@jwitten said:
eBay sold prices today are the same as on the day of your claim. Like I said. They are still strong and still sold out.
He doesn't care to even look.
They are about $10 lower than they were 3 weeks ago. As long as they stay above $150, it's all good (for me).
Apparently, it's another item he has no interest in that he's also an "expert" in.
There were a few sales on the 19th that were $10 higher than they are now, but there were also some sales lower than what they are now. Overall it’s about the same the best I can tell.
@goldenboy89 said:
just noticed the ATS is 34,867. it looks like the subs hit.
With an HHL of 10, how long do you think these last? @jmlanzaf if these go too quickly, FOMO could set in temporarily on the secondary market, pushing this over $200 for a period of time.
That was my hope in holding on to the subs. Like everything, it's a gamble
I was surprised to hear the ATS was that low, while still keeping the HHL at 10. How long do you believe those will hold out on Tuesday?
They'll go fast, since there aren't that many of them. The real is question is what is going to happen in the secondary market?
A lot of the 90K already spoken for will be offered for resale. The BOMs are sitting, at higher prices but much lower mintages. No one seems to care about 60K 2026-Ps, but they managed to sell 400K regular proofs.
So, they should be good, but people might also be getting burnt out. TBD, but they are a reasonable bet with a mintage of 125K.
As far as the HHL goes, I think the lesson they learned from holding back Congratulations sets and regular proof ASEs, and then selling the remainder later with no HHL to a lukewarm reception, is to strike while the iron is hot and just sell them.
Subscriptions were available long enough for anyone paying attention to get them. They're likely very happy now to just sell the balance, 10 at time, and be done with them, rather than cutting people back and then risking having them not sell out.
Very reasonable take on what 2026 has brought us so far. Hopefully they don't decide to mint another 100,000 of them after seeing these sell out quickly on Tuesday. Seems to be a lesson they aren't learning from the aforementioned releases you used as examples above.
Looks like the 2026 Uncirculated set is now sitting Add to bag for the last few days with about 7,000 left to sell this morning. Not sure how many they offered up on back order. Was it a substantial number?
No. As much as I pretty much hate the direction they are going in, they won't do that. What they did with the proof ASEs is not the same, because they intentionally under produced them, and then stopped taking orders and did not take Back Orders, choosing instead to produce the remainder and place them on sale months later.
That won't happen here, assuming 90K accurately reflects subscriptions and ABPP sales, and that 35K is all that remains from the 125K mintage limit. No way will they meaningfully exceed 125K.
They published that number specifically to encourage people to buy. They won't pull the rug out from them, any more than they will now make another 5K silver Liberty Bells.
I haven't been paying attention to the Uncirculated sets since launch, so I have no idea where all the extra inventory is coming from. My bet is Big Boys canceling Back Order quantity because they are seeing sales already start to soften and don't want to get stuck at these prices.
Not because thousands of credit cards failed, or because they are exceeding mintage limits. They'll sell out as long as people can flip them on eBay, but that too will stop at some point.
At which point even more Back Orders will be canceled. As a result, their sell out might end the same way the gold Liberty Bells and proof ASEs will end. By not actually selling out.
What they chose to do with the ASE this year made me dump mine. Didn't think I wanted to hold onto one of 500,000 at $173. I can do without that one. I'll keep one of these for my 2026 collection and forego the other.
The Uncirculated set now says this "This item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made. Please add the item to your cart to see when additional inventory is expected to be available" and "This product is currently on back order and is estimated to ship on Fri Aug 21 2026" when placed in your cart.
As for the Liberty Bell golds, I'm not sure those will sell out any time soon. 634 ONE oz and 445 half oz remain on a Sunday morning.
Right. People are buying Back Ordered uncirculated sets now because they can be sold on eBay for more than $124.50. If those prices start to weaken, as they almost certainly will, and people can't deliver within eBay's guidelines, and buyers start to cancel because they see prices dropping, watch for people to start canceling their Mint Back Orders.
They are only available because large buyers already canceled Back Orders. They have a view into the retail market that the small sellers don't currently have, but they will catch up. Just wait.
So what’s your timeline for when the uncirculated sets start to tank?
Haven't they already? @jmlanzaf is the expert on this, given the large number he has on back order, and the price weakness already being observed.
The odds are the price will be going down, not up, once the back ordered sets hit the market. Ask him if he is committed to taking all of the sets he has on order.
Nope, prices are still strong and they are still sold out.
They have weakened slightly, as have the Lincoln prices. I think it'll be a fair amount of time before they are under the issue price. But I have considered cutting my order in half.
And the fact is that you are not alone. The demand is what it is, and has likely already peaked. The other side of the equation is supply, and that will increase significantly when the back ordered coins hit the market. Same as what happened with West Point proof ASEs.
Really not a mystery, even if @jwitten wants to turn it into one. if I'm wrong, maybe you can work something out with him where he agrees to take whatever you are thinking about canceling off your hands for a premium, given that "prices are still strong and they are still sold out."
I don't think the supply increase is that "significant". Isn't it only 10 or 20% of the total mintage.
Yes. That's all it takes at the margin. Which is what makes it "significant."
With the ASEs. 60% of the maximum mintage was made available at launch, with 40% held back. Around 50% of that 40% is still available how many weeks out from the second release now? Only 20% of total mintage. Yet it's hanging over the entire market, and keeping prices suppressed.
There is either pent up demand ready to absorb it at current prices, or else you are going to see the floor fall out from beneath you when you go to sell them once in hand. You know this, which is why you are having second thoughts.
No. I'm having second thoughts because the natural trend of Mint product prices is almost always down. I would expect them to weaken with our without 30,000 new sets. That is why I hesitated to buy them in the first place and also why I didn't buy 1000 sets.
I have no doubt the price will be above $124.50 after the release. What i don't know is whether it is high enough to be worth the effort.
You'd think you would have learned something yesterday on the gold bell thread about making assumptions. But, at least you're consistent.
Yes, I'm consistent. I also have not validated that the Mint is not shipping Liberty Bells. I'm just giving a respected member of the forum the benefit of the doubt.
With this, it's a no-brainer. You are saying the same thing as I am.
They were going for over $200 after release. Now they are $170 and heading lower.
@jwitten was just looking for an argument with me, as though they have not already started to tank, even though they are still above issue price ("prices are still strong"), with tens of thousands remaining to be shipped. If you and the folks awaiting the remaining 30K had them, you'd be dumping them.
As I said, if there is pent up demand to absorb them at current prices, you'd "know is whether it is high enough to be worth the effort." Like me, you don't think it will be there.
