like this offhand? Jeff, you must be doing something wrong to attract this much attention. You call us whiners but you only need to read your own emails to see the true whiner. Don’t expect a buyer to eat a coin that he does not want. Don’t waste your time trying to talk them into keeping it. That’s wrongful and deceit! Your auctions don’t state whether you accept returns or not so it’s easy for some buyers to assume that this is not an issue in your auctions. A buyer checks your feedback and finds it OK. So he bids with confidence because he believes you’re a sincere dealer. When he gets the coin and does not like it, it’s not up to you to convince the buyer in anyway that he’s got or stuck with what he paid for. This is manipulative practices. No seller can talk anyone into buying or keeping something they don’t want of fails to meet the description.
As for the 56 franklin 66 cam, you need to respect segoja’s opinion. The obverse is only a cam. But Jeff,
You hyped this coin as a DCAM and PCGS denied that 4 times. You asked for a higher price because you thought it was a DCAM. Segoja took your WORD and went for it only to be dismayed at what arrived in his mailbox.
You have great feedback but what’s hiding behind the full picture is now well in the light and it’s very obvious that this must be hurting you or you would have simply ignored the matter all together. The picture is quite different when the shoe is on the other foot, isn’t it.
When I say you must be doing something wrong, have you ever stopped to just think for a second that you are damaging meaningful, personal relationships with potential high paying buyers for your coins. Does that make any sense!
Buyers in these forums spend big bucks on their coins and maybe some will post what they spend to give you an idea.
You have a golden opportunity here to come clean and change your ways by simply making amendments and returning money that doesn’t rightfully belong to you. You can turn this thing around and be the better man here, an honest seller, someone who I believe really wants to enjoy this hobby and get the respect you should deserve. I would think that you could do that.
To show that I have no hard feelings towards you and to forgive you, forget about the $35. As a matter of fact, I want you and your family to go out and have a pleasant dinner on me.
I hope and pray you don’t come back with anymore insults and threats. But somehow for the hobby, as a whole, you can make it better for everyone to enjoy, including yourself Jeff. I truly believe many here would like to know more about you and perhaps , learn from you. I’m certain you can be a man of more integrity, a much more interesting person then you have demonstrated.
With due respect,
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
What a post!!!!
Love the passion.
Thank God coins are fun, and we have the ability to overlook a dealer who thinks he's God's gift to the industry.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
You point out several facts about our man. His feeback % is very strong, although I would venture to guess...based on a casual perusal of e-bay coin sellers....that his feedback ratio is one of the worst among people with 1000 or more feedback points.
Love to hear about other dealers that may have worse feedback ratios, but not sure they exist.
Some people deal in facts...others in fiction
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
<< <i>Darn FatMan you typed all that? Next time you want to c&p an mail fom Outlook save it as a text file than c&p the text file to the board. >>
Dog97
Thanks for the tip.
Pepperdoodles really sounds like a complete idiot. Most scumbags like him are just jerks, but he sounds really stupid. He likes to throw that word 'slander' around, but he just sounds like an idiot who watched Judge Judy a few times and is trying to pick up on the legal lingo.
That was the last of the emails. I did try the PO but never heard anything from them or Jeff.
So I assumed it was lost in the mail and took the $35.00 loss which was no big deal so I did not pursue
the matter any further. It wasn’t worth taking it up with ebay and squaretrade, as it would have cost $25.
But I did know for certain that I would not deal with this individual again.
Either I'm hearing the same story over and over or there seems to be a lot of packages "lost" that are sent to him. Have there been others that reported him "not receiving" returns?
For all sellers you feel are bad:
1) Going thru the eBay fraud claims is worth it. You might not get 1¢, but that is a strike against them. If they have a fraud "judgement" or whatever eBay calls it against them, it will be easier to get them kicked off eBay.
2) If returns aren't received, then alert the postal inspector to the fact that you believe a disproportionate amount of packages are "lost" when sent to this address. Tell them what you think is happening. They will look into it.
3) Should you believe that it is fraud, contact the FBI Internet Fraud Division. They frequently surf eBay for scum. Maybe you can point them in the direction of a bad seller.
CRACKOUT SPECIAL
Maybe he is busy filing all those slander lawsuits. HAHAHAHA
Pepperdoodles = moron!
i'm wondering why you seem to take such perverse pleasure in this thread??? your allusion to his auctions running out being tied to what we're discussing are most likely groundless and quite coincidental. i routinely "watch" about 20-30 eBay sellers and recently noticed that seller jwcameo had no listings would you care to venture as to the reason for that?? not that i know with any certainty, but i suspect it's because he has no items he wished to list. DUH!!!!
we have enough contention, hearsay and innuendo over here as it is. why not stick to facts and truth instead of concentrating on proving Mr. Funderburke's assertions to be correct?!?! and while i'm at it, why not also open your PM function? a message of this ilk is one i would rather send privately through that channel, but you continue to keep it closed.
while you are a constant negative influence on this forum, your identity is constantly shrouded in mystery. you haven't got the balls to let us all know who you are, yet you attack without provocation, a form of the highest example of coward. come ou, come out whoever you are!!!!!
al h.
Your crappy "ilk" is exactly what I DON'T care to read. Here, in a public forum, or in a PM.
You want to continue to defend Pepperdoodles, have at it. I would wonder who it is you have been PM'ing back in forth with about this topic?? Don't bother responding. I'm sure you won't admit it.
I'm MOST happy to have his threads on the front page as a nice warning for the unsuspecting.
in your haste to attack you have totally misunderstood, which is understandable. the PM'ing i'm referring to is the previous response to you. and i'm not defending anyone or anything. quite to the contrary, i'm attacking an idea/action and a perpetrator, which would be you!!!
al h.
why not open your PM function and profile so we can see who you are and contact you?
al h.
Russ, NCNE
The buyer read a highly embelished description that led him to believe the coin was just the slightest bit from DCAM. Then the coin arrives and he says the obverse is a 5 on a Cameo scale of 1 to 10!
Pepperdoodles sends numerous threatening e-mails to Greg. Tell me Russ, what is the 2nd side of that story?