@jfriedm56 said:
You know what “They” say about a xxxx and his money. Almost 600,000,000 minted, and $70. for 4 rolls? No way!
Not to be argumentative with you personally, truly.
I've always thought it was funny how ingrained the idea of "value" is in the coin hobby. People spend $8 on a cup of coffee every morning - no big deal. People with hobbies like golf spend $90 on greens fees - enjoy the day. People spend thousands visiting tourist traps like Disney World - everyone wishes them the best.
Spend $100 on coins because you enjoy them - half the hobby loses their minds.
While I might agree with the basic sentiment, that's a flawed comparison. The issue isn't the collecting of 2025 cents, it's the price paid. If someone offered you identical green's fees for $90 and $900, would you defend paying the $900?
So, your argument is: He's having fun wrong.
Lol. No. I dont care what he does. But spending $17.50 per roll when you can get them for 50 cents per roll isn't necessary to have fun. The only complaint anyone has registered INCLUDING THE OP (with regard to the proofs) is that people are overpaying because of the hype.
Actually, you must care and that's why you are posting about it. I applaud you for trying to protect people from themselves. I gave you a "like." I wish you had a bigger platform to preach from so you could reach more collectors.
Thanks. But, no, I really don't care how anyone spends their money. But I think we all know that anyone buying into the hype will overpay. And this might be a new record. When people were hot for W quarters because "there were only 2 million" out was one thing. When people were hot for the Mirgan dollars because there were only 250k, it was another. But we've reached a brand new level where we are hot for a coin because there's ONLY A BILLION!!!
Wrong. There are 595 million.
Lol... and still minting...
Not since Feb 10th. Hence all the hullabaloo.
Actually, that's unclear. The Executive order was issued then but the mintage jumped significantly in February. Hard to imagine they minted more cents in 10 days than in all of January.
The Mint has to mint the cents if customers order them, regardless of the EO.
And one way or the other, there's still MORE THAN HALF A BILLION OF THEM!!
Minted and delivered are two different things. They're monetized (counted) when delivered.
Statement it bold is 100% wrong.
I disagree. The Mint has to supply coins for commerce. They must fill orders. The only way that statement is "more than 0% wrong" is of the Mint has a giant inventory of cents in inventory already. And if they do have a giant inventory, why are they striking cents already?
The Mint supplies coin for commerce based on what the Federal Reserve orders. Random banks don't order cents from the Mint, only the Fed does that. The Mint isn't required to fulfill Fed orders and the Fed confirmed that their orders are at the discretion of the Treasury (Mint). So, any "requirement" to deliver cents just because the Fed places and order, is 100% wrong.
I never said "random banks".
Hmmm...i need to find the legislation. If the Mint had a legal obligation to provide "sufficient" coins for commerce, how could they also have the right to refuse to make/distribute them?
@jfriedm56 said:
You know what “They” say about a xxxx and his money. Almost 600,000,000 minted, and $70. for 4 rolls? No way!
Not to be argumentative with you personally, truly.
I've always thought it was funny how ingrained the idea of "value" is in the coin hobby. People spend $8 on a cup of coffee every morning - no big deal. People with hobbies like golf spend $90 on greens fees - enjoy the day. People spend thousands visiting tourist traps like Disney World - everyone wishes them the best.
Spend $100 on coins because you enjoy them - half the hobby loses their minds.
While I might agree with the basic sentiment, that's a flawed comparison. The issue isn't the collecting of 2025 cents, it's the price paid. If someone offered you identical green's fees for $90 and $900, would you defend paying the $900?
So, your argument is: He's having fun wrong.
Lol. No. I dont care what he does. But spending $17.50 per roll when you can get them for 50 cents per roll isn't necessary to have fun. The only complaint anyone has registered INCLUDING THE OP (with regard to the proofs) is that people are overpaying because of the hype.
Actually, you must care and that's why you are posting about it. I applaud you for trying to protect people from themselves. I gave you a "like." I wish you had a bigger platform to preach from so you could reach more collectors.