The question is not +/- $124.50 the day after the back orders ship. We both know they are headed below issue price. We just don't know exactly when.
So, I'm not wrong, and there is nothing to argue about. They are already far below where they were the day after release, so they have already begun to tank. They are just not yet done tanking.
If @jwitten does not agree, you just might have a buyer at current prices for whatever you have coming that you no longer want. Otherwise, as I said, he was just looking to pick a fight with me, and talk is cheap.
They really have not dropped that much. They were at $190 when I got my first subscriptions and they are just about $180 now.
Then it's my mistake. I thought they were higher, and I am seeing plenty go for below $180 now.
To be honest, I was reacting as much to your aggressive buying, and now expressed hesitation to take delivery as to anything else. So you do seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth on this. Locking in sales at $150 while lecturing me about the prices holding at "just about $180 now." Which is it?
I know -- $180 now, but not necessarily when you would be taking delivery. Yeah, as I said, tanking.
I was HONEST about this issue, examining both sides of the trade. That is not "talking out of both sides of your mouth". It is considering the entire picture, doing research, and being reasonable.
For the reasons I've stated: If I could have gotten immediate delivery 2 weeks ago, I would have bought 1000. Since I had to wait 5 weeks, I only bought 220 of them, with some hesitation. Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons.
Your response continues to do a disservice to your own reputation.
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@jwitten said:
eBay sold prices today are the same as on the day of your claim. Like I said. They are still strong and still sold out.
He doesn't care to even look.
They are about $10 lower than they were 3 weeks ago. As long as they stay above $150, it's all good (for me).
Apparently, it's another item he has no interest in that he's also an "expert" in.
There were a few sales on the 19th that were $10 higher than they are now, but there were also some sales lower than what they are now. Overall it’s about the same the best I can tell.
My tracking has the average dropping about $10 from the release, but it's still in the ballpark. I generally agree with you. (And your much easier to talk to than NJ.) I'm more concerned about 3 weeks from now, but that's just reasonable caution in my book.
It's only $28,000 and I certainly wouldn't lose more than a tiny fraction of that if they dropped more. They aren't going to drop $50 in 3 weeks. So, I'll likely roll the dice
I should know better than to be transparent here. I should try just gaslighting everything. [I'm not referring to you. You have been a pleasure. ]
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@goldenboy89 said:
just noticed the ATS is 34,867. it looks like the subs hit.
With an HHL of 10, how long do you think these last? @jmlanzaf if these go too quickly, FOMO could set in temporarily on the secondary market, pushing this over $200 for a period of time.
That was my hope in holding on to the subs. Like everything, it's a gamble
I was surprised to hear the ATS was that low, while still keeping the HHL at 10. How long do you believe those will hold out on Tuesday?
They'll go fast, since there aren't that many of them. The real is question is what is going to happen in the secondary market?
A lot of the 90K already spoken for will be offered for resale. The BOMs are sitting, at higher prices but much lower mintages. No one seems to care about 60K 2026-Ps, but they managed to sell 400K regular proofs.
So, they should be good, but people might also be getting burnt out. TBD, but they are a reasonable bet with a mintage of 125K.
As far as the HHL goes, I think the lesson they learned from holding back Congratulations sets and regular proof ASEs, and then selling the remainder later with no HHL to a lukewarm reception, is to strike while the iron is hot and just sell them.
Subscriptions were available long enough for anyone paying attention to get them. They're likely very happy now to just sell the balance, 10 at time, and be done with them, rather than cutting people back and then risking having them not sell out.
Very reasonable take on what 2026 has brought us so far. Hopefully they don't decide to mint another 100,000 of them after seeing these sell out quickly on Tuesday. Seems to be a lesson they aren't learning from the aforementioned releases you used as examples above.
Looks like the 2026 Uncirculated set is now sitting Add to bag for the last few days with about 7,000 left to sell this morning. Not sure how many they offered up on back order. Was it a substantial number?
No. As much as I pretty much hate the direction they are going in, they won't do that. What they did with the proof ASEs is not the same, because they intentionally under produced them, and then stopped taking orders and did not take Back Orders, choosing instead to produce the remainder and place them on sale months later.
That won't happen here, assuming 90K accurately reflects subscriptions and ABPP sales, and that 35K is all that remains from the 125K mintage limit. No way will they meaningfully exceed 125K.
They published that number specifically to encourage people to buy. They won't pull the rug out from them, any more than they will now make another 5K silver Liberty Bells.
I haven't been paying attention to the Uncirculated sets since launch, so I have no idea where all the extra inventory is coming from. My bet is Big Boys canceling Back Order quantity because they are seeing sales already start to soften and don't want to get stuck at these prices.
Not because thousands of credit cards failed, or because they are exceeding mintage limits. They'll sell out as long as people can flip them on eBay, but that too will stop at some point.
At which point even more Back Orders will be canceled. As a result, their sell out might end the same way the gold Liberty Bells and proof ASEs will end. By not actually selling out.
What they chose to do with the ASE this year made me dump mine. Didn't think I wanted to hold onto one of 500,000 at $173. I can do without that one. I'll keep one of these for my 2026 collection and forego the other.
The Uncirculated set now says this "This item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made. Please add the item to your cart to see when additional inventory is expected to be available" and "This product is currently on back order and is estimated to ship on Fri Aug 21 2026" when placed in your cart.
As for the Liberty Bell golds, I'm not sure those will sell out any time soon. 634 ONE oz and 445 half oz remain on a Sunday morning.
Right. People are buying Back Ordered uncirculated sets now because they can be sold on eBay for more than $124.50. If those prices start to weaken, as they almost certainly will, and people can't deliver within eBay's guidelines, and buyers start to cancel because they see prices dropping, watch for people to start canceling their Mint Back Orders.
They are only available because large buyers already canceled Back Orders. They have a view into the retail market that the small sellers don't currently have, but they will catch up. Just wait.
So what’s your timeline for when the uncirculated sets start to tank?
Haven't they already? @jmlanzaf is the expert on this, given the large number he has on back order, and the price weakness already being observed.
The odds are the price will be going down, not up, once the back ordered sets hit the market. Ask him if he is committed to taking all of the sets he has on order.
Nope, prices are still strong and they are still sold out.
They have weakened slightly, as have the Lincoln prices. I think it'll be a fair amount of time before they are under the issue price. But I have considered cutting my order in half.
And the fact is that you are not alone. The demand is what it is, and has likely already peaked. The other side of the equation is supply, and that will increase significantly when the back ordered coins hit the market. Same as what happened with West Point proof ASEs.
