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Something about dealers...what is it?

I am "new" again to collecting coins. I rememeber as a kid being pushed aside by old or fat men with cigars at coin shows. No offense but as a 12yr, that was my impression, with hard earning grass cutting and snow shoveling money I thought I was big time! Dealers bascially ignored me, in hindsight I can understand, I was a minor and they assumed I had little to no money. They were half right. I slowly grew out of my coin collecting interest.

Today I am an old, but not fat man, who has alot more money to play with and have a renewed interest in coin collecting. Emphasis on "collecting".

I recently emailed 3 "high" end dealers inquiring about making a series of purchases. Not to brag, but I am in the position to spend per month about $12,500. At least for the next few years. I have started several different tpyes of collections emphasizing gold and early 19th century coins.

Well I waited and waited and waited. Not a single reply from the dealers. Go figure. Then I discovered this group and from there eBay and in the span of jsut a week I purchased nearly 2x my monthly budget!! Oops!

My point, why don't dealers take inquiries seriously? Why bother having a website? Do they really have the coins they say they do? Or are dealers simply selling each others coins in a sort of round robin?

BTW, David Hall rare coins , David lawrence rare coins and Wintrop Coins your not answering your emails just cost you a bundle. I now like using ebay and dealing with other "collectors and collect / dealers". While eBay does have it shortcomings, it sure has leveled the playing field. Hopefully dealers will wake up to the fact that there is lots of competition out there, we need them but we also need dealers who are responsive. Who knows, that timid frail little kid you ignore at the show could turn out to be your biggest customer, or so could his dad or his uncle.

Bottom line....be nice.

Comments

  • here's some free advice. before rushing out and blowing those bucks, be conservative and attend a few major shows and get to know some dealers. choose one that you feel you can work with. become his buddy. let him work for you. it can open your world to stuff you will never see on ebay and sometimes at prices that will help you stretch that 12.5k monthly budget. read up on your collecting interests. figure out some of the 'secret keys'. at some point you will want to recover some or all of your investment. right now you're buying at retail. that, alone will make recouping your bux difficult. stop that!
    if my advice doesn't work, try adding some girth around the middle and take up cigar smoking...maybe they'll pay attention to you then.image good luck!
    image
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    I suspect that once you go outside the norm of buying something via sticking an item in an electronic shopping cart and checking-out, most dealers are uncomfortable dealing over the internet. (The exception would be internet-only dealers.) They have a web site because they feel they have to, in order to keep up with the competition, but they would prefer to give you the "once over" either in person or on the phone in order to determine how serious a buyer you are. I also suspect they don't have the staff to answer the thousands of emails they receive (ever send an email to PCGS, I'm still waiting for a response to my simple question).
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Something about dealers. What is it? Maybe its the fact that some can follow you into a revolving door and come out ahead of you.
    I couldn't resist.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • I never attended a coin show at 12 years old so consider
    yourself lucky you got early exposure. And I'd forget about
    those dealers and fat men who snubbed you because one of
    them may just have the coin you want one day.
    I think Cointagious is very correct saying "get to know some
    dealers" and develop a good relationship with a dealer or two.
    They can buy for you as well as sell for you and they
    will know exactly what you want.
    Besides, most of those coins you want will never make it to
    your local coin shows, they'll be sold. But a trusted dealer
    friend who travels to shows can keep a sharp lookout for you.
    No one can tell you how to spend that monthly budget but
    if I were you I'd take a breather. I'd make very
    sure you aren't just buying to be accumulating. You haven't
    said what you are collecting. Are you focusing on a series,
    type collecting or what?

    - Charlie B -
    "location, location, location...eye appeal, eye appeal, eye appeal"
    My website
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't let your collection get too far ahead of your knowledge. Certainly in your
    position there will be a tendency to want to throw money at a collection until it
    is complete. This could prove to be very costly. There is a great deal to learn
    about the market and grading. Start with less expensive items and ask lots of
    questions, look at lots of coins and try to gain at least some focus. It is not crit-
    ical that you specialize, but it's much easier to learn a few series than all of them.
    Be sure to sell a coin once in a while. You never really know how well you're do-
    ing until you try to sell something. Eventually tou'll have to get rid of some coins
    because of upgrades and changing interest anyway, so you may as well learn how
    to sell as you go. Whatever you collect there will be bargains and some bad deals,
    learn to tell the difference. Have fun.