Thanks. But, no, I really don't care how anyone spends their money. But I think we all know that anyone buying into the hype will overpay. And this might be a new record. When people were hot for W quarters because "there were only 2 million" out was one thing. When people were hot for the Mirgan dollars because there were only 250k, it was another. But we've reached a brand new level where we are hot for a coin because there's ONLY A BILLION!!!
Wrong. There are 595 million.
Lol... and still minting...
Not since Feb 10th. Hence all the hullabaloo.
Actually, that's unclear. The Executive order was issued then but the mintage jumped significantly in February. Hard to imagine they minted more cents in 10 days than in all of January.
The Mint has to mint the cents if customers order them, regardless of the EO.
And one way or the other, there's still MORE THAN HALF A BILLION OF THEM!!
Minted and delivered are two different things. They're monetized (counted) when delivered.
Statement it bold is 100% wrong.
I disagree. The Mint has to supply coins for commerce. They must fill orders. The only way that statement is "more than 0% wrong" is of the Mint has a giant inventory of cents in inventory already. And if they do have a giant inventory, why are they striking cents already?
The Mint supplies coin for commerce based on what the Federal Reserve orders. Random banks don't order cents from the Mint, only the Fed does that. The Mint isn't required to fulfill Fed orders and the Fed confirmed that their orders are at the discretion of the Treasury (Mint). So, any "requirement" to deliver cents just because the Fed places and order, is 100% wrong.
I never said "random banks".
Hmmm...i need to find the legislation. If the Mint had a legal obligation to provide "sufficient" coins for commerce, how could they also have the right to refuse to make/distribute them?
@Goldbully said:
Could it be there are more folks out there dumber than moi?
78 of these sold. I doubt the '5' in 2025 is quite that red in hand. 😂
Some people don't know you can buy them directly from the US Mint
I received 4 of the proof sets in the mail Saturday. The cost was $40.25 per set. I plan to break out the cent in 1 or 2 sets and send the cent to CACG.
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I’m saving all the ones I get in change from the convenience store one block from my house, which I go to almost every day. Not just the 2025’s, and not just the uncirculated ones. The owner almost always has fresh uncirculated ones he gets from the bank, but others pay with cents that aren’t uncirculated and those go into the till and end up in my change. I’m also picking up the ones people throw on the sidewalk and in the street in front of the stores, some nice road rash fake errors from the ones in the street. Amazing how many people throw them on the ground like that. It’s a fun way for me to collect moderns 🌝
@Goldbully said:
The year is 2025 and the Lincoln cent will stop production.
As collectors, we have witnessed and enjoyed the end of a Mint design within a denomination for a couple centuries.
What we haven't experienced is the finality of a 232 year coin denomination.
That alone makes the 2025 1¢ a coin collector's dream, no matter the level of expertise.
Thoughts?
Not sure I'd call them a collector's dream but I see your point. MS pieces that grade over 68 at a major TPG should bring some bucks. It would be interesting to see what a 2025 1c in PCGS MS70RD would do at a major auction house.
@jfriedm56 said:
You know what “They” say about a xxxx and his money. Almost 600,000,000 minted, and $70. for 4 rolls? No way!
Not to be argumentative with you personally, truly.
I've always thought it was funny how ingrained the idea of "value" is in the coin hobby. People spend $8 on a cup of coffee every morning - no big deal. People with hobbies like golf spend $90 on greens fees - enjoy the day. People spend thousands visiting tourist traps like Disney World - everyone wishes them the best.
Spend $100 on coins because you enjoy them - half the hobby loses their minds.
While I might agree with the basic sentiment, that's a flawed comparison. The issue isn't the collecting of 2025 cents, it's the price paid. If someone offered you identical green's fees for $90 and $900, would you defend paying the $900?
