GTG: 76-CC Trade Dollar (Grade Posted)
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My grade would be AU-58. The obverse is very poorly stuck, especially in the area of Ms. Liberty's head. I see enough lines and friction to lead me to say "Not Unc.," but I amagine the slab grade is MS-61.
I saw it so I won’t publish a guess. With that said, if the coin were offered raw, I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole because I have never seen a strike like that on any CC date. In fact, there was just a 75P with what looked like a chopmark and a similar strike that I avoided.
AU58 or MS61. If you pinned me down, I would lean toward MS.
It's definitely Unc in my eyes, bag marked and pancake strike. MS-61.
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As is often the case, you strike to the heart of the matter. I have also never seen a CC with a strike like this which is why it stood out to me.
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The reverse is worse than the obverse.. Looks like the right claw was filed away
AU-58
I have no idea what PCGS graded it, they are all over the place on Trade Dollars, but I would grade it MS-60. With negative eye appeal.
I think I saw the 75-P chopmarked that TDN refers to, and I also avoided it for that reason.
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I’ll guess AU58.
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The coin is graded MS62. Given the scarcity of the date and the quality of the strike, this is pretty shocking to me (PCGS and NGC combined have only graded 26 finer).
I was amazed when I saw the lack of detail on obverse and reverse. Striking issues like these are common for some of the Philadelphia issues, particularly 77-P and, to a lesser extent, 74-P.
There appear to be moderately heavy die polish lines going across much of the upper obverse and parts of the reverse. However, I wonder if maybe the was partially grease filled or something else going on besides just details polished off? Any thoughts @FredWeinberg ?
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/34890226
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I do not believe that the details were polished off. I believe that the die was cocked.
I've never heard that term before. So just the die was off level a little bit?
I would think that would mean that some portion of the coin should be strongly struck because the dies are a little too far apart on one part of the coin but closer on the other part of the coin because they're not level. But there is weakness more or less all over the coin.
Am I understanding the term correctly?
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ErrorRef.com has a vertical misaligned die. However, this error shows the edge/rim to also be weakly struck. This due to the greatest gap from the vertical misalignment being at the rim. ErrorRef links to maddieclashes.
https://www.error-ref.com/part-vi-striking-errors/
http://www.maddieclashes.com/vertical-misaligned-die-error-tilted-die-error/
Checking through ErrorRef.com it could be some type of Weak Strike where they note something breaking on the strike. Link:
https://www.error-ref.com/weak_strikesinsufficientrampressure/
A blow up of the reverse and obverse shows what appears to be planchet roller lines. Note how the lines on the reverse when flipped vertically would be parallel to the lines on the obverse. This from lines not being struck out.
A die polish typically should remove the shallow area of the device(s) and edges of. This is soft in the depths of the devices.
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Somehow missed this thread. Quickly scrolled to the bottom to respond without cheating, my guess is 58.
Edit: 62 makes sense, I don’t hate it. The coin itself has no wear. Super interesting!
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I think it is a strike issue as well maybe an improperly annealed planchet and I would have guessed 61, that said I think it is charming as such. Weak strike are more appealing to me than normal strike. I find very strong or very weak to be equally interesting, everything in between I could care less. Peoples full band, bell lines, heads do nothing for me
I have seen similar weak reverses specifically on 76cc 1/2s but rarely if ever on the corresponding Obv side l
Iike that. Plenty of 77p though where the stars are almost gone
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The 1877 coins were the result of die spacing. They minted a TON of coins that year and spaced the dies wider to preserve the dies longer. This coin is not the same. I’ve seen a gem 1874 with an accentuated die spacing issue - but this coin is weaker on one side. It was spaced and cocked.
I know essentially nothing about this subject, but would have guessed the planchet was defective and thinner on one side.
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i'm so late to the party the janitor has allready swept up but do you like this coin @lermish ? I have never seen a trade dollar with such a distorted appearance. It does have the virtue of having a great deal of mint luster but the upper front l;eft quarter is almost vacant of detail. I guess I would have guessed MS something but would have to think this strike would count as negative eye appeal. Not trying to diss your coin ; perhaps it fits with your collection in some way. james
It's not my coin and I am not eager to criticize someone else's coin either, just wanted to better understand the grade and the potential cause of the strike issue. I like @DDR 's grade of MS60 as the coin is not circulated but should be heavily punished for the strike IMO.
I would consider adding it as a curiosity, like a mint error, for maybe a few thousand dollars. Except since it's a much better date and the grade on the holder is MS62 the CPG price is $11k...and the seller is asking more than that.
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