CAM designation?
Daniel777
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1966 SMS Dime. In-Hand device frost is fairly consistent and thick IMO relative to other samples I've seen.
I'm looking for your opinions on what to look for and consider in future potential CAM designations, as I'm a bit weak in this area. I never seem to call um right. Can't crack the code. This one included. My graded one you see first came back SP67 SMS. No CAM. Thx (Last pic is a Trueview comparison sample):
And for comparison purposes, below is a sample auctioned 1966 SMS SP69 CAM:
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There's quite a difference in the contrast between the two photos/coins.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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There is in some areas. But the lower half of the second coin’s obverse portrait appears to have inadequate frost. So it might not be a good example to use for comparison.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Don't know if you have found them but here are a couple of pcgs items for CAM/DCAM.
https://www.pcgs.com/grades#gradeCAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpEI3TMGzhg&t=127s
https://www.pcgs.com/grades#gradeDCAM
And the video referenced in the above links.
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For the above "And for comparison purposes" OP photo, a lot of it can have to do with the photo or how it was taken. Sometimes one can detect some things and other times not so much so. But in that photo it appears there may be two lights. One at about 10 o/c and another maybe about 1 o/c. I guess this based off of the rims being a little more lit up at 1 o/c and 7 o/c and then 4 o/c and 10 o/c. And then since the devices are lit up at the top of each of these I am guessing the lights to be as noted around 1 o/c and 10 o/c.
If so, then these lights might not light up the device in some areas (like the neck). I tried this out previously and did a thread, link below. There is only one light at the top of the photo (or 12 o/c) and the camera next/near to it. I then rotated the coin to see how things changed. Looking at the neck it is shown to be lit up nicely when rotated to or near the 12 o/c position or where the light is and less so elsewhere. Can follow other areas for a similar thing.
So in the case of the OP "And for comparison purposes" photo the device may not be lit up properly to detect the cameo.
Hope this helped and that it made a little bit of sense as it was kind of hard to 'word it out' .
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1086726/ike-dollar-cameo-versus-photo-position
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_KWVk0XeB9o - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Piece Of My Heart
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
Wow. Thank you for the detailed information. I'll dig into it. Appreciate it.
The first TRUEVIEW appears not to be a cameo. The second photo is a good representation of what a cameo should look like. A better comparison would be to compare cameo Roosevelt TRUEVIEWS to your TRUEVIEW.
Simple, the frost in the first coin is actually thicker than the second (cam) coin. The problem with the first coin is the lack of mirrors and the presence of striations in the fields.
Accordingly, the difference between cameo and deep cameo is more about the depth of the mirrors, than it is the thickness of the frosting however, also important.