No fair, I guess he could answer your hypothetical question if you told him how rich he is. Perhaps this is a better example, does one BU Trade dollar bring as much enjoyment as five hundred OVERPRICED BU maverick tokens?
That's a clearly worse example. You've turned it into two different items rather than the same item at two different prices. You can get rolls at the bank for 50 cents or pay $17.50 per roll on eBay... for the SAME roll.
If anyone wants to lock in with me at $10 per roll (shipping included) I'll start hitting the banks.
Would your time be only worth that amount? Running down the rolls,travel time,expense to operate your car,packing, shipping, etc.?
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U.S. Mint Produces 581.6 Million Coins for Circulation in February
By
Mike Unser -
March 14, 2025
U.S. coin production slowed in February after reaching a three-month high in January, according to newly released United States Mint manufacturing data. Output remained below 1 billion coins for the 18th consecutive month, following a previous streak of eight months above that level.
The U.S. Mint struck 581.61 million coins for circulating in February – including cents, nickels, dimes, quarters, and half dollars – reflecting declines of 8.2% from January and 9.8% from February 2024.
Here’s how January’s production compares to previous months over the past year:
The U.S. Mint’s primary mission is to manufacture coins in response to public demand. It produces, sells, and delivers circulating coins to Federal Reserve Banks and their coin terminals, ensuring commercial banks and other financial institutions have the necessary supply.
Despite costing the Mint 3.69 cents to produce and distribute each penny, the Federal Reserve consistently orders more of them than any other denomination. In February, the Mint struck 353 million Lincoln cents, accounting for 60.7% of all circulating-quality coins produced for the month.
@Goldbully said: Despite costing the Mint 3.69 cents to produce and distribute each penny, the Federal Reserve consistently orders more of them than any other denomination. In February, the Mint struck 353 million Lincoln cents, accounting for 60.7% of all circulating-quality coins produced for the month.
I find it amusing that people complain about government waste yet support the continued production of something that has lost millions of their tax dollars annually, for decades.
Not buying, not hoarding, not caring. Once the hype or hysteria and greed dies down, then it will be time to get my annual graded proof Lincoln Cent. In the meantime, I have 75 or more of them to look at covering 1950 through 2024, including the LD&SD 1960 and 1970, and the types 1 and 2 for 1979 and 1981.
I don't condider collecting the
2025 cents as hoarding. Did coin collectors condider the 2017P cent as a coin to hoard or as a cent that had a P mm that would never be used again on a cent. What about the West Point Quarters of 2019 & 2020 that are still being collected. Collecting and hoarding are two states of mind. I'm a collector and let others collect what and how many of something they decide to collect. If all you want to collect is just 1 of something, then I hope you enjoy your hobby too..
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I' ve gone through 12 boxes from the Credit Union in the last 6 weeks and haven't found a single 2025 cenr. On the plus side I found a 1893 IHC - maybe a G4 at best. I live in west TN and wonder where these are being found other than the Denver and Philly areas?
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@JWP said:
I' ve gone through 12 boxes from the Credit Union in the last 6 weeks and haven't found a single 2025 cenr. On the plus side I found a 1893 IHC - maybe a G4 at best. I live in west TN and wonder where these are being found other than the Denver and Philly areas?
the frb branches buy at face the coins based on needs. they will go where the demand is
The mint can likely keep the Lincoln’s going if they so desire, like Kennedy half. There will still be millions made each year sold at premium. That being said, the “last” promotional cents for circulation will be offered in 2026. When we find out they are actually worth anything is when counterfeit ones start showing up.
The true view is worse than my photos from my cell phone. However, these proof cents could be rather hard to get a good picture. I just cent in a 2024S & 2025 S proof cents to CACG, Hope I get good results too.
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Planchet supply is enough to keep the cent in production
By Paul Gilkes , Coin World
Published: Apr 9, 2025, 5 PM
The Philadelphia and Denver Mints combined for 2025 have produced 595.4 million Lincoln cents, roughly a third of the number minted in 2024. Illustrated is a Philadelphia cent. Images courtesy of the United States Mint.
