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I made a MS-67 FBL Franklin!

ToneloverTonelover Posts: 1,554 ✭
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In last weeks post on the Bay State show here in Boston, I displayed my new purchases while at the same time wondering if I needed my head examined because of how much I paid for them. I cracked them and sent to PCGS primarily because I wanted them re-holdered reverse up, and yes, a little upgrade wouldn't have hurt either as I needed all the help I could get.

I got the results today and was pretty much floored. The 58-D Quarter went from NGC66* to PCGS 67, the 58-D Franklin went from NGC 65* to PCGS 67FBL, one of 9-10 graded by PCGS to date. I was truly astounded, honestly I thought the Quarter had a shot at 67 on color but was expecting a 66 FBL at best on the Half. I know, they're still the same coins and don't want to start a debate over what color can do to a grade, just let me enjoy this victory for now. image

1958-D Washington Quarter PCGS 67
1958-D Franklin Half PCGS MS-67 FBL

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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Ummm.. Tonelover, we need to discuss that Frankie in private!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • ClankeyeClankeye Posts: 3,928 ✭
    Wow. Congratulations are in order, without getting into the ramifications. That is a good day indeed.
    I had a similar experience of late with a toned quarter. Same date, too.
    But, to have the Franklin go 67FBL is nothing short of amazing! A couple more submissions like that and you can retire.
    Well, if it's gonna happen, I'm glad it happened for a forum member.
    Again, congratulations and enjoy.
    Carl
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • agentjim007agentjim007 Posts: 6,256 ✭
    Lucy, get your A** over here. There is a Franklin on the loose.

    OOPS she's a step ahead of me.
  • eminememinem Posts: 258
    First let me congratulate you on the coins. they are fabulous. second, as i look at the franklin the only surface problem i see is the two ticks below frankies hair. is that truly a 67 i am looking at or a fabulously toned reverse i'm looking at?




  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    WOW Jon - one heck of a reverse on that Franklin!!! - Looks like the awesome toning took the piece over the top! - How does it compare to a 66 technically?

    Frank
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lucy...Don't you EVER sleep? image
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh yeah...CONGRATS Tonelover!
  • KlectorKidKlectorKid Posts: 3,723
    Congrats
    image
  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good job Jon! You work hard and deserve a good report from the grading Gods every now and then image Wondercoin
    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Quick, change the title of this thread! No one else needs to now about this Frankie.....
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • 09sVDB09sVDB Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭
    Congrats Jon . A good turn for a good person.
  • GilbertGilbert Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭
    sniffle, sniffle.

    Out _ _ _ _ingStanding!

    When will I happen upon such beauties? For keeps, that is?
    Gilbert
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Ahhhh........Tonelover is going to get MY shakedown! (inside joke w/Lucy from another thread) image
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    I'm getting my paws on this cat first, now where are those maps so I can hunt him down!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Seriously though Jon, that is one awesome submission. Fabulous reverse! Congratulations!
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Great coins and congratulations on the grades !! So much for David Hall claiming PCGS grades tougher than NGC, guess that is the case only when they are submitted still in the NGC holder. image

    I love that quarter, is it for sale? image
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Ok, I know we just had a long peace thread, but this gem changes everything, everone scram!!!!! Find another thread!!!image
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Don't you know Ol'Hall is going to read this tonight and some poor grader is going to get fired tomorrow morning?

    Too late now Lucy. We're going to keep this baby at the TOP of the page!
  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW!!!

    image

    Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...



  • ColorfulcoinsColorfulcoins Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭
    Way to go Jon! We'll no doubt be seeing these 2 toned beauties on the #1 tone-lover site shortly: yours!
    Craig
    If I had it my way, stupidity would be painful!
  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭
    Congrats on the 67 FBL. It is a beauty. Very clean obverse, and superb reverse too. Way to go!!!image mdwoods
    National Register Of Big Trees

    We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
  • PaultjunoPaultjuno Posts: 76
    Gads! Normally I'm not a tone freak, but I would love to take this coin over my "chocolate-brown" toning (er, just plain dark ugly toning).
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's the BEST upgrade I've heard in a long time! Stunning coin! Looks like it is in the right holder now.
    Congratulations!

    peacockcoins

  • jomjom Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey JR: You can get MS67's all day long but NEITHER of those coins compare to your ICON SLQ. No contest!