    Welcome aboard.
    Tempus fugit.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    dude, of all the ones you might pick, David Hall rare coins , David lawrence rare coins and Wintrop Coins, good lord, man, have you lost your senses??? i couldn't think of a more ludicrous buttload of blathering boneheads than those three musketeers, unless you want to throw in the illustious Anthony Swiatek.

    i've had the advantage of knowing pretty much all the big names over the years, go with the good guys, like J Cline and Jack Beymer. any others you might be considering, if i've had personal experience w/them, i'd be glad to offer an opinion.

    K S


  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>dude, of all the ones you might pick, David Hall rare coins , David lawrence rare coins and Wintrop Coins, good lord, man, have you lost your senses??? i couldn't think of a more ludicrous buttload of blathering boneheads than those three musketeers, unless you want to throw in the illustious Anthony Swiatek. i've had the advantage of knowing pretty much all the big names over the years, go with the good guys, like J Cline and Jack Beymer. any others you might be considering, if i've had personal experience w/them, i'd be glad to offer an opinion. K S >>


    Karl, don't sugar coat it, how do you really feel? image
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    well, right now i feel like throwing up!

    ok, i know that i tend to express my opinions a little strongly, but hey, it gives y'all something to poke fun at , right???image

    K S
  • No, unbiased honesty is your most loveable feature.

    B.
    A Fine is a tax for doing wrong.
    A Tax is a fine for doing good.
  • critocrito Posts: 1,735
    You might try accompanying your email with a "want list." That usually gets their attention. Some of the smaller dealers will go out of their way to get repeat business. One dealer, a Jeff Zarit of TX (foreign coins, jeffone on eBay,) has even sent me free catalogs, referred me to book dealers across the country, and I still haven't bought anything from the guy (I'm not in a financial position ATM.) Better believe I'll remember the treatment I've received, both good and bad, when my situation changes though.
  • DesertLizard,

    I can somewhat relate to you on this. I'm a younger collector who buys more expensive coins than most and can sometimes experience the same kind of behavior. I think its natural for anyone who sells expensive goods to act this way. I have fancy tastes (luckily, some means to support it too) and buy a lot expensive things, including coins, and I must say that until the people know you they will treat you this way. Once they know you have the money and will spend it, they will tend to treat you differently. And with coin dealers it's no different.

    Take for example all those "old timers" at shows who buy coins from dealers they know really well and they don't even pay for the coins at the time they get them--the dealers know they're good for it and don't sweat it (at least they don't seem to be sweating itimage).

    Get to know a few dealers well and in no time you will have plenty of new friends and great service. First you'll have to spend some money and develop some relationships. Dealers don't like to waste their time with shoppers so show them your a buyer.

    -Hunter
    THE C0IN HUNTER:

    WANTED: I need these coins

    Always looking for PCGS buffs, 1917 SLQs, and pre-1933 GOLD.

    Check my want list above!!!
  • Thats the one thing that I dont like about coin collecting, the amount of A--HOLES!
    You can fool man but you can't fool God! He knows why you do what you do!
  • dorkkarl, you need to visit the doctor, your always wanting to throw up!
    You can fool man but you can't fool God! He knows why you do what you do!
  • Thanks guys for all the advice!! This forum is great because of people like yourselves.

    Please note, I am not anti dealer, they have to survive and make a living as well BUT not with the profound indifference and aloofness that permeates their ranks.

    I have learned more in this forum in the last week than in the past 10+ years! Boy do I feel stupid! But will make fewer mistakes now.

    Will follow the advice of many and slow down my accumulation!
  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Desert Lizard - you are the envy of the board to have $10K + for coins, Monthly even!! WOW, that would be fun. Since you are just getting back into, like another said, you may consider pacing yourself.

    Just because you spend $12,500 on coins, may not mean you have $12,500 worth of coins after the spending is done. The dealers you mentioned do have some high priced tickets, and will probably have them as long as you have money to spend. The high end market has many, many variables and nuances which the established dealers know very well. They know the slabbing game, they know which coins are dogs in holders and which are the keepers. You will too, but with some time and lots o' experience.

    Ebay is excellent for moving quality collector grade coins in certain price ranges as most collectors have limited means. Ebay is not so hot for higher priced tickets (for sellers). Selling pricier coins, again has many variables and nuances.