The United States Mint is strategically planning to execute efforts at the Philadelphia and Denver Mints to cut back the output of Lincoln cents for general release through the Federal Reserve.
The Federal Reserve remains the U.S. Mint’s lone customer for copper-plated zinc cents, whose production costs more than their face value.
Weeks ago, President Trump announced his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) measure to eliminate Lincoln cent production altogether, an authority the president does not have. Monetary authority, codified in law, rests with Congress.
Legislation introduced in the 119th Congress would specifically limit production of the Lincoln cent, a coin that has been struck for nearly 116 years since its introduction in 1909.
The inventory of unstruck ready-to-strike cent planchets combined at the Denver and Philadelphia Mints is considered by the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Mint enough to handle production needs for the near future as the mintages wind down, with no more planchets ordered from the lone outside vendor.
The unstruck planchets are also sufficient for striking Uncirculated Lincolns cents at the Philadelphia and Denver Mints for inclusion in 2025 Uncirculated Mint sets and for Proof sets executed at the San Francisco Mint.
The ready-to-strike planchets with raised rims have been produced for decades by the same contracted outside vendor in Tennessee. The vendor has undergone several name changes — Alltrista Corp. in Greeneville, Jarden Zinc Products at the same location in Greeneville, and now Artazn LLC, as a subsidiary of One Rock Capital in Tusculum, Tennessee.
Newspapers in the region have published concerns that, should the U.S. Mint completely sever any contracts for planchets, the move could financially cripple Artazn LLC.
Circulation production
So far for 2025, through April 1, the Denver Mint has produced 295.4 million Lincoln cents dated 2025 for circulation, with the Philadelphia Mint’s share 350 million cents.
In calendar year 2024, Denver struck 780.4 million cents, and Philadelphia struck 734.8 million cents. For 2023, 2,260,800,000 cents were struck at Denver and 2,262,000,000 cents at Philadelphia.
Cent production and distribution costs have exceeded face value for several years.
Per coin costs published in the Annual Report of the Mint for Fiscal Year 2024 put total production and related costs at 3.69 cents; in 2023 the total cost per coin was 3.07 cents, and in 2022, it was 2.72 cents.
During the past decade of research and development for a cost-saving alternative composition for the Lincoln cent, no options identified to lower cost would bring the per coin costs below face value.
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I never said "random banks".
Hmmm...i need to find the legislation. If the Mint had a legal obligation to provide "sufficient" coins for commerce, how could they also have the right to refuse to make/distribute them?
Do you have the reference?
Grok it.
Could it be there are more folks out there dumber than moi?
78 of these sold. I doubt the '5' in 2025 is quite that red in hand. 😂
Linky
Some people don't know you can buy them directly from the US Mint
I received 4 of the proof sets in the mail Saturday. The cost was $40.25 per set. I plan to break out the cent in 1 or 2 sets and send the cent to CACG.
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there are some posters that i'm going to charge a toll to post on my threads
I’m saving all the ones I get in change from the convenience store one block from my house, which I go to almost every day. Not just the 2025’s, and not just the uncirculated ones. The owner almost always has fresh uncirculated ones he gets from the bank, but others pay with cents that aren’t uncirculated and those go into the till and end up in my change. I’m also picking up the ones people throw on the sidewalk and in the street in front of the stores, some nice road rash fake errors from the ones in the street. Amazing how many people throw them on the ground like that. It’s a fun way for me to collect moderns 🌝
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The year is 2025 and the Lincoln cent will stop production.
As collectors, we have witnessed and enjoyed the end of a Mint design within a denomination for a couple centuries.
What we haven't experienced is the finality of a 232 year coin denomination.
That alone makes the 2025 1¢ a coin collector's dream, no matter the level of expertise.
Thoughts?