Really not a mystery, even if @jwitten wants to turn it into one. if I'm wrong, maybe you can work something out with him where he agrees to take whatever you are thinking about canceling off your hands for a premium, given that "prices are still strong and they are still sold out."
I don't think the supply increase is that "significant". Isn't it only 10 or 20% of the total mintage.
Yes. That's all it takes at the margin. Which is what makes it "significant."
With the ASEs. 60% of the maximum mintage was made available at launch, with 40% held back. Around 50% of that 40% is still available how many weeks out from the second release now? Only 20% of total mintage. Yet it's hanging over the entire market, and keeping prices suppressed.
There is either pent up demand ready to absorb it at current prices, or else you are going to see the floor fall out from beneath you when you go to sell them once in hand. You know this, which is why you are having second thoughts.
No. I'm having second thoughts because the natural trend of Mint product prices is almost always down. I would expect them to weaken with our without 30,000 new sets. That is why I hesitated to buy them in the first place and also why I didn't buy 1000 sets.
I have no doubt the price will be above $124.50 after the release. What i don't know is whether it is high enough to be worth the effort.
You'd think you would have learned something yesterday on the gold bell thread about making assumptions. But, at least you're consistent.
Yes, I'm consistent. I also have not validated that the Mint is not shipping Liberty Bells. I'm just giving a respected member of the forum the benefit of the doubt.
With this, it's a no-brainer. You are saying the same thing as I am.
They were going for over $200 after release. Now they are $170 and heading lower.
@jwitten was just looking for an argument with me, as though they have not already started to tank, even though they are still above issue price ("prices are still strong"), with tens of thousands remaining to be shipped. If you and the folks awaiting the remaining 30K had them, you'd be dumping them.
As I said, if there is pent up demand to absorb them at current prices, you'd "know is whether it is high enough to be worth the effort." Like me, you don't think it will be there.
The question is not +/- $124.50 the day after the back orders ship. We both know they are headed below issue price. We just don't know exactly when.
So, I'm not wrong, and there is nothing to argue about. They are already far below where they were the day after release, so they have already begun to tank. They are just not yet done tanking.
If @jwitten does not agree, you just might have a buyer at current prices for whatever you have coming that you no longer want. Otherwise, as I said, he was just looking to pick a fight with me, and talk is cheap.
They really have not dropped that much. They were at $190 when I got my first subscriptions and they are just about $180 now.
Then it's my mistake. I thought they were higher, and I am seeing plenty go for below $180 now.
To be honest, I was reacting as much to your aggressive buying, and now expressed hesitation to take delivery as to anything else. So you do seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth on this. Locking in sales at $150 while lecturing me about the prices holding at "just about $180 now." Which is it?
I know -- $180 now, but not necessarily when you would be taking delivery. Yeah, as I said, tanking.
I was HONEST about this issue, examining both sides of the trade. That is not "talking out of both sides of your mouth". It is considering the entire picture, doing research, and being reasonable.
For the reasons I've stated: If I could have gotten immediate delivery 2 weeks ago, I would have bought 1000. Since I had to wait 5 weeks, I only bought 220 of them, with some hesitation. Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons.
Your response continues to do a disservice to your own reputation.
No. Because I'm agreeing with you. No one is talking about what you would have done 2 weeks ago.
We are talking about now, with delivery in the future. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth when conflating what was with what will be.
For some reason, @jwitten came out of nowhere, on an unrelated thread, for giving me a hard time for predicting when these came out that the price would eventually tank. As it has been. Argue about the degree. Argue about the timing. But it is happening. "Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons."
Again, if I am incorrect, and past equals prologue, I think I found a buyer for you at $150. @jwitten? Paging @jwitten.
If not, I think we all on the same page, but you two want to parse my words to find something to criticize.
I pointed to you because you are the guy with the standing orders who has been public about your doubts. For some reason, @jwitten wanted to take a victory lap on my head as though what's happening isn't happening. And you are playing both sides, as though you don't see what is happening.
"$180 isn't that much below $190." Ignoring current sales below $180, ignoring past sales above $190, and ignoring your own admitted desire to lock in future sales at $150.
Now, argue with me about the direction of these. Right now. Today. Quote me $180 while committing to selling in the future at $150. Feel free.
@goldenboy89 said:
just noticed the ATS is 34,867. it looks like the subs hit.
With an HHL of 10, how long do you think these last? @jmlanzaf if these go too quickly, FOMO could set in temporarily on the secondary market, pushing this over $200 for a period of time.
That was my hope in holding on to the subs. Like everything, it's a gamble
I was surprised to hear the ATS was that low, while still keeping the HHL at 10. How long do you believe those will hold out on Tuesday?
They'll go fast, since there aren't that many of them. The real is question is what is going to happen in the secondary market?
A lot of the 90K already spoken for will be offered for resale. The BOMs are sitting, at higher prices but much lower mintages. No one seems to care about 60K 2026-Ps, but they managed to sell 400K regular proofs.
So, they should be good, but people might also be getting burnt out. TBD, but they are a reasonable bet with a mintage of 125K.
As far as the HHL goes, I think the lesson they learned from holding back Congratulations sets and regular proof ASEs, and then selling the remainder later with no HHL to a lukewarm reception, is to strike while the iron is hot and just sell them.
Subscriptions were available long enough for anyone paying attention to get them. They're likely very happy now to just sell the balance, 10 at time, and be done with them, rather than cutting people back and then risking having them not sell out.
Very reasonable take on what 2026 has brought us so far. Hopefully they don't decide to mint another 100,000 of them after seeing these sell out quickly on Tuesday. Seems to be a lesson they aren't learning from the aforementioned releases you used as examples above.
Looks like the 2026 Uncirculated set is now sitting Add to bag for the last few days with about 7,000 left to sell this morning. Not sure how many they offered up on back order. Was it a substantial number?
No. As much as I pretty much hate the direction they are going in, they won't do that. What they did with the proof ASEs is not the same, because they intentionally under produced them, and then stopped taking orders and did not take Back Orders, choosing instead to produce the remainder and place them on sale months later.
That won't happen here, assuming 90K accurately reflects subscriptions and ABPP sales, and that 35K is all that remains from the 125K mintage limit. No way will they meaningfully exceed 125K.
They published that number specifically to encourage people to buy. They won't pull the rug out from them, any more than they will now make another 5K silver Liberty Bells.
I haven't been paying attention to the Uncirculated sets since launch, so I have no idea where all the extra inventory is coming from. My bet is Big Boys canceling Back Order quantity because they are seeing sales already start to soften and don't want to get stuck at these prices.
