My Thick-Headed, Numskull Engish teacher has DONE IT AGAIN!!!!!!!
airplanenut
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First, she approved my outline... then I wrote... for about 16 hours, with 5 hours on the first 6 pages...
Then, yesterday, she gave me two options:
a) take out the first six pages, they don't prove the thesis
b) rewrite your thesis so it incorporates the first 6 pages...
I chose option b, had her approve the new thesis, and made all needed corrections- then I hit the print button and out came 20 full pages...
Today (mind you, the paper is DUE TOMORROW) she decides that my first six pages, which are on the advancement of technology (SCIENCE) of minting coins over the last 3000 years, isn't in the realm of humanities... I know have to go look up more for my "finished" research paper to please her YET AGAIN and prove the sciences are under the realm of the humanities...
DUH!!!!!! What did all those Greek geniuses do? SCIENCE- and they called themselves HUMANISTS- that makes this UNDER THE REALM OF THE HUMANITIES!!!!!!!
She, in my opinion, has officially lost my respect for life, and I will no longer find her to be a qualified teacher.
Damn, my day SUCKED!
Jeremy PS- thanks for letting me vent
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Life in general can have these same challenges, learning to deal with the person is the most important lesson you are learning now.
It is 14 1/2 pages of text... so the picture appendicies start on Page 15 and go through page 18; Page 19 and 20 are works consulted
Ya gotta give the people what they want to keep 'em satisfied. Try to rework what you have, and turn it in with a good attitude (even if it kills you). You will show your class and -- I'll bet -- achieve an even better result for it!
Best of luck, and keep plugging!
Edited to fix sloppy spelling: An "F" for me!
William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
status of the society in which it was coined. An explanation of the minting procedures would seem
to be an appropriate lead in to the humanistic concerns. As an example ,the debasement of currencies
during the decline of the Roman Empire ,may well have accelerated the onset of the 800 year dark ages.
The purity and absolute value of currency had a direct effect on a populations confidence in
their government as well as the well being of trade and bussiness in the era of hard currency.
Perhaps the first 5 pages should be moved to the back of the report as a reference appendices on coinage
production and the body of the report be reduced to 16 remaining pages.
Adding such references should not offend your teachers sense of purity for a humanity thesis. Bear
Camelot
Airplanenut,
Maybe a paper about the Presidents on the coins would fall into the realm of humanities.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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a- the Humanities DO deal with advancements and achievements of humans- this section is about the advancement of technology
b- she approved of my outline, she approved of this yesterday- she is telling me the day before it is due, not when I asked to be sure that everything was acceptable, that this topic is no longer acceptable until I can prove it.
c- Every essay I have written for her so far, I have lost points because something I included assumed that the reader had a background in the field. I know my reader has no clue what on earth coins are except money, so I included plenty of background.
c.1- This background information is referred to later the the paper- if I take it out, the paper loses coherence.
c.2- I even had to add definitions available in a dictionary because she didn't know what I meant by "obverse" and "reverse"
d- She has always said an essays length should never have a maximum- even if a short essay becomes 100 pages- because, in experiences with her son's essays, she has felt he removed what was most important/some of the best parts
d.1- This is an important part and I feel quite well written
Jeremy
<< <i>Ya gotta give the people what they want to keep 'em satisfied. Try to rework what you have, and turn it in with a good attitude (even if it kills you). You will show your class and -- I'll bet -- achieve an even better result for it!
>>
My class is on my side- they have all been impressed by seeing the level of depth I have included (and the length of the paper). Everyone I have talked with has sided with me saying that what she did was hypocritical and inexcusable after both approving it and knowing that the paper is due tomorrow.
<< <i>Airplanenut,
Maybe a paper about the Presidents on the coins would fall into the realm of humanities. >>
Leo, Nice idea, but I pushed for coins because I have such a strong interest in them- presidents just wouldn't give me the enthusiasm I need to write a really good piece of work.
Jeremy
WHACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's for the "Numbskulls" crack. Remember, dear... teacher's are mean because we love you.
and this is important to his grade? Bear(He didnt seem to like my advise but then Im only a bear)
Camelot
Bear- I like the ideas, but I don't have a chance to speak with my teacher... I just got lots of backup information from a history teacher friend that will help me...
I also have the course catalogs of a few universities mentioning technology in humanities courses.
Jeremy
PS- Clank- have I defnitely secured a spot on Monday with this post? BTW- that hurt
<< <i>Screw it, go Trick-Or-Treating instead!
I wish
Do what the teacher wants.
Ray
I've just noticed but my son has a Nascar website, Last week he used by credit card to renew
his yearly description on his domain or something, later about that.
