No one. Steve is the best. But I’m pointing out that it’s a low bar. I wasn’t ignoring you. My point isn’t so much that Steve is a moron so buy from - “these guys”. Just that he’s Claudable.
@bgr said:
I’ve shared a few in the past. I don’t feel the need to defend my opinion any more than his advocates feel the need to support theirs.
Here’s a side fact for you though as you seem to have predicted this would never happen. Feel free to continue to trust your own advice but frankly… you should look at your opinion with concern…. The WNBA was profitable last season. Oops. Eat it.
The WNBA is not the topic sir so why not answer the question at hand since you brought it up. Your comments about a great guy for our hobby are asinine and when asked to defend your comments you change the subject to a topic that's not relevant.
Once again what are you experiences and be specific and explain how your experiences makes him a moron. God are you an angry dude- very sad.
@bgr said:
I respect your opinion but I have met and spoken with Steve many times and I’ve found him to be a fairly simple and stupid man who has demonstrated a lack of a proper understanding of logic or reason. I’m only offering my opinion on Steve. His poor results are public knowledge and in my experience he doesn’t stand behind his “product”. Moron isn’t a name here that I’m calling Steve. Moron is a word here that I’m using to describe how I see him. Foolish. Stupid. I admit that it’s pejorative, but why is that bad? I want to warn as many people as to the truth of the very subjective opinion of Steve, and while I continue to purchase from Steve, I do it with eyes wide open. This false outrage is such a boring endeavor.
Who in the hobby do you trust more with unopened material?
Arthur
Joe
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972) Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
I offered one example as a courtesy. I’m not compelled otherwise to provide additional evidence to support my opinion as no one has offered ANY evidence at all to support Steve’s expertise. So in that regard I feel that I’m ahead. I’m also aware of the game here and I refuse to play it and I feel no need to engage in the trenches with you in defense of my opinion. If my thoughts cause you harm then argue against them with reason or else be silent. Or don’t. I care not.
Dude you came on here and started talking trash about a good guy. I then asked for your specific experiences on why you feel this way and instead of responding, you start talking about a league that 99% of sports fans don't care about. It had nothing to do with this topic.
If you don't want to share your experiences don't but in the future its probably not a good idea to call a guy a moron and have nothing to back that claim up with. If you don't want to discuss it, don't bring it up. I asked a legitimate question and you responded with nonsense.
Steve is not perfect (even experts in different collectible fields get things wrong on occasion) but without question he is the hobby's foremost expert when it comes to authentication of vintage unopened product. I see a lot of baseless and unverifiable pot shots being taken at him and unfortunately in this day and age of social media and message board anonymity that is going to be par for the course. I've been avidly collecting vintage unopened product for the better part of three decades now and I would trust Steve's opinion over anyone else's when it comes to unopened authentication. In addition to that, he is an asset for this part of the hobby and for any unopened collector.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I shared my opinion and I do share one example where his expertise was in contradiction. That should be enough to support them the point I am making. There is no reason for a multitude of examples other than to feed you until you find one you can argue against. Don’t be silly.
@bgr said:
I offered one example as a courtesy. I’m not compelled otherwise to provide additional evidence to support my opinion as no one has offered ANY evidence at all to support Steve’s expertise. So in that regard I feel that I’m ahead. I’m also aware of the game here and I refuse to play it and I feel no need to engage in the trenches with you in defense of my opinion. If my thoughts cause you harm then argue against them with reason or else be silent. Or don’t. I care not.
OK, I feel compelled to add some evidence regarding his expertise. A friend of mine in the hobby told me that he submitted a 24 pack vintage box for Steve to wrap. Three of the packs had seals popped so he very lightly and carefully resealed them and was certain it could not be detected. Sure enough, Steve rejected those exact packs and even told him that they were incredibly obvious to detect, and wondered aloud who would waste their time resealing packs with little value. My friend was shocked but also impressed at the same time.