    You may want to try one experiment before spending oodles of dough on coins. Pick a nice $3,000-$5,000 coin you may have already purchased and list it on ebay for sale. You should put a reserve of course to protect your investment, but do it to see how the market responds to the coins listed. Did the price of the bidders approach what you paid? Did it exceed it? Did what the dealers cost you paid reflect a fair price.

    Just some suggestions, mostly I hope you have a hell-uva-lotta FUN!!image

    Tyler
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I once had a dealer tell me "I dont have to sell that coin at your price", my response was ,"I dont have to buy that coin at your price". Have a goop day, Bear.image
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • ClankeyeClankeye Posts: 3,928
    DesertLizard--
    The three names of dealers you mention are the equivant of saying you want personal attention from Walmart, Target or Fred Meyers. There are so many more dealers and places who can and would be glad to give you individual attention. Finding the dealers you deal with can be more important to your enjoying this hobby than the coins you find. Take your time and pick well! Especially right now, when you are just getting started. If you come running out of the gate, overpay for coins, and feel you've made shallow personal connections, I promise you, you will leave numismatics again. At any rate, it's good to have you here. And that you are availing yourself of the experience of others on this board is a good sign.
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Other nice reminders:
    I can pay list price anywhere.
    You need me MORE than I need you.
    And a good reminder for car salesmen. You don't add value to a car; ALL YOU ADD IS COST.
    Nuff said.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    I too, hate all coin dealers. I mean, who the hell do they think they are, buying coins when they’re not collectors and holding them hostage and asking us to pay them more than they paid just because they got there first? And that guy, Jay Parrino. Man, I’d like to give him a piece of my mind. Owning a Wreath Cent in PCGS MS 68 RED? I mean, who the hell does he think he is anyway? And he wants how much for it? That’s crazy! I know what every coin is worth, and his coin isn’t worth that. You can get 10 of them for half what he's asking, I saw a bunch of them at Vinnie's table at the gun show. I’m coin God and I post my opinions here almost every day (I got plenty of time while I look for a job. Anyone looking to hire a pizza delivery guy? You’ll need to provide the car, though ‘cause all I got is a bicycle!) to edify those who I deem worthy of my edification which is everyone! I rarely if ever add that “it is just my opinion” because I don’t have to! I know everything and my opinion is obviously better than everyone’s!

    And you know what even makes me madder? That guy Adrian Crane. I have never bought a coin from him but I emailed him over twenty minutes ago, didn't sign my name or tell him I have $50,000 to spend, someday, and he has the nerve to continue not responding to me. Even though I’ve never bought a coin off eBay for more than $20 and my feedback shows it, he should drop what he is doing and either pick up the phone and call me (I guess I should have put my phone number in the email) or send me an email RIGHT NOW! I don’t care how many emails he gets everyday, how busy he is, how many jobs he has, how many kids he has, the bills that he has to pay or anything else about him – I have needs and I want them serviced immediately regardless of whether I have any money or not! Oh, and one more thing. “The seller is a true sheister, and a disgrace to the hobby.” And even though I obviously either don’t own a dictionary or don’t know how to use one, I am to be respected because if you don’t I will probably say something really mean about you too, as mean as I can think up to scare you away, and even though I may make a complete ass out of myself in the process, over and over again, you will not have the courage to even attempt to attack me because I am willing to make a bigger ass out of myself just to make a point. Besides, I have at least one friend that will back up almost anything I say and post his responses right in this forum! And just because I self-admittedly, don’t even own a scanner means nothing – who needs a scanner anyways! I have a Commodore 64 and that’s all I need to do what it is I have set out to do which of course is bestow my valuable opinions on everyone regardless of whether they ask for them or not!

    Yes, I will give you advice that you don’t ask for, and while you may feel like a fool when you read it, in front of everyone who cruises these pages, too bad! It’s the United States and you have to suffer idiots like me because your freedom to speak intelligently about meaningful things could be jeapordized by silencing morons like me! Yes, you wise ones out there who only lurk as smart folks would, – you’ve seen what I and others will do to you! Stay hidden! You have very little to gain by risking your feelings with a post here! Unless, of course, you have an impenetrable hide of steel. And who has that?

