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eBay: Enacts a policy to help eliminate counterfeits.
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@Desert Moon said:
Er, yes there is, on ebay one has to buy the item first from a seller who listed the item, then it is sent to an alleged authenticator (whomever that could be). So there is a big delay as it is shipped somewhere else and it WILL drive up fees for Sellers and slow down the times the buyer receives the item. And clearly there seems to be a need for this on ebay because there apparently is so much fraud to warrant the program. HA, SB, DLRC, GC, etc., they pre-screen the items and there is not multiple mailings to authenticate after the auction sale. And they have already baked in the cost of the pre-screen. So ebay will ultimately have to bring up prices for coin sales to sellers with this program.
And if I consign to FeeC, they will send it for slab and/or CAC which will create a delay and increase costs for the consignor and GC.
Apparently there is so much fraud in the coin market in general, that everyone feels the need to slab everything. And the slabs are so inconsistent that they need to also sticker everything.
I applaud ebay for trying to create a better buying environment. And I don't mind HA, SB, or FeeC curating their consignments either, which is why i buy/sell with them also.
You are free to continue your irrational hatred of all things ebay. Even when they are trying to help their buyers feel more secure and weed out fraud.
Carry on.
P.S. eBay could increase their fees and still be cheaper than FeeC, HA, etc
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@PerryHall said:
They don't grade raw coins. What happens if a coin is determined to be authentic, but it has been cleaned, tooled, repaired, ATed, whizzed, etc and these defects were not included in the description of the coin in the eBay listing? Is the coin returnable even though it has been authenticated by eBay?
Not to mention, what if the authenticator thinks it does not match the photo? If the color is not quite as bright, because of the lighting? What if I still wanted that coin, in spite of that? Photos do not always tell the whole story, and I am OK with that. I don't want someone else deciding if I want the coin! The whole thing seems silly, and I don't care if it works on cards, I collect COINS, not cards.
The FAQs answer is copied below. I’m still not sure how they will interpret something like a toned Morgan where the photo is enhanced. Maybe it’s still a solid coin and the buyer wants it at the price but will the Authenticator reject it, thus canceling the sale?
What happens at the authenticator?
After the authentication facility receives the coin, the authenticator will first perform a multi-point inspection. For raw coins, this involves inspecting the coin and its overall condition to help verify that it is authentic and consistent with the listing description. For graded coins, this involves inspecting the certified holder for signs of tampering and verifying that the holder and label are authentic to the grader. Then they confirm the item is consistent with the listing title, photos, and listing description. Finally, the coin will be packaged with Authenticity Guarantee materials and sent to you.
@PerryHall said:
They don't grade raw coins. What happens if a coin is determined to be authentic, but it has been cleaned, tooled, repaired, ATed, whizzed, etc and these defects were not included in the description of the coin in the eBay listing? Is the coin returnable even though it has been authenticated by eBay?
Not to mention, what if the authenticator thinks it does not match the photo? If the color is not quite as bright, because of the lighting? What if I still wanted that coin, in spite of that? Photos do not always tell the whole story, and I am OK with that. I don't want someone else deciding if I want the coin! The whole thing seems silly, and I don't care if it works on cards, I collect COINS, not cards.
The FAQs answer is copied below. I’m still not sure how they will interpret something like a toned Morgan where the photo is enhanced. Maybe it’s still a solid coin and the buyer wants it at the price but will the Authenticator reject it, thus canceling the sale?
What happens at the authenticator?
After the authentication facility receives the coin, the authenticator will first perform a multi-point inspection. For raw coins, this involves inspecting the coin and its overall condition to help verify that it is authentic and consistent with the listing description. For graded coins, this involves inspecting the certified holder for signs of tampering and verifying that the holder and label are authentic to the grader. Then they confirm the item is consistent with the listing title, photos, and listing description. Finally, the coin will be packaged with Authenticity Guarantee materials and sent to you.
I'm not sure. We should ask the card guys. They would have the same issue.
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@PerryHall said:
They don't grade raw coins. What happens if a coin is determined to be authentic, but it has been cleaned, tooled, repaired, ATed, whizzed, etc and these defects were not included in the description of the coin in the eBay listing? Is the coin returnable even though it has been authenticated by eBay?
Not to mention, what if the authenticator thinks it does not match the photo? If the color is not quite as bright, because of the lighting? What if I still wanted that coin, in spite of that? Photos do not always tell the whole story, and I am OK with that. I don't want someone else deciding if I want the coin! The whole thing seems silly, and I don't care if it works on cards, I collect COINS, not cards.