If it's that obvious, almost anyone with enough experience handling unopened product could tell just like him. Not to say that I don't believe in Steve, heck I own some stuff with his stickers, labels and business cards tucked neatly inside wrappers, but I could make the same fairly accurate assessments for stuff that I've handled in the past as well. He's handled plenty more than I, though. I wouldn't doubt him in most situations.
@bgr said:
You know. That’s a fair point regarding my statement. Might have had a bit of a bug with a tool I was working on to simplify my interactions. That being said my main point stands. There is far more negative fact regarding BBCE than available on the interwebs than my handful of negative experiences would color by themselves. My most recent one which I have not posted about… I will provide now as example.
I opened a few boxes of 78 OPC. I sent quite a few packs in from these BBCE FASC boxes. Some of these packs were rejected as not authentic. Which is true? I asked Steve and he stood behind both assessments. I’m not sure what I’m missing here but either he’s saying I have manipulated the packs or he’s a charlatan. Option 3 is?
Hmmm...You are WAY WAY out of touch with reality and delusional with what he is to the unopened and in general to the hobby itself.... You can't negate a persons worth when YOU BELIEVE that one, two or three UNINTENTIONAL AWH SHITs negates 1000 that-a-boys...the moment you starting writing and expressing yourself you sound like an ANAL delusional complainer who is out of touch with the real world... Save yourself from trying to reply to me and LEARN politics or I will lay your SOUL to waste,,, enjoy your day!
@bgr said:
You know. That’s a fair point regarding my statement. Might have had a bit of a bug with a tool I was working on to simplify my interactions. That being said my main point stands. There is far more negative fact regarding BBCE than available on the interwebs than my handful of negative experiences would color by themselves. My most recent one which I have not posted about… I will provide now as example.
I opened a few boxes of 78 OPC. I sent quite a few packs in from these BBCE FASC boxes. Some of these packs were rejected as not authentic. Which is true? I asked Steve and he stood behind both assessments. I’m not sure what I’m missing here but either he’s saying I have manipulated the packs or he’s a charlatan. Option 3 is?
Hmmm...You are WAY WAY out of touch with reality and delusional with what he is to the unopened and in general to the hobby itself.... You can't negate a persons worth when YOU BELIEVE that one, two or three UNINTENTIONAL AWH SHITs negates 1000 that-a-boys...the moment you starting writing and expressing yourself you sound like an ANAL delusional complainer who is out of touch with the real world... Save yourself from trying to reply to me and LEARN politics or I will lay your SOUL to waste,,, enjoy your day!
Number One post. Now I need to learn needle-point.
I appreciate your comment. I don’t even disagree that Steve catches most all bad actors. My concern with Steve being put on a throne of expertise is simply that the area of ambiguity between his true positives and his true negatives is rather vast. This doesn’t speak to expertise for me. In my interactions with Steve he’s routinely referred to my issues as “unicorns”. Simply waving his hands at the mistake. Whether or not I think Steve is stupid isn’t the condemnation. It’s the explanation. I don’t think Steve is nefarious at all. I think he’s testing the limits of Dunning-Kruger. He thinks he’s an expert and he presents himself as an expert and his sycophants declare that he’s an expert. He’s Claudable.
He rejects a lot. Probably most as if there's the slightest imperfections that may lead to doubt. I don't have a problem with that as I know personally someone who sent wax in and they were obvious passable to me but we're sent back. Maybe the gum moved maybe a crease?? Anyway, sort of annoying but at least it's not too permissible.
No authenticator is right 100% of the time. If you expect that, you're not living in reality. You've already admitted that Steve is the best in the hobby at authenticating wax, so what are you complaining about?
If you want to call a hobby expert a moron you should first do your own research and learn how to detect authentic wax. Otherwise you're just sending/buying material from someone who can do a job you can't and is at least putting his reputation out there. You're coming across as a troll with "lots of evidence" that hasn't been shared.
I dont think, and I have never thought Steve was perfect or "unbeatable" he is not. no one is. I gave him the "what for" during the Pokemon/GI Joe debacle. he was leaning well over his skiis in that example and was simply not qualified to authenticate that box.
however, I do feel he is fully trustworthy. I also feel he is at the very tippy top of the mountain of qualified vintage unopened experts. Is he the only one with that level of expertise? No. of course not. but he is very well qualified in the vintage sports unopened field.