    Finally, I love naming coin dealers and then libeling them! Hell, they won’t sue me – they know that somebody with judgment like mine couldn’t own a pot to pee in or even a window to throw it out of! And everyone knows that teaching me a lesson would be expensive, so I can just say anything I want to about anybody, and anything at anytime! And yes, most of the people out there with an IQ of 80 or better will see me as the idiot I am, the truth is I can do lots of damage because not everyone will take the time to see me for what I truly am and thereby completely ignore everything I write!

    Isn’t America great! I think I’ll become a coin dealer too someday and show everyone how it is done, if only I could shake this fog that seems to prevent me from thinking like normal people….

    (Hey guys, what happened? I woke up and read this on the PCGS US message board under my name. I must have been taken over by something evil….I wonder what it all means? I guess I could erase it all but somehow I’m thinking that maybe there is just something here for someone or someone(s) to think about. Boy, I hope no one get offended by all this. I mean, geez, I just promised everyone that I would be more sensitive …maybe I should have said that I would be more sensitive to those people WHO DESERVE IT!…….)

    adrian



  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    Adrian,

    LOL! You da man!!!

    TRUTH
  • mnmcoinmnmcoin Posts: 2,165
    I totally understand what you are saying, even as a small dealer myself, I go to shows, or call up some of these guys for help finding coins, that i know they come across and get the same attention you got. I just don't go back, I have found that there are many dealers out there that will get my money and time. I reward them by going back to them. Likewise I strive to do business the way I want to be treated, that seems to be a common lesson that America in general, but the coin dealers of the world has forgotten. I would be happy to help you find some coins, or find a dealer in your area that I know and like. It also sounds like you are happy with ebay, so it so, stick to it, if you are happy than continue. Just make sure you are researching your acquisitions. If you can do that yourself, then you don't need a scurvy dealer.

    morris <><
    "Repent, for the kindom of heaven is at hand."
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    Don't take life so seriously...nobody gets out alive.

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  • Awesome Adrian! I am going to print that out.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • ClankeyeClankeye Posts: 3,928
    Wow. I feel like Daffy Duck after the exploding cigar just went off. Standing there, my bill wrapped around my neck.
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • ClankeyeClankeye Posts: 3,928
    This is weird, but I'm sitting here sincerely feeling kind of hurt. I've been hanging on to my participation on the board by a thread anyway.
    Yeah, Adrian there's a lot of truth there. Of course. Glad you got it out of your system. Obviously, in your position of visibility you have to deal with a lot of "idiots." It goes with the territory.
    My father was a newspaper publisher. Our family dealt night and day with the anonymous phone call. Now in the days of the internet, it's the nameless e-mail. I can understand the frustration.
    I don't know though, I feel kind of tarred with a broad brush this morning. Perhaps I'm too sensitive.
    Carl Funk
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    Adrian simply put the facts on the table. I've been on the boards for over 2 years watching many a thread from collectors irrationally bashing dealers and painting them all as crooks. I've owned a store and dealt with retail and wholesale. Years ago I made up my mind to refuse to deal retail for many of the reasons Adrian has mentioned. I could go on myself for many pages, but one thing stands out. The retail public just doesn't care about establishing a relationship with a coin dealer. It is simply, the cheapest quote gets the business. Customer and client loyalty is gone. Customers want free information, through the door and over the phone, and if they don't get it NOW, they won't deal with you. Sorry to say, much of what Adrian says is very, very true. For those whose feelings are hurt, put yourself in dealer's shoes. Now count how many dealers will post on these boards anymore. Only a handful. And many of their comment are few and far between. It goes both ways.

    TRUTH
  • jomjom Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Customer and client loyalty is gone >>



    Was there ever any to begin with?



    << <i>It goes both ways >>



    Yup. I've given dealers want lists and never heard from them again. ONLY Bowers and Merena ever responded to one of them. On the other hand, there is a tendencey on this board for collectors to whine constantly. About the graders or the dealers. Although, it seems the grading services get the majority of the whine and cheese.

    That being said.... All dealers are PUNKS! lol

    jom
  • 66Tbird66Tbird Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Daffy Duck after the exploding cigar >>

    LOL, adrian's good, real goodimage
    Need something designed and 3D printed?
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    I laughed at Anaconda's tongue-in-cheek post, and there were good points made.