I think you need to use what you have but shorten it even if she says to drop the first 6 pages and place more emphases in those areas of your paper that are about the humanities of your outline and topic. The grade is more important then being headstrong in this matter. Look at it this way, if you were in a work environment 10 years from now and your boss was under pressure and he has just dumped it upon you to get your project in order, what are you suppose to do or how are you suppose to react. There's probably nothing wrong with your paper but in todays world your tuters will surprise you with anything to help you get ready for it.
You've been put to the test, how will you rise out of it to satisfy your boss....so to speak.
Leo
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Listen to the older voices of reason: save the intractablity for someplace where it will really matter.
All of this said with best wishes that you get a terrific result!
William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
<< <i>Jeremy, did she approve your topic in the first place? It seems she did and then changed her mind. If this is the case, take it up with the department chairperson or the administration. Or, if worst comes to worst, have your parents talk to the teacher. In most cases a teacher will back down and side with your parents in the end, especially if you can prove your point in a logical and unemotional way. >>
Not only that- She APPROVED THESE SIX PAGES YESTERDAY!!!!! My parents did talk with an assistant principal, my guidance couselor, and the teacher today (I called to complain from school). I have found colleges with course in classical humanites encompassing technology... looks like I've won because she never specified which "realm of the humanities"
Back to work
Don't take it too personal. (I think what she's really telling you is that she doesn't want to read 14.5 pages of text!) I know there was "no maximum" but I believe the minimum was only 2 pages. Sometimes ya gotta give the people what they want, especially if they are the ones dishing out the grades (or have a badge and gun). Choose your battles son, there will be bigger ones to fight down the road. You will go far with your passion and the commercial airliner we all fly on will be safer someday once you start engineering/designing them for Boeing. (If we can just do something about those boozing pilots).
Joe
Dont try to win the battle at any cost, only to lose the war.I have found in my long life,
if you embarrass the person in authority and make them back down under duress, then you
will pay a heavy price somewhere down the road. Please let us all know how this matter
turns out for you. We all wish you the best of good luck in a tough situation. Bear
Camelot
<< <i> You have got to live with this teacher till the end of the year. >>
No way will i EVER live with her!!!
As per my argument, this added paragraph sums it up:
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>While today one thinks of the humanities as “the branches of learning (as philosophy, arts, or languages) that investigate human constructs and concerns as opposed to natural processes (as in physics or chemistry) and social relations (as in anthropology or economics)” (Miriam Webster “humanity”), the ancient concept of the humanities encompassed, among other topics, technology, art, and religion (College of the Humanities).<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Also included in the realm of the humanities is philosophy (Humanities/Philosophy). <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“Greek philosophers studied all areas of human knowledge, from physics to astronomy to … music and art” (Beers 91).<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, all aspects of coinage, an ancient and refined art and technology, are embraced by the humanities in the classical sense of the word.
I believe SHE has lost this time, and she can no longer disprove me.
Jeremy, pissed, tired, headached, and relieved</FONT>
What I have noticed is this:
For the people who found topics in which they had a strong background, their papers were about my length, maybe a little shorter. The papers that only meet the minimum are for people who found the word "humanities" and decided to go with the topic, having no idea what they had gotten themselves into- most shorter papers are also of people who didn't start work until tuesday and didn't have the time for detail... I devoted a weekend to this paper so I was able to add plenty of details.
Jeremy
At this point and time you just may Hate this teacher. Sometime down the Road of Life I am going to guess you just might Really Admire the Teacher for the way you are now getting your education. From My school days it seems as the Really Fine Teachers were despised because they made us work. It took ten or twenty years to realize they were the Good People and the ones that just gave a Grade for nothing were the Bad Guys.
Keep plugging and Good Luck with the Paper.
Ken
Jeremy
When you are a little older, you will understand that the world is filled with all of the
shades of gray. Nothing is absolute and you must allow people some latitude for
their own shortcomings and insecurities. while It is easy to hate, it is far wiser
to understand. In time , you will be amazed how much more complex the world and people
seem to become. While it may be a bit difficult during the hard teen years, be a little
more forgiving of those around you. We all need a bit of kindness and forgiveness at times.
Tired Old Bear
Camelot
<< <i>while It is easy to hate, it is far wiser to understand. >>
I cannot hate her- I HATE hitler, I HATE the Nazis and what they did- never have I encountered a person whom I can say I hate... it is too strong a word.
<< <i>We all need a bit of kindness and forgiveness at times.
>>
If she earns it, I will see that she gets it- however, she has done a lot right now to keep from earning it... it won't be too easy for her. In the mean time, I will do as I have done with all dislike teachers- I will make it seem as if they are in fact my very favorite.