Not because thousands of credit cards failed, or because they are exceeding mintage limits. They'll sell out as long as people can flip them on eBay, but that too will stop at some point.
At which point even more Back Orders will be canceled. As a result, their sell out might end the same way the gold Liberty Bells and proof ASEs will end. By not actually selling out.
What they chose to do with the ASE this year made me dump mine. Didn't think I wanted to hold onto one of 500,000 at $173. I can do without that one. I'll keep one of these for my 2026 collection and forego the other.
The Uncirculated set now says this "This item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made. Please add the item to your cart to see when additional inventory is expected to be available" and "This product is currently on back order and is estimated to ship on Fri Aug 21 2026" when placed in your cart.
As for the Liberty Bell golds, I'm not sure those will sell out any time soon. 634 ONE oz and 445 half oz remain on a Sunday morning.
Right. People are buying Back Ordered uncirculated sets now because they can be sold on eBay for more than $124.50. If those prices start to weaken, as they almost certainly will, and people can't deliver within eBay's guidelines, and buyers start to cancel because they see prices dropping, watch for people to start canceling their Mint Back Orders.
They are only available because large buyers already canceled Back Orders. They have a view into the retail market that the small sellers don't currently have, but they will catch up. Just wait.
So what’s your timeline for when the uncirculated sets start to tank?
Haven't they already? @jmlanzaf is the expert on this, given the large number he has on back order, and the price weakness already being observed.
The odds are the price will be going down, not up, once the back ordered sets hit the market. Ask him if he is committed to taking all of the sets he has on order.
Nope, prices are still strong and they are still sold out.
They have weakened slightly, as have the Lincoln prices. I think it'll be a fair amount of time before they are under the issue price. But I have considered cutting my order in half.
And the fact is that you are not alone. The demand is what it is, and has likely already peaked. The other side of the equation is supply, and that will increase significantly when the back ordered coins hit the market. Same as what happened with West Point proof ASEs.
Really not a mystery, even if @jwitten wants to turn it into one. if I'm wrong, maybe you can work something out with him where he agrees to take whatever you are thinking about canceling off your hands for a premium, given that "prices are still strong and they are still sold out."
I don't think the supply increase is that "significant". Isn't it only 10 or 20% of the total mintage.
Yes. That's all it takes at the margin. Which is what makes it "significant."
With the ASEs. 60% of the maximum mintage was made available at launch, with 40% held back. Around 50% of that 40% is still available how many weeks out from the second release now? Only 20% of total mintage. Yet it's hanging over the entire market, and keeping prices suppressed.
There is either pent up demand ready to absorb it at current prices, or else you are going to see the floor fall out from beneath you when you go to sell them once in hand. You know this, which is why you are having second thoughts.
No. I'm having second thoughts because the natural trend of Mint product prices is almost always down. I would expect them to weaken with our without 30,000 new sets. That is why I hesitated to buy them in the first place and also why I didn't buy 1000 sets.
I have no doubt the price will be above $124.50 after the release. What i don't know is whether it is high enough to be worth the effort.
You'd think you would have learned something yesterday on the gold bell thread about making assumptions. But, at least you're consistent.
Yes, I'm consistent. I also have not validated that the Mint is not shipping Liberty Bells. I'm just giving a respected member of the forum the benefit of the doubt.
With this, it's a no-brainer. You are saying the same thing as I am.
They were going for over $200 after release. Now they are $170 and heading lower.
@jwitten was just looking for an argument with me, as though they have not already started to tank, even though they are still above issue price ("prices are still strong"), with tens of thousands remaining to be shipped. If you and the folks awaiting the remaining 30K had them, you'd be dumping them.
As I said, if there is pent up demand to absorb them at current prices, you'd "know is whether it is high enough to be worth the effort." Like me, you don't think it will be there.
The question is not +/- $124.50 the day after the back orders ship. We both know they are headed below issue price. We just don't know exactly when.
So, I'm not wrong, and there is nothing to argue about. They are already far below where they were the day after release, so they have already begun to tank. They are just not yet done tanking.
If @jwitten does not agree, you just might have a buyer at current prices for whatever you have coming that you no longer want. Otherwise, as I said, he was just looking to pick a fight with me, and talk is cheap.
They really have not dropped that much. They were at $190 when I got my first subscriptions and they are just about $180 now.
Then it's my mistake. I thought they were higher, and I am seeing plenty go for below $180 now.
To be honest, I was reacting as much to your aggressive buying, and now expressed hesitation to take delivery as to anything else. So you do seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth on this. Locking in sales at $150 while lecturing me about the prices holding at "just about $180 now." Which is it?
I know -- $180 now, but not necessarily when you would be taking delivery. Yeah, as I said, tanking.
I was HONEST about this issue, examining both sides of the trade. That is not "talking out of both sides of your mouth". It is considering the entire picture, doing research, and being reasonable.
For the reasons I've stated: If I could have gotten immediate delivery 2 weeks ago, I would have bought 1000. Since I had to wait 5 weeks, I only bought 220 of them, with some hesitation. Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons.
Your response continues to do a disservice to your own reputation.
No. Because I'm agreeing with you. No one is talking about what you would have done 2 weeks ago.
We are talking about now, with delivery in the future. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth when conflating what was with what will be.
For some reason, @jwitten came out of nowhere, on an unrelated thread, for giving me a hard time for predicting when these came out that the price would eventually tank. As it has been. Argue about the degree. Argue about the timing. But it is happening. "Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons."
Again, if I am incorrect, and past equals prologue, I think I found a buyer for you at $150. @jwitten? Paging @jwitten.
If not, I think we all on the same page, but you two want to parse my words to find something to criticize.
I pointed to you because you are the guy with the standing orders who has been public about your doubts. For some reason, @jwitten wanted to take a victory lap on my head as though what's happening isn't happening. And you are playing both sides, as though you don't see what is happening.
"$180 isn't that much below $190." Ignoring current sales below $180, ignoring past sales above $190, and ignoring your own admitted desire to lock in future sales at $150.
Now, argue with me about the direction of these. Right now. Today. Quote me $180 while committing to selling in the future at $150. Feel free.
I never argued about direction. The direction of 99% of all Mint products is down. I think I've been very clear about that for decades.
I don't know what your disagreement is with jwitten, but I'm not sure why I got dragged into it.