    jom
  • ToneloverTonelover Posts: 1,554 ✭
    I still like the SLQ better too!
  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭
    a big old woooooohoooooo from this corner.

    bayootiffull
  • merz2merz2 Posts: 2,474 ✭
    Tonelover
    Let me add my congrats.That is truely one for the good guys.I love to hear these kind of stories.Makes me feel good all over,and it wasn't even me.image
    Don
    Registry 1909-1958 Proof Lincolns
  • homerunhallhomerunhall Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭
    Tonelover...I didn't see them when they were here, but they sure look awesome in the picture. Nice make...David Hall
  • ToneloverTonelover Posts: 1,554 ✭
    Thank you, they are awesome and have eye appeal that should make PCGS proud to have in their holders.
  • heavycopperheavycopper Posts: 99 ✭
    Wow, Tonelover. That is the nicest toned Franklin I have ever seen. I have 3 1958-D FBL but they are brilliant from rolls. Is this one from a mint set? Did you but it raw and have NGC graded it first? Grading can be mysterious. How can NGC give it a MS65 and Pcgs give it a 67? It is the same coin! Anyways, it looks wonderful. Nicely toned Franklins are so rare.
  • GaCoinGuyGaCoinGuy Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭✭
    Is that date on the Frankie doubled, or do I need my glasses? Either way.......I like that reverse, and Kudos on the grade.
    imageimage

  • KAJ1KAJ1 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭
    Jon,
    how much???????????????

    image

    Kevin
  • oldcameoproofsguyoldcameoproofsguy Posts: 3,174 ✭
    Before this thread I wasn't going to try and cross any of my NGC Franklins, but now....

    Nice coin, congratulations!
  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭


    << <i>How can NGC give it a MS65 and Pcgs give it a 67? It is the same coin! Anyways, it looks wonderful. Nicely toned Franklins are so rare. >>



    my understanding is ngc is notoriously tough on the business strikes, (particularly the fbls), while pcgs is tough on the proofs, (particularly the cameos and dcams).

    anyone else ever hear this, or is this just another urban legend?????????

    z
  • StratStrat Posts: 612 ✭✭✭
    Nice score, Jon! Could the timing be right???

  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    In my experience I have found them to be graded about the same, with the exception of the Bell Lines. NGC looks at all 7 lines while PCGs only takes the very bottom ones into consideration. So, I have some NGC's that did not get the Full Bell desgination that I think will cross and get it with PCGs. But the graded seems to be about the same with maybe NCG being alittle looser. This is based on my Franklins that I have handled and purchased. Now in this case, NGC was obviously very tight......


    And Lucy gets first crack at this Frankie!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • StratStrat Posts: 612 ✭✭✭
    Cool, I just made veteran...too bad it wasn't a more astute post. image
  • StratStrat Posts: 612 ✭✭✭
    LucyBop, that's been my experience as well--PCGS is more lenient on the bell lines, while NGC is more lenient on the number grade yet tougher on the bell lines. Now that would've been a more proper 501st. post, but hey, you beat me to it!

  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭
    BennieBop, that was what i was trying to convey, thank's for the correction.
    z

    edited to add:

    by the way, a very good question on just this subject was asked, but the answer deferred to next week, over on Q&A.
  • SarasotaFrankSarasotaFrank Posts: 1,625 ✭✭
    Jon:

    That Franklin looks mysteriously like the one I sent you a couple of weeks ago for your opinion! - You know the one you said you never got?

    image

    I guess I had better add a "just kidding" before someone thinks I did send it to you! image

    Fabulous coin - are you sure it isn't one of mine?
    "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather did, as opposed to screaming in terror like his passengers."
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Ok SarasotaFrank, from here on out you send them to Lucy and only Lucy. You will get a fair honest opinion.
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • tonerstoners Posts: 403
    Hey Jon,
    One word Awsome
    Allen
    Love those TONED Coins, a true Addict!!!

    Proud member of TCCS!
  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gorgeous Coin! Apparently your eye and instincts were right on in prompting you to pay the price. Congratulations!
    The longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it possible for an empire to rise without His aid? Benjamin Franklin
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Jon,

    NGC will now holder toned coins reverse up if requested (and they agree the toning is worth it).

    Now, who still says that PCGS is ALWAYS tighter than NGC?????
    Keith ™

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