I’ve shared one glaring example where his expertise was in direct contradiction of itself. That’s a tough one to wash away so I understand the play. More examples until one that can be defeated is presented. I’m telling buyers to be aware of the reality. He’s no expert and no expert exists. If there was expertise here there would be a standard process rather than proprietary experience-based conjecture. In my real world if you screw up as Steve has you’re out of business. Only in this hobby are such egregious mistakes accepted as “oops. No one’s perfect”. It’s laughable. That’s why you’re all trying to represent my statements as something they’re not. Steve is no expert. Keep it up. Good discussion.
@bgr said:
I’ve shared one glaring example where his expertise was in direct contradiction of itself. That’s a tough one to wash away so I understand the play. More examples until one that can be defeated is presented. I’m telling buyers to be aware of the reality. He’s no expert and no expert exists. If there was expertise here there would be a standard process rather than proprietary experience-based conjecture. In my real world if you screw up as Steve has you’re out of business. Only in this hobby are such egregious mistakes accepted as “oops. No one’s perfect”. It’s laughable. That’s why you’re all trying to represent my statements as something they’re not. Steve is no expert. Keep it up. Good discussion.
are you saying that if an authenticator does not have a "perfect" record they are not an expert and should not be authenticating?
Does that same standard apply to authenicators of sports memorabilia/cards, coins, stamps, fine art, antiques etc?
it is not a science we are discussing here. no authenticator in any arena of collectables has a 100% track record. at least none that I know of. the best fine art authenticators have been beaten. that does not mean they are not experts in the field.
PSA/SGC/BGS have all been beaten, are they not experts?
It’s a fascinating question. I would state that an expert in their domain would make mistakes at the frontier rather than the foundation. Their mistakes would have qualities such as: smaller mistakes in magnitude, more difficult for the lay person to detect themselves, specialized and narrow regarding the novelty of the error.
@bgr said:
I’ve shared one glaring example where his expertise was in direct contradiction of itself. That’s a tough one to wash away so I understand the play. More examples until one that can be defeated is presented. I’m telling buyers to be aware of the reality. He’s no expert and no expert exists. If there was expertise here there would be a standard process rather than proprietary experience-based conjecture. In my real world if you screw up as Steve has you’re out of business. Only in this hobby are such egregious mistakes accepted as “oops. No one’s perfect”. It’s laughable. That’s why you’re all trying to represent my statements as something they’re not. Steve is no expert. Keep it up. Good discussion
As promised, now I'm going to show you your inner SOUL... You have made 3,943 Posts on this board... In those 3,943 posts you have posted around 10+ posts that are completely wrong (100+ posts eh?) and so therefore I will discredit EVERTHING you have to say in the future... Before you reply that no one is an expert or perfect please please go turn up your music and start to THINK before you post on these boards... I don't ask much do I?
if the standard is that humans performing authentication (which at least in part is subjective work) are unable to err or are no longer considered experts, then there are zero authentication experts in any field on the planet.
ALL humans will make mistakes at some point. perfection cannot be the standard in authentication.
@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
People like Steve when he helps them make lots of money. Not so much if he doesn’t. A mystery Scooby-Doo and those meddling kids could easily solve.
I would venture to say most people foremost like Steve because of the way he has treated them over the years, with kindness and respect.
Not sure if everyone is aware but BBCE is now running quarterly auctions.
Lots of rookies and unopened boxes!
I’ve been consigning to them the last year or so and it’s been a wonderful experience. Been screwed over before so it’s nice to work with people you can trust!
Statement of facts are NOT character attacks. They are reality. Plus your the guy who started with character attacks.
Attacking a great guy in our hobby because you want attention is pathetic.
@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
People like Steve when he helps them make lots of money. Not so much if he doesn’t. A mystery Scooby-Doo and those meddling kids could easily solve.
I would venture to say most people foremost like Steve because of the way he has treated them over the years, with kindness and respect.
