Grade this Raw, now In Hand, 1807 Half Dollar - Not My Series

7Jaguars

I just got this at auction but haven’t yet taken delivery:

seatedlib3991

Not my series either but I own a VF-30 coin with similar details. James

braddick

Is that a divot in the middle of the obverse?
Otherwise, a potential XF40 yet like seatedlib3991 states, probably a strong VF30.

pcgsregistrycollector

VF-35

7Jaguars

I will post an in-hand picture when it arrives, but I don't think so. I don't have any draped bust ANYTHiNG but the price was hard to resist in a foreign auction - occ. have made out like a bandit, but will wait and see. I liked the toning & perimeter strike looked fairly good with no cleaning and none of that "second wear" pattern that I see on these coins - where it appears that they were used in circulation, set aside and then re-entered circulation with what looks to be an unattractive second bout of circulation...

Davidk7

VF30

Victa

Looks VF-30 to me too. I believe it's an Overton 108 with weak hair details and prominent centering dot.

johnny9434

Vf 35, I like

7Jaguars

Thanks all, and I had a bit of guess in that range but really will like to see it in person. Previously I had gotten from the same source a really great 1872 S half now in PCGS 63.....I was hoping for a 35 or so but will grade at hosts if I get in time for B-more.

marcmoish

VF30, and also like!

7Jaguars

I had seen coins like this slabbed as “30” and wouldn’t have bid. This is that double circulated effect that I was talking about.

BillJones

The technical grade is EF, but it’s poorly struck in the center on both sides, which is not unusual for this date. Getting someone to pay EF money would hard. I would say VF-35.

Cougar1978

VF. But Looks cleaned. Doesn’t look original to me. Why not is it in a TPG holder?

291fifth

VF30, probably burnished at some point in its long life.

Silverstacker

That first 1807 is not a bad coin at all. I'd be tempted if the price was right. Nice toning and a nice strike overall despite its flaws. Hard to give opinions without a price but I understand not wanting to say.

COCollector

@Victa said:
Looks VF-30 to me too. I believe it's an Overton 108 with weak hair details and prominent centering dot.

I'm leaning to the similar O-110 -- mostly because of Obverse center dot.

Apparent lack of characteristic die cracks and lack of long sharp points on stars argues in favor of O-108. So, I might be mistaken about O-110.

7Jaguars

The OP coin is mine and was bought in a UK auction, the other I don't know about.

Victa

@COCollector said:

@Victa said:
Looks VF-30 to me too. I believe it's an Overton 108 with weak hair details and prominent centering dot.

I'm leaning to the similar O-110 -- mostly because of Obverse center dot.

Apparent lack of characteristic die cracks and lack of long sharp points on stars argues in favor of O-108. So, I might be mistaken about O-110.

The O.108 obverse die can be differentiated from O.110 by the seventh star. On O.108, Star 7 points to L well above base, higher than any other Bust Right 1807.

jacrispies

Looks like a pleasing and original XF-40.

coinkat

The grade will hinge on the quality of the surfaces. And that can best be determined in hand once the coin arrives. Best of luck.

Morgan White

35

lkenefic

For Comparison... here's a VF30:

7Jaguars

Thanks, and that is the type of look that I was referring to - and don't care for at all - and seems common for many draped bust silver coins in particular.

CommemDude

I think PCGS would call the coin VF35, it's EF details as BillJones mentioned, but the coin appears cleaned and will likely be straight graded VF. No cac, JA is really strict about "circulation dirt" that's been removed from the fields with cleaning. What you call a double circulated coin is one that has likely had the high points wiped clean of dirt with a cloth, which bothers JA more than it bothers the grading companies I guess
This is what you dislike, the coin is lustrous, has breast feathers intact and looks AU to me, but the wipe that removed some of the darker toned areas is probably why PCGS gave it and EF45 grade, and JA said, no bean for you!

coinkat

One needs to see the 1795 in hand to reach their own conclusions.

Crypto

NGC 40
Cac 30
Pcgs 35

PeakRarities

These overseas auction photos are often harsh lighting, I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt at 40 but instinct was 35.

BigAl

30

Walkerfan

30

VanHalen

I agree with VF35.

7Jaguars

Well I am still hoping for a 35/40 but will as Peak said see how it is on delivery. Nor understanding the cleaning comment on the OP coin.

7Jaguars

In hand photos, decent :