Not sure I'd call them a collector's dream but I see your point. MS pieces that grade over 68 at a major TPG should bring some bucks. It would be interesting to see what a 2025 1c in PCGS MS70RD would do at a major auction house.
Would your time be only worth that amount? Running down the rolls,travel time,expense to operate your car,packing, shipping, etc.?
$12.98/Roll Delivered Here
edited to add: 2 available, 5 sold.
Got my 2 rolls of 2025-D's.
eBay seller was honest!! 😉
the sight of red cents = the smell of paper off the mimeograph
2025 Images posted today at the Mint.
Is it me, or are these images AI influenced?
Unc P Mint Obverse
Unc D Mint Obverse
Unc Reverse
Proof S Obverse
Proof S Reverse
if only the uncirc would really look lik that
if only the proof "frost(can we still use the term?)" didn't look like that
U.S. Mint Produces 581.6 Million Coins for Circulation in February
By
Mike Unser -
March 14, 2025
U.S. coin production slowed in February after reaching a three-month high in January, according to newly released United States Mint manufacturing data. Output remained below 1 billion coins for the 18th consecutive month, following a previous streak of eight months above that level.
The U.S. Mint struck 581.61 million coins for circulating in February – including cents, nickels, dimes, quarters, and half dollars – reflecting declines of 8.2% from January and 9.8% from February 2024.
Here’s how January’s production compares to previous months over the past year:
The U.S. Mint’s primary mission is to manufacture coins in response to public demand. It produces, sells, and delivers circulating coins to Federal Reserve Banks and their coin terminals, ensuring commercial banks and other financial institutions have the necessary supply.
Despite costing the Mint 3.69 cents to produce and distribute each penny, the Federal Reserve consistently orders more of them than any other denomination. In February, the Mint struck 353 million Lincoln cents, accounting for 60.7% of all circulating-quality coins produced for the month.
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that's a lot of car seats and couches
If they stop making cents would half the mint employees lose their jobs?
I find it amusing that people complain about government waste yet support the continued production of something that has lost millions of their tax dollars annually, for decades.
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@Goldbully Is that 353 million mintage on top of the 595,400,000 total for the cents? Or is the Febuary mintage included in the 595.4m?
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Not buying, not hoarding, not caring. Once the hype or hysteria and greed dies down, then it will be time to get my annual graded proof Lincoln Cent. In the meantime, I have 75 or more of them to look at covering 1950 through 2024, including the LD&SD 1960 and 1970, and the types 1 and 2 for 1979 and 1981.
I don't condider collecting the
2025 cents as hoarding. Did coin collectors condider the 2017P cent as a coin to hoard or as a cent that had a P mm that would never be used again on a cent. What about the West Point Quarters of 2019 & 2020 that are still being collected. Collecting and hoarding are two states of mind. I'm a collector and let others collect what and how many of something they decide to collect. If all you want to collect is just 1 of something, then I hope you enjoy your hobby too..
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As far as I can tell, the 595.4 mil is circulated P&D's only.
The 'S' Mint proofs are in addition to that number.
Anyone know otherwise?
245,400,000 denver this year
/ 2,500 per box
98,160 boxes
Interesting. Where can this info be found on the internet. Thanks, Jon
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https://www.usmint.gov/about/production-sales-figures/circulating-coins-production - circulating coins from the list box and 2025 from the year listbox
@MsMorrisinerissine Thanks for the link. Jon
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Well it finally happened.
I got two 2025-P cents in my change at McDonald's today.
Sure is cheaper than eBay! 😅
Let the flood gates open!!
I' ve gone through 12 boxes from the Credit Union in the last 6 weeks and haven't found a single 2025 cenr. On the plus side I found a 1893 IHC - maybe a G4 at best. I live in west TN and wonder where these are being found other than the Denver and Philly areas?
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PQ - looks like little to no spotting. can you confirm?
the frb branches buy at face the coins based on needs. they will go where the demand is
Very little spotting, have to look hard.
Some light spotting on the first and third images.