I don’t doubt that for a second. I know he’s a respectful and respectable person. An asset to our hobby, way beyond most. I stop with the praise when we reach the pedestal of perfection because no one in this business has earned one. And Steve probably doesn’t want or need to placed on it.
@bgr said:
Love the character attacks. You guys are winning. Keep it up.
This is weapons-grade irony. You're coming across as a guy still butthurt that he had a few packs rejected. I don't have a dog in the fight, just calling it how I see it.
You came here to cast stones, which is why you called him a moron and other derogatory names. If you had wanted to have a serious discussion and "warn" people, you would have just gone through the examples you claim to have and left it at that. But the way you keep responding to every little comment, keeping the focus on you, does make it look like you're just looking for attention.
Because as it stands, you're not providing anyone with any kind of solid information. In fact, it's the opposite: you're just bringing out all the people who have positive things to say about Steve and then you take personal shots at them. You could have had some credibility but instead your argument looks weak and juvenile.
I refer to Steve as a moron. I find him to be rather stupid. I’ve also said that he’s a nice person generally and I don’t think he’s nefarious in any way.
Over the years I would estimate I’ve lost about 100K to Steve’s mistakes. Worst was a 71 topps vending. Not a fasc. Was ordered. It hurts to burn thousands but it’s not the end of the world for me. Again. I’m only going to mention that Steve is just as much an expert at making mistakes as he is at authenticating unopened. So whatever guys. Butthurt. That’s a good one.
How would you describe someone who you think is a moron to convey that they’re a moron? Why do words exist. Oh grow up. Every time there’s an anomaly this guy comes out and stands behind his own authentication by inventing a new collation. I cannot find a better word to describe Steve. Talk to him yourself at the National or watch one of his dithering videos on YouTube. Name calling. Please. Ignore the fact that he makes more mistakes than NFL referees if you want. Just don’t buy his product thinking he’s anything more than a collector who has convinced his flock of his expertise.
@bgr said:
How would you describe someone who you think is a moron to convey that they’re a moron? Why do words exist. Oh grow up. Every time there’s an anomaly this guy comes out and stands behind his own authentication by inventing a new collation. I cannot find a better word to describe Steve. Talk to him yourself at the National or watch one of his dithering videos on YouTube. Name calling. Please. Ignore the fact that he makes more mistakes than NFL referees if you want. Just don’t buy his product thinking he’s anything more than a collector who has convinced his flock of his expertise.
You're just repeating yourself. We get it, you don't like Steve and you've successfully hijacked someone's thread. Just walk away. You're not contributing anything new at this point, just feeding your need for attention. I think you've had enough.
i can't speak for bgr, but i think the obsequious flattery is what reaches a tipping point for some. i used to be an unopened collector and my experiences with Steve were always nothing but positive. but i also recall a time when a member of this forum posted a rack that wasn't exactly inexpensive and it had BBCE's stamp of approval on it. when i saw it i knew within 2 seconds that it was bad, and that's because i was immersed with that particular product at the time and had practically memorized the sequencing. and mind you, in the grand scheme of things i don't know shit compared to Steve Hart. so for me to immediately recognize a faux pas that he absolutely should have been aware of lends itself to the question of whether or not people should gratuitously toss around superlatives like "expert," especially when there are other examples that are far more egregious than the one i just mentioned.
and btw, when someone calmly addresses an initial question long after it has been forgotten and it happens right smack dab in the middle of a full-blown scrum, i don't care who you are............that's the epitome of funny. muchas gracias, waxman.
I’m not sure you want to call the mods attention here. All I’ve said is Steve Hart is a moron. But others. There were a couple classic crashouts. Britney’s back!
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No one. Steve is the best. But I’m pointing out that it’s a low bar. I wasn’t ignoring you. My point isn’t so much that Steve is a moron so buy from - “these guys”. Just that he’s Claudable.
By definition, it seems that some folks think they’re getting Andy Griffith, when they’re actually getting Barney Fife.
I always thought Barney was the brains of the operation so….
