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GTG: 1902-S Half Eagle

VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 27, 2025 11:09PM in U.S. Coin Forum

This is an interesting piece in a problem-free CACG holder. Take a guess and/or comment. I'll reveal the grade on Saturday. Thank you.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,508 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great looking coin with neat toning. MS64 give or take a couple of points.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Great looking coin with neat toning. MS64 give or take a couple of points.

    Put me in the “MS64 take a couple of points away” camp. It looks like an MS62 to me.

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  • pcgs69pcgs69 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭✭

    My initial thought was 63

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the toning is covering up a lot of hairlines, and I also see some minor rim marks. At most, MS-63.

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the 62 camp as the neck has a couple of "saw marks" and the field in front of chin/neck with a couple of "rub-dubs". Reverse with a col of hits in the toning, etc.

    Love those S minted coins! I often wonder what it was like in Frisco in those days & suspect much of California still had flavor of the Old West. Or the Barbary Coast section of said town? Yikes.

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  • JerseyBJerseyB Posts: 138 ✭✭✭

    I think 62 because it's in a CAC holder.

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,928 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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  • REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63, but possibly 58.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They posted this coin on their Instagram earlier this week so I won't guess. Great looking coin though.

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,218 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t know and don’t care what it grades. I love it. Would look perfect in my toned gold collection! Beautiful

  • ColoradoCoinGuyColoradoCoinGuy Posts: 227 ✭✭✭

    MS62 sounds right but I’ll say MS61+ to be different.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2025 7:38AM

    62 - dark areas drag it down. Or is this a trick thread and it’s really a 61 or 58? I believe as time goes on it may get darker. Left obv field some rough sledding too. You know a lot of people like toners bc it covers up hairlines? This piece a good example. Look how the darkish tarnish near the date helps cover up some hairlines. Then reverse a big gouge near the S with the tarnish helping subdue.

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  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2025 11:16PM

    58, cheek/nose/eyebrow are rubby. If not for the rub I would still be no higher than a 61, the fields are pretty rough.

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rexford said:
    58, cheek/nose/eyebrow are rubby. If not for the rub I would still be no higher than a 61, the fields are pretty rough.

    We have a winner. REALGATOR also said possibly 58 and the 58s have it. Really cool toning on this piece and conservatively graded at CACG as an AU58.

  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A hard grade for me to understand. If the coin is not uncirculated, then all the noise would make me think 55.

    Before the reveal, I was going to guess 62. I thought it looked uncirculated but too banged up for anything higher than 62.

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  • JonBrand83JonBrand83 Posts: 489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I saw this on your IG the other day. Totally looks like low MS. Surprised they kept it down despite the hits. Might be that those S coins are always so shiny! But this seems to have MS luster.

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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JonBrand83 said:
    I think I saw this on your IG the other day. Totally looks like low MS. Surprised they kept it down despite the hits. Might be that those S coins are always so shiny! But this seems to have MS luster.

    Certainly looks like a slider that would often land in a 62/63 holder. CACG is always conservative.

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,289 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Late, my guess would have been 62, what a cool looking 58!

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,508 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any wear on that coin appears to be microscopic and there's a good chance that it would have received a higher MS grade from PCGS or NGC.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The photos deemphasized a lot of issues on this coin. That made it harder to grade.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @VanHalen said:

    @JonBrand83 said:
    I think I saw this on your IG the other day. Totally looks like low MS. Surprised they kept it down despite the hits. Might be that those S coins are always so shiny! But this seems to have MS luster.

    Certainly looks like a slider that would often land in a 62/63 holder. CACG is always conservative.

    CACG is often conservative but far from “always” so.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 30, 2025 2:46PM

    @MFeld said:

    @VanHalen said:

    @JonBrand83 said:
    I think I saw this on your IG the other day. Totally looks like low MS. Surprised they kept it down despite the hits. Might be that those S coins are always so shiny! But this seems to have MS luster.

    Certainly looks like a slider that would often land in a 62/63 holder. CACG is always conservative.

    CACG is often conservative but far from “always” so.

    Good point. I should have said usually.

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