    I understand that collectors get frustrated. Dealers get frustrated. One of the great things about a place like this is each side can vent and those on the other side can learn what ticks people off. See, threads like this help both groups to appreciate their opposite number.

    But at the end of the day, we need each other. We collectors think dealers need us more than the other way around, but I'm not so sure. How frustrating it would be to not be able to locate the coins we want. Ebay doesn't totally solve that problem. Collectors far outnumber dealers here, but we collectors benefit from their comments. We should be a little more understanding of their position, because we generally don't accept that different dealers have different ways of doing business. Just because one dealer's modus operandi isn't to my liking doesn't make him wrong. Perhaps that's not the dealer for me - but it could be the perfect dealer for someone else.

    I urge people not to become personally offended by posts that aren't specifically addressed to them. The exchange of thoughts and ideas is beneficial for all of us!

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭

    My personal experience with dealers, and it is only my experience, is that about 75% of the hundred plus that I have dealt with I would not hesitate to do business with again. Most of the dealers were efficient, helpful and, I think fair and honest.

    About 15% were obnoxious, arrogant, slimy, scum sucking, greed-motivated jerks with whom I will never do business with again.

    The other 10% were the very spawn of hell!

    As for collectors about 75% were helpful, fine people.

    About 15% were obnoxious, arrogant, slimy, scum sucking, self-centered jerks.

    About 10% were the very spawn of hell!

    The only difference is I don't talk to 25% of the collectors and don't deal with 25% of the dealers.

    Just my experience - who knows?
  • ClankeyeClankeye Posts: 3,928
    Kranky--
    I hear what you're saying. I'm just having a bad morning. Read something that in a less vulnerable mood, I would have viewed with a more detached perspective. I'm just tired of coming away from these boards more depressed than inspired. And yes, I will take all the blame, since I'm taking things way too personally this morning anyway.
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i><< Customer and client loyalty is gone >>Was there ever any to begin with? >>


    i'm willing to pay extra to a dealer i'm loyal to, and i do. i agree with the comment that the building of such relationships has gone by the wayside. slabbing has replaced the trust of established relationships with longtime dealers.

    K S



  • Good thread! Good points, good humor, creative and educational. And whether you agree with Adrian or not (there is another side), you gotta admit the guy has style!
    Home brew is best - Never drink alone
  • critocrito Posts: 1,735
    Unless, of course, you have an impenetrable hide of steel.

    Teflon coating is also recommended... so the crap slides right off image
  • There are several dealers in my local area but only two get the majoity (80%) of my business. When I walk into these stores they will set out trays and boxes and open usually closed safes and vaults and let me peruse to my heart's content. This did not happen the first or second or even the third contact. It takes time to establish a relationship with anyone, let alone someone that deals with the retail public.

    My advice to you or anyone realtively new to coins is to take the time it takes to establish a relationship with people that you find that you like to deal with. There are a handfull of internet dealers that I have found that I can deal with on a regular basis but none of them can replace the interaction with my local dealers.

    Keep your dealings honest and above board, learn as much as you can from many sources, be willing to pay a fair price and sell for a reasonable amount, if the time ever comes, and you will eventually establish relationships that should lead to many happy years of collecting.

    Happy collecting
  • A few maxims for both "sides..."

    The lines between wholseale and retail may have become bluured these days, but the standard for good customer service has not!

    Take the long view. The kid who's a pain in your butt today may be your best customer in a decade... or may buy you out when you're ready to retire!

    Don't go to the Mercedes dealer asking for a used Volkswagen (there's a parallel here.)

    Most dealers started out as collectors and appreciate a collector's viewpoint. Collectors should appreciate that if a dealer can't profit above expenses, the same thing happens that would if you don't get a paycheck.

    Someone HAS to pay retail. It's an economic fact that in the absence of retail buyers, the whole market collapses. What's more important is to receive fair value, and that covers a range.

    We're all in this together. There are certainly individuals whose actions merit the ire of all of us, but let's not PRESUME that others share their deficiencies!
    Will Rossman
    Peak Numismatics
    Monument, CO
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    I don't deal with DEALERS! I only buy coins from nice PEOPLE on eBay. I was really shocked last month, I bought a coin from scottcoins@hotmail.com on eBay. I thought Scott was a nice young man that collected coins and was selling me his nearest & dearest Proof Barber 25¢ so he could get up money for college and be a doctor or lawyer and that he really appreciated me giving it a loving home. I paid Scott with PayPal and imagine my distress when the PayPal record said I paid.......PINNACLE RARITIES!!!!!