The FAQs answer is copied below. I’m still not sure how they will interpret something like a toned Morgan where the photo is enhanced. Maybe it’s still a solid coin and the buyer wants it at the price but will the Authenticator reject it, thus canceling the sale?
What happens at the authenticator?
After the authentication facility receives the coin, the authenticator will first perform a multi-point inspection. For raw coins, this involves inspecting the coin and its overall condition to help verify that it is authentic and consistent with the listing description. For graded coins, this involves inspecting the certified holder for signs of tampering and verifying that the holder and label are authentic to the grader. Then they confirm the item is consistent with the listing title, photos, and listing description. Finally, the coin will be packaged with Authenticity Guarantee materials and sent to you.
I'm not sure. We should ask the card guys. They would have the same issue.
I would want to hear from some of the card people who also do coins. However, do cards have something like toning or prooflike surfaces that can be manipulated on a photo? Are we talking about someone exaggerating a hologram or adding color to a card? If so, I wonder how prevalent that is compared to juicing coin photos.
@PerryHall said:
They don't grade raw coins. What happens if a coin is determined to be authentic, but it has been cleaned, tooled, repaired, ATed, whizzed, etc and these defects were not included in the description of the coin in the eBay listing? Is the coin returnable even though it has been authenticated by eBay?
Not to mention, what if the authenticator thinks it does not match the photo? If the color is not quite as bright, because of the lighting? What if I still wanted that coin, in spite of that? Photos do not always tell the whole story, and I am OK with that. I don't want someone else deciding if I want the coin! The whole thing seems silly, and I don't care if it works on cards, I collect COINS, not cards.
The FAQs answer is copied below. I’m still not sure how they will interpret something like a toned Morgan where the photo is enhanced. Maybe it’s still a solid coin and the buyer wants it at the price but will the Authenticator reject it, thus canceling the sale?
What happens at the authenticator?
After the authentication facility receives the coin, the authenticator will first perform a multi-point inspection. For raw coins, this involves inspecting the coin and its overall condition to help verify that it is authentic and consistent with the listing description. For graded coins, this involves inspecting the certified holder for signs of tampering and verifying that the holder and label are authentic to the grader. Then they confirm the item is consistent with the listing title, photos, and listing description. Finally, the coin will be packaged with Authenticity Guarantee materials and sent to you.
I'm not sure. We should ask the card guys. They would have the same issue.
I would want to hear from some of the card people who also do coins. However, do cards have something like toning or prooflike surfaces that can be manipulated on a photo? Are we talking about someone exaggerating a hologram or adding color to a card? If so, I wonder how prevalent that is compared to juicing coin photos.
Yes. Color of the paper, faded coloring of the image, and glossiness of the card.
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eBay haters: "eBay sucks! They don't do anything about counterfeits!"
eBay: Enacts a policy to help eliminate counterfeits.
eBay haters: "eBay sucks! They're doing something about counterfeits!"
And if I consign to FeeC, they will send it for slab and/or CAC which will create a delay and increase costs for the consignor and GC.
Apparently there is so much fraud in the coin market in general, that everyone feels the need to slab everything. And the slabs are so inconsistent that they need to also sticker everything.
I applaud ebay for trying to create a better buying environment. And I don't mind HA, SB, or FeeC curating their consignments either, which is why i buy/sell with them also.
You are free to continue your irrational hatred of all things ebay. Even when they are trying to help their buyers feel more secure and weed out fraud.
Carry on.
P.S. eBay could increase their fees and still be cheaper than FeeC, HA, etc
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
The FAQs answer is copied below. I’m still not sure how they will interpret something like a toned Morgan where the photo is enhanced. Maybe it’s still a solid coin and the buyer wants it at the price but will the Authenticator reject it, thus canceling the sale?
What happens at the authenticator?
After the authentication facility receives the coin, the authenticator will first perform a multi-point inspection. For raw coins, this involves inspecting the coin and its overall condition to help verify that it is authentic and consistent with the listing description. For graded coins, this involves inspecting the certified holder for signs of tampering and verifying that the holder and label are authentic to the grader. Then they confirm the item is consistent with the listing title, photos, and listing description. Finally, the coin will be packaged with Authenticity Guarantee materials and sent to you.
I'm not sure. We should ask the card guys. They would have the same issue.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
I would want to hear from some of the card people who also do coins. However, do cards have something like toning or prooflike surfaces that can be manipulated on a photo? Are we talking about someone exaggerating a hologram or adding color to a card? If so, I wonder how prevalent that is compared to juicing coin photos.
Yes. Color of the paper, faded coloring of the image, and glossiness of the card.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.