I've already told you that the $180 and $190 numbers were averages, not "ignoring" anything. And I didn't claime a "desire to lock in future sales at $150". I mentioned that I had a dealer lock in a sale at $150 which is actually equivalent to an eBay sale of $175 after eBay fees and shipping. The fact that a dealer is locking in sales at $150 is actually a "bullish" indicator and indicates the Exchange numbers are not lower than that.
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@goldenboy89 said:
just noticed the ATS is 34,867. it looks like the subs hit.
With an HHL of 10, how long do you think these last? @jmlanzaf if these go too quickly, FOMO could set in temporarily on the secondary market, pushing this over $200 for a period of time.
That was my hope in holding on to the subs. Like everything, it's a gamble
I was surprised to hear the ATS was that low, while still keeping the HHL at 10. How long do you believe those will hold out on Tuesday?
They'll go fast, since there aren't that many of them. The real is question is what is going to happen in the secondary market?
A lot of the 90K already spoken for will be offered for resale. The BOMs are sitting, at higher prices but much lower mintages. No one seems to care about 60K 2026-Ps, but they managed to sell 400K regular proofs.
So, they should be good, but people might also be getting burnt out. TBD, but they are a reasonable bet with a mintage of 125K.
As far as the HHL goes, I think the lesson they learned from holding back Congratulations sets and regular proof ASEs, and then selling the remainder later with no HHL to a lukewarm reception, is to strike while the iron is hot and just sell them.
Subscriptions were available long enough for anyone paying attention to get them. They're likely very happy now to just sell the balance, 10 at time, and be done with them, rather than cutting people back and then risking having them not sell out.
Very reasonable take on what 2026 has brought us so far. Hopefully they don't decide to mint another 100,000 of them after seeing these sell out quickly on Tuesday. Seems to be a lesson they aren't learning from the aforementioned releases you used as examples above.
Looks like the 2026 Uncirculated set is now sitting Add to bag for the last few days with about 7,000 left to sell this morning. Not sure how many they offered up on back order. Was it a substantial number?
No. As much as I pretty much hate the direction they are going in, they won't do that. What they did with the proof ASEs is not the same, because they intentionally under produced them, and then stopped taking orders and did not take Back Orders, choosing instead to produce the remainder and place them on sale months later.
That won't happen here, assuming 90K accurately reflects subscriptions and ABPP sales, and that 35K is all that remains from the 125K mintage limit. No way will they meaningfully exceed 125K.
They published that number specifically to encourage people to buy. They won't pull the rug out from them, any more than they will now make another 5K silver Liberty Bells.
I haven't been paying attention to the Uncirculated sets since launch, so I have no idea where all the extra inventory is coming from. My bet is Big Boys canceling Back Order quantity because they are seeing sales already start to soften and don't want to get stuck at these prices.
Not because thousands of credit cards failed, or because they are exceeding mintage limits. They'll sell out as long as people can flip them on eBay, but that too will stop at some point.
At which point even more Back Orders will be canceled. As a result, their sell out might end the same way the gold Liberty Bells and proof ASEs will end. By not actually selling out.
What they chose to do with the ASE this year made me dump mine. Didn't think I wanted to hold onto one of 500,000 at $173. I can do without that one. I'll keep one of these for my 2026 collection and forego the other.
The Uncirculated set now says this "This item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made. Please add the item to your cart to see when additional inventory is expected to be available" and "This product is currently on back order and is estimated to ship on Fri Aug 21 2026" when placed in your cart.
As for the Liberty Bell golds, I'm not sure those will sell out any time soon. 634 ONE oz and 445 half oz remain on a Sunday morning.
Right. People are buying Back Ordered uncirculated sets now because they can be sold on eBay for more than $124.50. If those prices start to weaken, as they almost certainly will, and people can't deliver within eBay's guidelines, and buyers start to cancel because they see prices dropping, watch for people to start canceling their Mint Back Orders.
They are only available because large buyers already canceled Back Orders. They have a view into the retail market that the small sellers don't currently have, but they will catch up. Just wait.
So what’s your timeline for when the uncirculated sets start to tank?
Haven't they already? @jmlanzaf is the expert on this, given the large number he has on back order, and the price weakness already being observed.
The odds are the price will be going down, not up, once the back ordered sets hit the market. Ask him if he is committed to taking all of the sets he has on order.
Nope, prices are still strong and they are still sold out.
They have weakened slightly, as have the Lincoln prices. I think it'll be a fair amount of time before they are under the issue price. But I have considered cutting my order in half.
And the fact is that you are not alone. The demand is what it is, and has likely already peaked. The other side of the equation is supply, and that will increase significantly when the back ordered coins hit the market. Same as what happened with West Point proof ASEs.
Really not a mystery, even if @jwitten wants to turn it into one. if I'm wrong, maybe you can work something out with him where he agrees to take whatever you are thinking about canceling off your hands for a premium, given that "prices are still strong and they are still sold out."
I don't think the supply increase is that "significant". Isn't it only 10 or 20% of the total mintage.
Yes. That's all it takes at the margin. Which is what makes it "significant."
With the ASEs. 60% of the maximum mintage was made available at launch, with 40% held back. Around 50% of that 40% is still available how many weeks out from the second release now? Only 20% of total mintage. Yet it's hanging over the entire market, and keeping prices suppressed.
There is either pent up demand ready to absorb it at current prices, or else you are going to see the floor fall out from beneath you when you go to sell them once in hand. You know this, which is why you are having second thoughts.
No. I'm having second thoughts because the natural trend of Mint product prices is almost always down. I would expect them to weaken with our without 30,000 new sets. That is why I hesitated to buy them in the first place and also why I didn't buy 1000 sets.
I have no doubt the price will be above $124.50 after the release. What i don't know is whether it is high enough to be worth the effort.
You'd think you would have learned something yesterday on the gold bell thread about making assumptions. But, at least you're consistent.
Yes, I'm consistent. I also have not validated that the Mint is not shipping Liberty Bells. I'm just giving a respected member of the forum the benefit of the doubt.
With this, it's a no-brainer. You are saying the same thing as I am.
They were going for over $200 after release. Now they are $170 and heading lower.
@jwitten was just looking for an argument with me, as though they have not already started to tank, even though they are still above issue price ("prices are still strong"), with tens of thousands remaining to be shipped. If you and the folks awaiting the remaining 30K had them, you'd be dumping them.
As I said, if there is pent up demand to absorb them at current prices, you'd "know is whether it is high enough to be worth the effort." Like me, you don't think it will be there.
The question is not +/- $124.50 the day after the back orders ship. We both know they are headed below issue price. We just don't know exactly when.
So, I'm not wrong, and there is nothing to argue about. They are already far below where they were the day after release, so they have already begun to tank. They are just not yet done tanking.
