I know someone who has 2 accounts. One represents his main board personality, and the other to represent his presence in the registry game. I rarely see him post anything under his registry identity, but he wants it because he feels it is useful for security reasons.
He likes to meet people, and he does this under his primary ID. But, he doesn't want anyone to know the extent of his collection. But, this ID is a non-entity in the registry game. So, if he feels compelled to comment on an issue involving the registry, then he feels that he can get more respect if he did so under his nom de registry.
I suspect that there is a number of these folks here and across the street...
EVP's comments made me think of an interesting point. I have stated my position quite strongly against multiple ID's on this forum, and of course I follow that principle in practice. But, I am not Gemtone65 on E-bay. I find it convenient to use a separate ID there, because the focus is so different from here, and I don't want anything I say here to adversely affect my auction activity over there.
In contrast, it's curious to me that many forum members who have been recently "outed" for having multiple ID's here tend to use one of those same ID's on E-bay. I guess the reason is that most of them are on the sell side, and to some extent the exposure they get here helps drum up interest in their auction offerings.
It is easy to adopt a forceful opinion on a matter when differing opinions aren't of benefit. The hard part is trying to see how differing opinions may be of value to others, and then seeing how important it is to allow for a plurality of opinion and choices.
It is amazing how so many others don't recognize this notion...
Well, it would seem only GMarguli wants to defend the practice of using multiple identities on this Forum. EVP has given an instance where a highly informed individual wants to use 2 identities for all the right reasons and he has good intentions using the 2 identities. It would appear the use of multiple identities is certainly not encouraged my Members and we can find little reason for multiple identities.
I'm hopeful the multiple identities comes to a swift end.
I would have said initially that multiple handles should be forbidden.
But Greg pointed out that someone may wish to post some useful information in a way that wouldn't disclose the source, and EVP cited an example of a member who wishes to keep the extent of his registry set anonymous. I feel both are justified.
What it boils down to is that no one would care if someone used a dozen handles, provided it wasn't done to incite problems, flame people mercilessly, deceive people on the B/S/T forum, post negative information about someone, or post outright falsehoods. Think about it - if it turned out that dpoole, bear, Trime, and merz2 all were different handles of the same person, would any of you be upset? I seriously doubt it. They don't cause trouble, and they post helpful information. The offenses I mentioned are the things that have people upset. Those are the things should be dealt with by the forum moderators regardless of whether people are using ten handles, or just one.
On another board I use, multiple handles are strictly prohibited, and those who do it are banned outright instantly. Yet, I remember a time when one long-time member created a new name to post about a life-threatening depression he went through. He even confessed in the thread that he was using a new handle for the purposes of that discussion. The moderators could have easily figured out who it was and banned him, but no action was taken. He couldn't have posted what he did otherwise, and that was rightfully taken into account.
Greg's and EVP's examples are logical and justified. It's not the fact that some people use multiple handles, it's what they do with them.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< Every IP address is an alias for a MAC address. The MAC address is hard coded into the network interface card(NIC). This is the only way you could track and stop trolls. >>
And even then it's not that effective. Give me your MAC address, and I can spoof it within a few minutes.
I personally don't think multiple identities are that big of a deal. Greg pointed out several good reasons a multiple identity may be warranted. The effort to track all of these multiple identities is tremendous. And people will continue to create new ones.
I think if you're not grown-up enough to deal with trolls and multiple identities, perhaps you should not be posting here.
I don't mean to sound insensitive, but I thought this was a coin forum, not a medical convention. If you have depression, is this the best place to discuss your problems?
Also, if you want to keep your identity secret, can't you do so with just one ID? And, if it is secret, who cares if you mix idle chatter with registry information? Who would care anyway even if they knew who you were?
The point is, it seems to me, that there may be minor conveniences to a small proportion of the members from having and using multiple ID's. But, look at the mischief, deception and bad will that can result.
The situation here is about a single person who allegedly used 2 ID's that caused an uproar. Is there a rash of uproars caused by multiple ID's?
The biggest source of uproars around here is simply that we are testy and nasty to each other. We can do that with a single ID. Why condem those with multiple ID's when that's NOT the source of the problem?
<< <i>I don't mean to sound insensitive, but I thought this was a coin forum, not a medical convention. If you have depression, is this the best place to discuss your problems? >>
I should have made it clearer that my example was not from this board (it was a different site that's not coin-related).
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< I don't mean to sound insensitive, but I thought this was a coin forum, not a medical convention. If you have depression, is this the best place to discuss your problems? >>
You know, I have these weird, pus-filled boils on my buttocks... And this nasty rash that...er...never mind.
There are no doubt posters here, with single I.D.'s, who cause more trouble and harm than others with multiple I.D.'s.