The WNBA is not the topic sir so why not answer the question at hand since you brought it up. Your comments about a great guy for our hobby are asinine and when asked to defend your comments you change the subject to a topic that's not relevant.
Once again what are you experiences and be specific and explain how your experiences makes him a moron. God are you an angry dude- very sad.
I both answered the question and punched below the belt. Doh.
You gave one example of a disagreement. That does not make Steve a moron. What other "failures" has Steve done to you specifically.
Joe
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
I offered one example as a courtesy. I’m not compelled otherwise to provide additional evidence to support my opinion as no one has offered ANY evidence at all to support Steve’s expertise. So in that regard I feel that I’m ahead. I’m also aware of the game here and I refuse to play it and I feel no need to engage in the trenches with you in defense of my opinion. If my thoughts cause you harm then argue against them with reason or else be silent. Or don’t. I care not.
Dude you came on here and started talking trash about a good guy. I then asked for your specific experiences on why you feel this way and instead of responding, you start talking about a league that 99% of sports fans don't care about. It had nothing to do with this topic.
If you don't want to share your experiences don't but in the future its probably not a good idea to call a guy a moron and have nothing to back that claim up with. If you don't want to discuss it, don't bring it up. I asked a legitimate question and you responded with nonsense.
Steve is not perfect (even experts in different collectible fields get things wrong on occasion) but without question he is the hobby's foremost expert when it comes to authentication of vintage unopened product. I see a lot of baseless and unverifiable pot shots being taken at him and unfortunately in this day and age of social media and message board anonymity that is going to be par for the course. I've been avidly collecting vintage unopened product for the better part of three decades now and I would trust Steve's opinion over anyone else's when it comes to unopened authentication. In addition to that, he is an asset for this part of the hobby and for any unopened collector.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Awesome comments grote- thank you.
I shared my opinion and I do share one example where his expertise was in contradiction. That should be enough to support them the point I am making. There is no reason for a multitude of examples other than to feed you until you find one you can argue against. Don’t be silly.
OK, I feel compelled to add some evidence regarding his expertise. A friend of mine in the hobby told me that he submitted a 24 pack vintage box for Steve to wrap. Three of the packs had seals popped so he very lightly and carefully resealed them and was certain it could not be detected. Sure enough, Steve rejected those exact packs and even told him that they were incredibly obvious to detect, and wondered aloud who would waste their time resealing packs with little value. My friend was shocked but also impressed at the same time.
Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
If it's that obvious, almost anyone with enough experience handling unopened product could tell just like him. Not to say that I don't believe in Steve, heck I own some stuff with his stickers, labels and business cards tucked neatly inside wrappers, but I could make the same fairly accurate assessments for stuff that I've handled in the past as well. He's handled plenty more than I, though. I wouldn't doubt him in most situations.
Hmmm...You are WAY WAY out of touch with reality and delusional with what he is to the unopened and in general to the hobby itself.... You can't negate a persons worth when YOU BELIEVE that one, two or three UNINTENTIONAL AWH SHITs negates 1000 that-a-boys...the moment you starting writing and expressing yourself you sound like an ANAL delusional complainer who is out of touch with the real world... Save yourself from trying to reply to me and LEARN politics or I will lay your SOUL to waste,,, enjoy your day!
Number One post. Now I need to learn needle-point.
@smallstocks
I appreciate your comment. I don’t even disagree that Steve catches most all bad actors. My concern with Steve being put on a throne of expertise is simply that the area of ambiguity between his true positives and his true negatives is rather vast. This doesn’t speak to expertise for me. In my interactions with Steve he’s routinely referred to my issues as “unicorns”. Simply waving his hands at the mistake. Whether or not I think Steve is stupid isn’t the condemnation. It’s the explanation. I don’t think Steve is nefarious at all. I think he’s testing the limits of Dunning-Kruger. He thinks he’s an expert and he presents himself as an expert and his sycophants declare that he’s an expert. He’s Claudable.