If @jwitten does not agree, you just might have a buyer at current prices for whatever you have coming that you no longer want. Otherwise, as I said, he was just looking to pick a fight with me, and talk is cheap.
They really have not dropped that much. They were at $190 when I got my first subscriptions and they are just about $180 now.
Then it's my mistake. I thought they were higher, and I am seeing plenty go for below $180 now.
To be honest, I was reacting as much to your aggressive buying, and now expressed hesitation to take delivery as to anything else. So you do seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth on this. Locking in sales at $150 while lecturing me about the prices holding at "just about $180 now." Which is it?
I know -- $180 now, but not necessarily when you would be taking delivery. Yeah, as I said, tanking.
I was HONEST about this issue, examining both sides of the trade. That is not "talking out of both sides of your mouth". It is considering the entire picture, doing research, and being reasonable.
For the reasons I've stated: If I could have gotten immediate delivery 2 weeks ago, I would have bought 1000. Since I had to wait 5 weeks, I only bought 220 of them, with some hesitation. Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons.
Your response continues to do a disservice to your own reputation.
No. Because I'm agreeing with you. No one is talking about what you would have done 2 weeks ago.
We are talking about now, with delivery in the future. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth when conflating what was with what will be.
For some reason, @jwitten came out of nowhere, on an unrelated thread, for giving me a hard time for predicting when these came out that the price would eventually tank. As it has been. Argue about the degree. Argue about the timing. But it is happening. "Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons."
Again, if I am incorrect, and past equals prologue, I think I found a buyer for you at $150. @jwitten? Paging @jwitten.
If not, I think we all on the same page, but you two want to parse my words to find something to criticize.
I pointed to you because you are the guy with the standing orders who has been public about your doubts. For some reason, @jwitten wanted to take a victory lap on my head as though what's happening isn't happening. And you are playing both sides, as though you don't see what is happening.
"$180 isn't that much below $190." Ignoring current sales below $180, ignoring past sales above $190, and ignoring your own admitted desire to lock in future sales at $150.
Now, argue with me about the direction of these. Right now. Today. Quote me $180 while committing to selling in the future at $150. Feel free.
I never argued about direction. The direction of 99% of all Mint products is down. I think I've been very clear about that for decades.
I don't know what your disagreement is with jwitten, but I'm not sure why I got dragged into it.
I've already told you that the $180 and $190 numbers were averages, not "ignoring" anything. And I didn't claime a "desire to lock in future sales at $150". I mentioned that I had a dealer lock in a sale at $150 which is actually equivalent to an eBay sale of $175 after eBay fees and shipping. The fact that a dealer is locking in sales at $150 is actually a "bullish" indicator and indicates the Exchange numbers are not lower than that.
You and I are totally fine. @jwitten just came out of nowhere, earlier in this thread, of all places, to ask me "So what’s your timeline for when the uncirculated sets start to tank?"
Giving me a hard time, because I said they would eventually tank when 300K were to be made at $124.50, and as though that has not yet begun. I only dragged you in because I thought you'd have something to say that would be supportive, given that you made no secret about ordering a lot, and now having second thoughts given that they have not yet shipped and the prices are already sliding. That's all.
@goldenboy89 said:
just noticed the ATS is 34,867. it looks like the subs hit.
With an HHL of 10, how long do you think these last? @jmlanzaf if these go too quickly, FOMO could set in temporarily on the secondary market, pushing this over $200 for a period of time.
That was my hope in holding on to the subs. Like everything, it's a gamble
I was surprised to hear the ATS was that low, while still keeping the HHL at 10. How long do you believe those will hold out on Tuesday?
They'll go fast, since there aren't that many of them. The real is question is what is going to happen in the secondary market?
A lot of the 90K already spoken for will be offered for resale. The BOMs are sitting, at higher prices but much lower mintages. No one seems to care about 60K 2026-Ps, but they managed to sell 400K regular proofs.
So, they should be good, but people might also be getting burnt out. TBD, but they are a reasonable bet with a mintage of 125K.
As far as the HHL goes, I think the lesson they learned from holding back Congratulations sets and regular proof ASEs, and then selling the remainder later with no HHL to a lukewarm reception, is to strike while the iron is hot and just sell them.
Subscriptions were available long enough for anyone paying attention to get them. They're likely very happy now to just sell the balance, 10 at time, and be done with them, rather than cutting people back and then risking having them not sell out.
Very reasonable take on what 2026 has brought us so far. Hopefully they don't decide to mint another 100,000 of them after seeing these sell out quickly on Tuesday. Seems to be a lesson they aren't learning from the aforementioned releases you used as examples above.
Looks like the 2026 Uncirculated set is now sitting Add to bag for the last few days with about 7,000 left to sell this morning. Not sure how many they offered up on back order. Was it a substantial number?
No. As much as I pretty much hate the direction they are going in, they won't do that. What they did with the proof ASEs is not the same, because they intentionally under produced them, and then stopped taking orders and did not take Back Orders, choosing instead to produce the remainder and place them on sale months later.
That won't happen here, assuming 90K accurately reflects subscriptions and ABPP sales, and that 35K is all that remains from the 125K mintage limit. No way will they meaningfully exceed 125K.
They published that number specifically to encourage people to buy. They won't pull the rug out from them, any more than they will now make another 5K silver Liberty Bells.
I haven't been paying attention to the Uncirculated sets since launch, so I have no idea where all the extra inventory is coming from. My bet is Big Boys canceling Back Order quantity because they are seeing sales already start to soften and don't want to get stuck at these prices.
Not because thousands of credit cards failed, or because they are exceeding mintage limits. They'll sell out as long as people can flip them on eBay, but that too will stop at some point.
At which point even more Back Orders will be canceled. As a result, their sell out might end the same way the gold Liberty Bells and proof ASEs will end. By not actually selling out.
What they chose to do with the ASE this year made me dump mine. Didn't think I wanted to hold onto one of 500,000 at $173. I can do without that one. I'll keep one of these for my 2026 collection and forego the other.
The Uncirculated set now says this "This item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made. Please add the item to your cart to see when additional inventory is expected to be available" and "This product is currently on back order and is estimated to ship on Fri Aug 21 2026" when placed in your cart.
As for the Liberty Bell golds, I'm not sure those will sell out any time soon. 634 ONE oz and 445 half oz remain on a Sunday morning.
Right. People are buying Back Ordered uncirculated sets now because they can be sold on eBay for more than $124.50. If those prices start to weaken, as they almost certainly will, and people can't deliver within eBay's guidelines, and buyers start to cancel because they see prices dropping, watch for people to start canceling their Mint Back Orders.