I think kranky said it best when he stated:
<< <i>What it boils down to is that no one would care if someone used a dozen handles, provided it wasn't done to incite problems, flame people mercilessly, deceive people on the B/S/T forum, post negative information about someone, or post outright falsehoods. Think about it - if it turned out that dpoole, bear, Trime, and merz2 all were different handles of the same person, would any of you be upset? I seriously doubt it. They don't cause trouble, and they post helpful information. The offenses I mentioned are the things that have people upset. Those are the things should be dealt with by the forum moderators regardless of whether people are using ten handles, or just one. >>
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I know someone who has 2 accounts. One represents his main board personality, and the other to represent his presence in the registry game. I rarely see him post anything under his registry identity, but he wants it because he feels it is useful for security reasons.
He likes to meet people, and he does this under his primary ID. But, he doesn't want anyone to know the extent of his collection. But, this ID is a non-entity in the registry game. So, if he feels compelled to comment on an issue involving the registry, then he feels that he can get more respect if he did so under his nom de registry.
I suspect that there is a number of these folks here and across the street...
EVP
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In contrast, it's curious to me that many forum members who have been recently "outed" for having multiple ID's here tend to use one of those same ID's on E-bay. I guess the reason is that most of them are on the sell side, and to some extent the exposure they get here helps drum up interest in their auction offerings.
It is easy to adopt a forceful opinion on a matter when differing opinions aren't of benefit. The hard part is trying to see how differing opinions may be of value to others, and then seeing how important it is to allow for a plurality of opinion and choices.
It is amazing how so many others don't recognize this notion...
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
I'm hopeful the multiple identities comes to a swift end.
But Greg pointed out that someone may wish to post some useful information in a way that wouldn't disclose the source, and EVP cited an example of a member who wishes to keep the extent of his registry set anonymous. I feel both are justified.
What it boils down to is that no one would care if someone used a dozen handles, provided it wasn't done to incite problems, flame people mercilessly, deceive people on the B/S/T forum, post negative information about someone, or post outright falsehoods. Think about it - if it turned out that dpoole, bear, Trime, and merz2 all were different handles of the same person, would any of you be upset? I seriously doubt it. They don't cause trouble, and they post helpful information. The offenses I mentioned are the things that have people upset. Those are the things should be dealt with by the forum moderators regardless of whether people are using ten handles, or just one.
On another board I use, multiple handles are strictly prohibited, and those who do it are banned outright instantly. Yet, I remember a time when one long-time member created a new name to post about a life-threatening depression he went through. He even confessed in the thread that he was using a new handle for the purposes of that discussion. The moderators could have easily figured out who it was and banned him, but no action was taken. He couldn't have posted what he did otherwise, and that was rightfully taken into account.
Greg's and EVP's examples are logical and justified. It's not the fact that some people use multiple handles, it's what they do with them.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
How do we know that you're not EVP. Oh, wait, *I* am EVP. Or am I TDN?
Take care,
Emmitt Smith
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
And even then it's not that effective. Give me your MAC address, and I can spoof it within a few minutes.
I personally don't think multiple identities are that big of a deal. Greg pointed out several good reasons a multiple identity may be warranted. The effort to track all of these multiple identities is tremendous. And people will continue to create new ones.
I think if you're not grown-up enough to deal with trolls and multiple identities, perhaps you should not be posting here.
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Also, if you want to keep your identity secret, can't you do so with just one ID? And, if it is secret, who cares if you mix idle chatter with registry information? Who would care anyway even if they knew who you were?
The point is, it seems to me, that there may be minor conveniences to a small proportion of the members from having and using multiple ID's. But, look at the mischief, deception and bad will that can result.
The situation here is about a single person who allegedly used 2 ID's that caused an uproar. Is there a rash of uproars caused by multiple ID's?
The biggest source of uproars around here is simply that we are testy and nasty to each other. We can do that with a single ID. Why condem those with multiple ID's when that's NOT the source of the problem?
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
<< <i>I don't mean to sound insensitive, but I thought this was a coin forum, not a medical convention. If you have depression, is this the best place to discuss your problems? >>
I should have made it clearer that my example was not from this board (it was a different site that's not coin-related).
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
Russ, NCNE
You know, I have these weird, pus-filled boils on my buttocks... And this nasty rash that...er...never mind.
I think kranky said it best when he stated:
<< <i>What it boils down to is that no one would care if someone used a dozen handles, provided it wasn't done to incite problems, flame people mercilessly, deceive people on the B/S/T forum, post negative information about someone, or post outright falsehoods. Think about it - if it turned out that dpoole, bear, Trime, and merz2 all were different handles of the same person, would any of you be upset? I seriously doubt it. They don't cause trouble, and they post helpful information. The offenses I mentioned are the things that have people upset. Those are the things should be dealt with by the forum moderators regardless of whether people are using ten handles, or just one. >>