He rejects a lot. Probably most as if there's the slightest imperfections that may lead to doubt. I don't have a problem with that as I know personally someone who sent wax in and they were obvious passable to me but we're sent back. Maybe the gum moved maybe a crease?? Anyway, sort of annoying but at least it's not too permissible.
No authenticator is right 100% of the time. If you expect that, you're not living in reality. You've already admitted that Steve is the best in the hobby at authenticating wax, so what are you complaining about?
If you want to call a hobby expert a moron you should first do your own research and learn how to detect authentic wax. Otherwise you're just sending/buying material from someone who can do a job you can't and is at least putting his reputation out there. You're coming across as a troll with "lots of evidence" that hasn't been shared.
Arthur
I dont think, and I have never thought Steve was perfect or "unbeatable" he is not. no one is. I gave him the "what for" during the Pokemon/GI Joe debacle. he was leaning well over his skiis in that example and was simply not qualified to authenticate that box.
however, I do feel he is fully trustworthy. I also feel he is at the very tippy top of the mountain of qualified vintage unopened experts. Is he the only one with that level of expertise? No. of course not. but he is very well qualified in the vintage sports unopened field.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I’ve shared one glaring example where his expertise was in direct contradiction of itself. That’s a tough one to wash away so I understand the play. More examples until one that can be defeated is presented. I’m telling buyers to be aware of the reality. He’s no expert and no expert exists. If there was expertise here there would be a standard process rather than proprietary experience-based conjecture. In my real world if you screw up as Steve has you’re out of business. Only in this hobby are such egregious mistakes accepted as “oops. No one’s perfect”. It’s laughable. That’s why you’re all trying to represent my statements as something they’re not. Steve is no expert. Keep it up. Good discussion.
are you saying that if an authenticator does not have a "perfect" record they are not an expert and should not be authenticating?
Does that same standard apply to authenicators of sports memorabilia/cards, coins, stamps, fine art, antiques etc?
it is not a science we are discussing here. no authenticator in any arena of collectables has a 100% track record. at least none that I know of. the best fine art authenticators have been beaten. that does not mean they are not experts in the field.
PSA/SGC/BGS have all been beaten, are they not experts?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
It’s a fascinating question. I would state that an expert in their domain would make mistakes at the frontier rather than the foundation. Their mistakes would have qualities such as: smaller mistakes in magnitude, more difficult for the lay person to detect themselves, specialized and narrow regarding the novelty of the error.
As promised, now I'm going to show you your inner SOUL... You have made 3,943 Posts on this board... In those 3,943 posts you have posted around 10+ posts that are completely wrong (100+ posts eh?) and so therefore I will discredit EVERTHING you have to say in the future... Before you reply that no one is an expert or perfect please please go turn up your music and start to THINK before you post on these boards... I don't ask much do I?
Just keep telling yourself that you can see around corners. Weird stuff.
if the standard is that humans performing authentication (which at least in part is subjective work) are unable to err or are no longer considered experts, then there are zero authentication experts in any field on the planet.
ALL humans will make mistakes at some point. perfection cannot be the standard in authentication.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
People like Steve when he helps them make lots of money. Not so much if he doesn’t. A mystery Scooby-Doo and those meddling kids could easily solve.
I would venture to say most people foremost like Steve because of the way he has treated them over the years, with kindness and respect.
Not sure if everyone is aware but BBCE is now running quarterly auctions.
Lots of rookies and unopened boxes!
I’ve been consigning to them the last year or so and it’s been a wonderful experience. Been screwed over before so it’s nice to work with people you can trust!
Right on! When I do you'll be the first to know
... Rock/Mush on...
Because he can’t. He obviously has an issue with Steve so that puts him in the 1/10th of 1 pct of collectors
Yet I did provide an example. It’s ignored because it speaks to the issue directly. Can’t hide from failure of expert bias.
You guys who are indoctrinated in the church of Steve are not my target audience.
I suggest ignoring the clown. He's obviously looking for attention. Still has issues about being picked last in elementary school sports.
Love the character attacks. You guys are winning. Keep it up.
Statement of facts are NOT character attacks. They are reality. Plus your the guy who started with character attacks.