They are only available because large buyers already canceled Back Orders. They have a view into the retail market that the small sellers don't currently have, but they will catch up. Just wait.
So what’s your timeline for when the uncirculated sets start to tank?
Haven't they already? @jmlanzaf is the expert on this, given the large number he has on back order, and the price weakness already being observed.
The odds are the price will be going down, not up, once the back ordered sets hit the market. Ask him if he is committed to taking all of the sets he has on order.
Nope, prices are still strong and they are still sold out.
They have weakened slightly, as have the Lincoln prices. I think it'll be a fair amount of time before they are under the issue price. But I have considered cutting my order in half.
And the fact is that you are not alone. The demand is what it is, and has likely already peaked. The other side of the equation is supply, and that will increase significantly when the back ordered coins hit the market. Same as what happened with West Point proof ASEs.
Really not a mystery, even if @jwitten wants to turn it into one. if I'm wrong, maybe you can work something out with him where he agrees to take whatever you are thinking about canceling off your hands for a premium, given that "prices are still strong and they are still sold out."
I don't think the supply increase is that "significant". Isn't it only 10 or 20% of the total mintage.
Yes. That's all it takes at the margin. Which is what makes it "significant."
With the ASEs. 60% of the maximum mintage was made available at launch, with 40% held back. Around 50% of that 40% is still available how many weeks out from the second release now? Only 20% of total mintage. Yet it's hanging over the entire market, and keeping prices suppressed.
There is either pent up demand ready to absorb it at current prices, or else you are going to see the floor fall out from beneath you when you go to sell them once in hand. You know this, which is why you are having second thoughts.
No. I'm having second thoughts because the natural trend of Mint product prices is almost always down. I would expect them to weaken with our without 30,000 new sets. That is why I hesitated to buy them in the first place and also why I didn't buy 1000 sets.
I have no doubt the price will be above $124.50 after the release. What i don't know is whether it is high enough to be worth the effort.
You'd think you would have learned something yesterday on the gold bell thread about making assumptions. But, at least you're consistent.
Yes, I'm consistent. I also have not validated that the Mint is not shipping Liberty Bells. I'm just giving a respected member of the forum the benefit of the doubt.
With this, it's a no-brainer. You are saying the same thing as I am.
They were going for over $200 after release. Now they are $170 and heading lower.
@jwitten was just looking for an argument with me, as though they have not already started to tank, even though they are still above issue price ("prices are still strong"), with tens of thousands remaining to be shipped. If you and the folks awaiting the remaining 30K had them, you'd be dumping them.
As I said, if there is pent up demand to absorb them at current prices, you'd "know is whether it is high enough to be worth the effort." Like me, you don't think it will be there.
The question is not +/- $124.50 the day after the back orders ship. We both know they are headed below issue price. We just don't know exactly when.
So, I'm not wrong, and there is nothing to argue about. They are already far below where they were the day after release, so they have already begun to tank. They are just not yet done tanking.
If @jwitten does not agree, you just might have a buyer at current prices for whatever you have coming that you no longer want. Otherwise, as I said, he was just looking to pick a fight with me, and talk is cheap.
They really have not dropped that much. They were at $190 when I got my first subscriptions and they are just about $180 now.
Then it's my mistake. I thought they were higher, and I am seeing plenty go for below $180 now.
To be honest, I was reacting as much to your aggressive buying, and now expressed hesitation to take delivery as to anything else. So you do seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth on this. Locking in sales at $150 while lecturing me about the prices holding at "just about $180 now." Which is it?
I know -- $180 now, but not necessarily when you would be taking delivery. Yeah, as I said, tanking.
I was HONEST about this issue, examining both sides of the trade. That is not "talking out of both sides of your mouth". It is considering the entire picture, doing research, and being reasonable.
For the reasons I've stated: If I could have gotten immediate delivery 2 weeks ago, I would have bought 1000. Since I had to wait 5 weeks, I only bought 220 of them, with some hesitation. Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons.
Your response continues to do a disservice to your own reputation.
No. Because I'm agreeing with you. No one is talking about what you would have done 2 weeks ago.
We are talking about now, with delivery in the future. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth when conflating what was with what will be.
For some reason, @jwitten came out of nowhere, on an unrelated thread, for giving me a hard time for predicting when these came out that the price would eventually tank. As it has been. Argue about the degree. Argue about the timing. But it is happening. "Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons."
Again, if I am incorrect, and past equals prologue, I think I found a buyer for you at $150. @jwitten? Paging @jwitten.
If not, I think we all on the same page, but you two want to parse my words to find something to criticize.
I pointed to you because you are the guy with the standing orders who has been public about your doubts. For some reason, @jwitten wanted to take a victory lap on my head as though what's happening isn't happening. And you are playing both sides, as though you don't see what is happening.
"$180 isn't that much below $190." Ignoring current sales below $180, ignoring past sales above $190, and ignoring your own admitted desire to lock in future sales at $150.
Now, argue with me about the direction of these. Right now. Today. Quote me $180 while committing to selling in the future at $150. Feel free.
I never argued about direction. The direction of 99% of all Mint products is down. I think I've been very clear about that for decades.
I don't know what your disagreement is with jwitten, but I'm not sure why I got dragged into it.
I've already told you that the $180 and $190 numbers were averages, not "ignoring" anything. And I didn't claime a "desire to lock in future sales at $150". I mentioned that I had a dealer lock in a sale at $150 which is actually equivalent to an eBay sale of $175 after eBay fees and shipping. The fact that a dealer is locking in sales at $150 is actually a "bullish" indicator and indicates the Exchange numbers are not lower than that.
You and I are totally fine. @jwitten just came out of nowhere, earlier in this thread, of all places, to ask me "So what’s your timeline for when the uncirculated sets start to tank?"
Giving me a hard time, because I said they would eventually tank when 300K were to be made at $124.50, and as though that has not yet begun. I only dragged you in because I thought you'd have something to say that would be supportive, given that you made no secret about ordering a lot, and now having second thoughts given that they have not yet shipped and the prices are already sliding. That's all.
Fair enough. We AGREE
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@D808LF said:
Still, two weeks later, "Subscription Processing"; cc data is current. What The Franklin?
You need to call them as there is almost 100% chance of a cc issue
I should have heeded your advice yesterday. To call the Mint was on my To Do list but didn't get to it. Today I log on only to see my Subscription Cancelled. It was a cc issue which was puzzling because I had no problems with the recent Morgan & Peace RP purchases. Oh well. I'm on a wait list.