    Have these DEALERS no shame? Using new all-time lows like disguising theyselves as regular PEOPLE to get my business!! You PEOPLE have them scared & ashamed to admit they are DEALERS.

    Hey sneaky snake you wanna slip outside and split a Prozac with me? image
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    No thanks, dude. Gave up mind altering substances (except coffee) over 11 years ago.

    adrian


  • << <i>i'm willing to pay extra to a dealer i'm loyal to >>



    Ditto here. There are dealers online who I will always check first even if I might be able to find the coin for a couple bucks cheaper because I think they sell good stuff and they have treated me right in the past.

    I think I am a good dealer's dream because I am very loyal, repeat my business and will talk them up and recommend them to others. I also think I am a bad dealer's nightmare because I never forget and rarely forgive. I have come across many more good dealers than bad ones but average is, of course, probably the norm.
    Time sure flies when you don't know what you are doing...

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  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    desent lizard open your pm and contact me have i got stuff to tell you!!!


    sincerely michael
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Seriously, that did happen! Scott Schechter sent me a great coin and was fast about it.
    DesertLizard if you want nice coins you got to be aggressive in looking for them. You got to spend hours surfing, searching, looking and calling. The coins are not going to come to you, there's too many hands waiting to grab them up. Buying $12,000 of eBay junk really doesn't mean anything. Like none of your eBay buys have been from dealers?
    I don't do David Hall or Wintrop but I am familiar with David Lawrence-on his site he has a wantlist and all you have to do is sign in and it will let you know if they have gotten the coins you are looking for since the last time you were there. If they don't have a pict you click on the scan request button and they make a scan and email it to you. Heritage has the same features. If you email these dealers recently they were probably getting ready or at a major show, if they think you have money to spend they will call you on the phone personally to make a sale. You simply have to estlablish a rapport with them first. Email get lost, deleted and the net don't work ½ the time anyway so that may be the problem too.
    I know what you're saying though.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • ClankeyeClankeye Posts: 3,928
    Earlier in this thread I made an illusion to Hall, Wintrop and D. Lawrence being the equivalent of Wal-mart, Target or Fred Meyer. I regret the comment. They simply are larger operations than I am used to dealing with.
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Hey Clankeye! It was not you who I specifically had in mind when I wrote what I wrote earlier in this thread (the long comment, not the refusal of Dogbreath's prozac). I really had several general types of people in mind, one specifically who I quoted in my comment, who self-admittedly doesn't even own a scanner yet who seemingly knows all and tells all, all the time. Of course I've only "been here" for a few days, so maybe his common sense has just been on vacation. The post was really a hypothetical melange of people types, but with at least one person that I specifically did have in mind.

    However, I did post it to stimulate the thinking of whoever wanted or needed stimulation. It's good for us to all examine our lives and our actions. It's really the only story that we write that matters. Unfortunately, some people don't take their lives very seriously. It's probably not their fault. Just a mental disability and we should probably just pity them. Of course it's hard when what you want to do is see how small you can squeeze their esophagus.

    adrian

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  • ClankeyeClankeye Posts: 3,928
    Adrian--
    Your post did make me think. I mentioned those three dealers in a in kind of a demeaning way, and realized I had never had any personal experiences with any of them. So why mention them? Do we just post on this board to see our post count grow, and the minor ego-trip of seeing our opinions broadcast to a waiting world?
    So, yes it made me think. In ultimately a positive way.

    I think we all have moments of doubt, when we see behavior in others that we find undesirable, and ask..."am I like that? Do I do that?"
    It's not really a fun examination process, but hopefully it keeps us on the level.
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare


  • << <i>I think we all have moments of doubt, when we see behavior in others that we find undesirable, and ask..."am I like that? Do I do that?" >>



    We simply can't like or hate something in someone else unless we like or hate the same things in ourselves.
    We are finite beings, limited in all our powers, and, hence, our conclusions are not only relative, but they should ever be held subject to correction. Positive assurance is unattainable. The dogmatist is the only one who claims to possess absolute certainty.

    First POTD 9/19/05!!

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