Attacking a great guy in our hobby because you want attention is pathetic.
You’re right. I was picked last. Fact. I’m a clown. Fact. Looking for attention. Fact. WNBA was profitable. Fact.
Going back to the OP's question, I would assume that a stain on the label would have no impact on the value of the box.
buying O-Pee-Chee (OPC) baseball cards
also collecting US & Canadian silver coins
I don’t doubt that for a second. I know he’s a respectful and respectable person. An asset to our hobby, way beyond most. I stop with the praise when we reach the pedestal of perfection because no one in this business has earned one. And Steve probably doesn’t want or need to placed on it.
This is weapons-grade irony. You're coming across as a guy still butthurt that he had a few packs rejected. I don't have a dog in the fight, just calling it how I see it.
You came here to cast stones, which is why you called him a moron and other derogatory names. If you had wanted to have a serious discussion and "warn" people, you would have just gone through the examples you claim to have and left it at that. But the way you keep responding to every little comment, keeping the focus on you, does make it look like you're just looking for attention.
Because as it stands, you're not providing anyone with any kind of solid information. In fact, it's the opposite: you're just bringing out all the people who have positive things to say about Steve and then you take personal shots at them. You could have had some credibility but instead your argument looks weak and juvenile.
Arthur
I refer to Steve as a moron. I find him to be rather stupid. I’ve also said that he’s a nice person generally and I don’t think he’s nefarious in any way.
Over the years I would estimate I’ve lost about 100K to Steve’s mistakes. Worst was a 71 topps vending. Not a fasc. Was ordered. It hurts to burn thousands but it’s not the end of the world for me. Again. I’m only going to mention that Steve is just as much an expert at making mistakes as he is at authenticating unopened. So whatever guys. Butthurt. That’s a good one.
Right or wrong, name calling is never necessary.
Matt
How would you describe someone who you think is a moron to convey that they’re a moron? Why do words exist. Oh grow up. Every time there’s an anomaly this guy comes out and stands behind his own authentication by inventing a new collation. I cannot find a better word to describe Steve. Talk to him yourself at the National or watch one of his dithering videos on YouTube. Name calling. Please. Ignore the fact that he makes more mistakes than NFL referees if you want. Just don’t buy his product thinking he’s anything more than a collector who has convinced his flock of his expertise.
You're just repeating yourself. We get it, you don't like Steve and you've successfully hijacked someone's thread. Just walk away. You're not contributing anything new at this point, just feeding your need for attention. I think you've had enough.
Arthur
i can't speak for bgr, but i think the obsequious flattery is what reaches a tipping point for some. i used to be an unopened collector and my experiences with Steve were always nothing but positive. but i also recall a time when a member of this forum posted a rack that wasn't exactly inexpensive and it had BBCE's stamp of approval on it. when i saw it i knew within 2 seconds that it was bad, and that's because i was immersed with that particular product at the time and had practically memorized the sequencing. and mind you, in the grand scheme of things i don't know shit compared to Steve Hart. so for me to immediately recognize a faux pas that he absolutely should have been aware of lends itself to the question of whether or not people should gratuitously toss around superlatives like "expert," especially when there are other examples that are far more egregious than the one i just mentioned.
and btw, when someone calmly addresses an initial question long after it has been forgotten and it happens right smack dab in the middle of a full-blown scrum, i don't care who you are............that's the epitome of funny. muchas gracias, waxman.
You have my permission to speak for me on these forums galaxy.
Arthur - it’s certainly circular. I don’t know if I’m the head or the tail though. Now that I’ve tee’d that up.
I wanna know where the upside is to losing over 100K on bogus product. 😮
This thread has become a train wreck having derailed to the point of moderator intervention to shut it down…
The moderators are busy logging in shipments received from July.
I’m not sure you want to call the mods attention here. All I’ve said is Steve Hart is a moron. But others. There were a couple classic crashouts. Britney’s back!
IMO the thread should stay exactly the way it is. Not a big fan of deleting comments. Let the comments be there for all to see.