Jeremy
Consider your roadblocks as additional challenges, created just for you because you are special.
Consider them challenges not only to your intellect, but also to your level of patience, your level of deference, your character.
Overcome these additional roadblocks through an ease of nature and quiet confidence, and then move on like the additional effort was miniscule. Your attitude can be your ultimate weapon. Don't let it backfire.
Do what they ask. Show 'em it can't possibly bother you, and be ready to move on.
Just MHO. Keep up the good work, Jeremy.
This is also fuel for my guidance counselor, who proved uselessness yet again (my brother had problems with him, too)
<< <i>Instead of being a wimp you should give your teacher a good cussing out. >>
Dog, if the concept of grades, suspensions, expulsions, and criminal law didn't exist, I wouldn't be that easy.
You've gotten lots of excellent advice. Here's a few things I've learned that I'll add to the list:
1. Nobody ever cares how much toil or how long something took. 5 minutes or 5 hours, it's the finished product that usually counts most.
2. There's 3 kinds of knowledge: what you know, what you don't know, and what you don't know that you don't know. (Just think about it for a minute). So, in light of the last kind, just keep an open mind when a teacher or somebody proposes something you dislike or don't understand. Think about alternatives and ways to solve the problem at hand, rather than wasting too much energy fighting. It'll help you more than you know in the long run.
3. Don't spend your academic career scurrying to satisfy the ever changing whims of teachers. Pick a strong direction in your papers, and develop & support it so fully that there can be no rebuttal to your arguments. Develop a passion for the things that motivate and interest you. Put that passion into your work & papers. Then your work will satisfy you, and in the process, satisfy teachers, etc. Professors hate nothing more than a student who flip flops about just to please them, rather than picking something and proving it.
Best of luck to you.
(I know these things because I wrote more papers than I care to remember in the process of getting a BA in English. And since four years of that wasn't enough torment
with care, then win them. Bear
Camelot
<< <i>Professors hate nothing more than a student who flip flops about just to please them, rather than picking something and proving it. >>
I was VERY satisfied with what I felt to be my best paper ever... she was the one who told me not changing it could hurt my grade. I had to change to please her
<< <i>airplanenut get ready to be pushed around the rest of your life by backstabbing co-workers, butthead bosses & everybody else if you don't stick up for yourself. Try it, it feels good. That's the only way you will ever be a leader. >>
I've stuck up for myself before, I will stick up again... eventually maybe I won't be seen as a teenager who is wrong by definition, but as a person... hey, you never know... it could happen...
Camelot
<< <i>I think that dog is a pit bull with an attitude.
And you're just a cuddly little bear with a big growl?
Jeremy,
I'm not going to try and tell you what to do or what not to do. It sounds to me that at this point in time nothing you do will produce a satisfactory result (make you feel good). However, you can still take pride in producing a quality product - a product that represents your intellect and your hard work. Try and take some joy, and gain some satisfaction from that accomplishment, no matter what else happens or what others think. You have something, you did it, it represents your knowledge and its what you wanted to do. In the long run, I think the accomplishment will mean much more than the grade or the teacher's feelings about the paper. Nobody can take your work away from you. In the short run, you will most likely be miserable and angry, for a while - but those feelings are a normal part of life. I'm sorry this has happened to you, it sounds very unfair, but I believe you have the strength and intellect to put this unpleasant experience behind you.
The best advice I can give you is - strive, as you grow, to adopt Richard Feynman's attitude, stated very well in the title of one of his books "What Do I Care What Other People Think?" As you know, Feynman was a great physicist who also understood the humanities, much more than your teacher ever will.
Best wishes - you have people who care about you in this forum. If you have a cat, give it some petting time.
Camelot
<< <i>Best wishes - you have people who care about you in this forum. If you have a cat, give it some petting time.
I'll pet my guinea pig tomorrow- gotta go to sleep now
I really like what you said... I am proud of my paper, and I am proud for sticking up for what I feel is right, even though it is a losing battle. As much as I don't care about people's beliefs, in all honesty, the teacher does have the ability to fail me out of the course, which wouldn't look... well... good on a college application... it's all blackmail!
And she won't take my work away from me- I am proud for what I did, and always will be. Plus, I still got the last laugh since I kept all 6 pages in
Jeremy
PS- it is nice to know that you guys care
William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
Our coinage has always reflected the state of society. It is a culmination of art and science and often reflects the values of people. There is quite often a reflection of our moral and spiritual values and beliefs expressed on the designs. The science involved has had an integral part of the growth of this art form. As we have developed socially, so has our coinage both artistically and technologically.
If your teacher cannot see the way that coinage is involved with humanities then he is undoubtedly obtuse.