@D808LF said:
Still, two weeks later, "Subscription Processing"; cc data is current. What The Franklin?
You need to call them as there is almost 100% chance of a cc issue
I should have heeded your advice yesterday. To call the Mint was on my To Do list but didn't get to it. Today I log on only to see my Subscription Cancelled. It was a cc issue which was puzzling because I had no problems with the recent Morgan & Peace RP purchases. Oh well. I'm on a wait list.
Just a wild azz guess - but was it a Chase card?
Chase has put fraud holds on some of my purchases from the Mint this year...and I've lost out because of it (when timing matters on hot issues).
I've since switched to either Citi or Amex for my Mint purchases and have had no problems since.
Chase is weird lately - if you try and tell them that you have upcoming foreign travel - they say, don't worry about it - we don't care anymore - you don't have to tell us. Then you get overseas and your card is declined!
When I first saw the coin that the mint shipped to me (on subscription) the coin appeared to be a reverse proof! I confirmed from the packaging that it was indeed an "Enhanced Uncirculated" American Silver Eagle and not simply the Uncirculated version of the ASE as issued from 2006 to 2025. This is a whole different coin. Makes me wonder if the "Enhanced" Uncirculated ASE will continue in 2027, or will the Mint go back to the former Uncirculated version. I did not like the price, but it's a nice coin.
@panpac said:
When I first saw the coin that the mint shipped to me (on subscription) the coin appeared to be a reverse proof! I confirmed from the packaging that it was indeed an "Enhanced Uncirculated" American Silver Eagle and not simply the Uncirculated version of the ASE as issued from 2006 to 2025. This is a whole different coin. Makes me wonder if the "Enhanced" Uncirculated ASE will continue in 2027, or will the Mint go back to the former Uncirculated version. I did not like the price, but it's a nice coin.
I thought it was an RP as well. Very different from the prior enhanced. I was expecting it look like the prior one.
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So, okay, "still strong and still sold out."
I'm trying to broker a deal here. @jmlanzaf has a few hundred coming, and is a seller at $150. How many do you want? None? I thought so.
There were a few sales on the 19th that were $10 higher than they are now, but there were also some sales lower than what they are now. Overall it’s about the same the best I can tell.
I was HONEST about this issue, examining both sides of the trade. That is not "talking out of both sides of your mouth". It is considering the entire picture, doing research, and being reasonable.
For the reasons I've stated: If I could have gotten immediate delivery 2 weeks ago, I would have bought 1000. Since I had to wait 5 weeks, I only bought 220 of them, with some hesitation. Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons.
Your response continues to do a disservice to your own reputation.
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My tracking has the average dropping about $10 from the release, but it's still in the ballpark. I generally agree with you. (And your much easier to talk to than NJ.) I'm more concerned about 3 weeks from now, but that's just reasonable caution in my book.
It's only $28,000 and I certainly wouldn't lose more than a tiny fraction of that if they dropped more. They aren't going to drop $50 in 3 weeks. So, I'll likely roll the dice
I should know better than to be transparent here. I should try just gaslighting everything. [I'm not referring to you. You have been a pleasure. ]
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No. Because I'm agreeing with you. No one is talking about what you would have done 2 weeks ago.
We are talking about now, with delivery in the future. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth when conflating what was with what will be.
For some reason, @jwitten came out of nowhere, on an unrelated thread, for giving me a hard time for predicting when these came out that the price would eventually tank. As it has been. Argue about the degree. Argue about the timing. But it is happening. "Simple, clearly enunciated facts with the supporting reasons."
Again, if I am incorrect, and past equals prologue, I think I found a buyer for you at $150. @jwitten? Paging @jwitten.
If not, I think we all on the same page, but you two want to parse my words to find something to criticize.
I pointed to you because you are the guy with the standing orders who has been public about your doubts. For some reason, @jwitten wanted to take a victory lap on my head as though what's happening isn't happening. And you are playing both sides, as though you don't see what is happening.
"$180 isn't that much below $190." Ignoring current sales below $180, ignoring past sales above $190, and ignoring your own admitted desire to lock in future sales at $150.
Now, argue with me about the direction of these. Right now. Today. Quote me $180 while committing to selling in the future at $150. Feel free.
I never argued about direction. The direction of 99% of all Mint products is down. I think I've been very clear about that for decades.
I don't know what your disagreement is with jwitten, but I'm not sure why I got dragged into it.
I've already told you that the $180 and $190 numbers were averages, not "ignoring" anything. And I didn't claime a "desire to lock in future sales at $150". I mentioned that I had a dealer lock in a sale at $150 which is actually equivalent to an eBay sale of $175 after eBay fees and shipping. The fact that a dealer is locking in sales at $150 is actually a "bullish" indicator and indicates the Exchange numbers are not lower than that.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
You and I are totally fine. @jwitten just came out of nowhere, earlier in this thread, of all places, to ask me "So what’s your timeline for when the uncirculated sets start to tank?"
Giving me a hard time, because I said they would eventually tank when 300K were to be made at $124.50, and as though that has not yet begun. I only dragged you in because I thought you'd have something to say that would be supportive, given that you made no secret about ordering a lot, and now having second thoughts given that they have not yet shipped and the prices are already sliding. That's all.
Fair enough. We AGREE
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
I should have heeded your advice yesterday.
To call the Mint was on my To Do list but didn't get to it. Today I log on only to see my Subscription Cancelled. It was a cc issue which was puzzling because I had no problems with the recent Morgan & Peace RP purchases. Oh well. I'm on a wait list.
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
Just a wild azz guess - but was it a Chase card?
Chase has put fraud holds on some of my purchases from the Mint this year...and I've lost out because of it (when timing matters on hot issues).
I've since switched to either Citi or Amex for my Mint purchases and have had no problems since.
Chase is weird lately - if you try and tell them that you have upcoming foreign travel - they say, don't worry about it - we don't care anymore - you don't have to tell us. Then you get overseas and your card is declined!
BST references available on request
When I first saw the coin that the mint shipped to me (on subscription) the coin appeared to be a reverse proof! I confirmed from the packaging that it was indeed an "Enhanced Uncirculated" American Silver Eagle and not simply the Uncirculated version of the ASE as issued from 2006 to 2025. This is a whole different coin. Makes me wonder if the "Enhanced" Uncirculated ASE will continue in 2027, or will the Mint go back to the former Uncirculated version. I did not like the price, but it's a nice coin.
I thought it was an RP as well. Very different from the prior enhanced. I was expecting it look like the prior one.