Looks like 'milk spots' on the reverse?
Send me 1. You really don't need 2.
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WOW. Under 100,000 boxes so far, those are destined to be the next 1895 business strike Morgans!
that one looks like it will grade out high. put it in a cardboard 2x2
acetone it first
PM your address and I'll send you the one on the left.
The mint can likely keep the Lincoln’s going if they so desire, like Kennedy half. There will still be millions made each year sold at premium. That being said, the “last” promotional cents for circulation will be offered in 2026. When we find out they are actually worth anything is when counterfeit ones start showing up.
Although it's not very pretty, it is the first of my 2025's to be certified.
Congrats on the 70, but that TrueView looks like FalseView.
PCGS TrueView LInk
The true view is worse than my photos from my cell phone. However, these proof cents could be rather hard to get a good picture. I just cent in a 2024S & 2025 S proof cents to CACG, Hope I get good results too.
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In the year 2025,,,,, if man is still alive,
It seems the Lincoln Cen't won't survive and it will depart.
You won't see Lincoln no more no way,,, at least not in the change you get everyday..
You don't pay cash for nothing no way,,,,
Everything has went digital,,,, and that ain't no good for me or you,,,,
All the coin collectors have said BOO-HOO!!!!!! WOO-WOO!!!!!!!!
Planchet supply is enough to keep the cent in production
By Paul Gilkes , Coin World
Published: Apr 9, 2025, 5 PM
The Philadelphia and Denver Mints combined for 2025 have produced 595.4 million Lincoln cents, roughly a third of the number minted in 2024. Illustrated is a Philadelphia cent. Images courtesy of the United States Mint.
The United States Mint is strategically planning to execute efforts at the Philadelphia and Denver Mints to cut back the output of Lincoln cents for general release through the Federal Reserve.
The Federal Reserve remains the U.S. Mint’s lone customer for copper-plated zinc cents, whose production costs more than their face value.
Weeks ago, President Trump announced his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) measure to eliminate Lincoln cent production altogether, an authority the president does not have. Monetary authority, codified in law, rests with Congress.
Legislation introduced in the 119th Congress would specifically limit production of the Lincoln cent, a coin that has been struck for nearly 116 years since its introduction in 1909.
The inventory of unstruck ready-to-strike cent planchets combined at the Denver and Philadelphia Mints is considered by the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Mint enough to handle production needs for the near future as the mintages wind down, with no more planchets ordered from the lone outside vendor.
The unstruck planchets are also sufficient for striking Uncirculated Lincolns cents at the Philadelphia and Denver Mints for inclusion in 2025 Uncirculated Mint sets and for Proof sets executed at the San Francisco Mint.
The ready-to-strike planchets with raised rims have been produced for decades by the same contracted outside vendor in Tennessee. The vendor has undergone several name changes — Alltrista Corp. in Greeneville, Jarden Zinc Products at the same location in Greeneville, and now Artazn LLC, as a subsidiary of One Rock Capital in Tusculum, Tennessee.
Newspapers in the region have published concerns that, should the U.S. Mint completely sever any contracts for planchets, the move could financially cripple Artazn LLC.
Circulation production
So far for 2025, through April 1, the Denver Mint has produced 295.4 million Lincoln cents dated 2025 for circulation, with the Philadelphia Mint’s share 350 million cents.
In calendar year 2024, Denver struck 780.4 million cents, and Philadelphia struck 734.8 million cents. For 2023, 2,260,800,000 cents were struck at Denver and 2,262,000,000 cents at Philadelphia.
Cent production and distribution costs have exceeded face value for several years.
Per coin costs published in the Annual Report of the Mint for Fiscal Year 2024 put total production and related costs at 3.69 cents; in 2023 the total cost per coin was 3.07 cents, and in 2022, it was 2.72 cents.
During the past decade of research and development for a cost-saving alternative composition for the Lincoln cent, no options identified to lower cost would bring the per coin costs below face value.
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