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Ike Dollar Cameo versus Photo Position

lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

So seeing some Proof and cameo threads, it got me wondering how the cameo might change versus photo setup. So I got the snap-o'matic out, an Ike dollar (in a plastic holder, sorry) and then took some photos as I rotated the Ike about 45 degrees. The single light is at 12 o/c (first photo) and does not move. I held the camera at about light level and up against the light shade. Then zoomed in and snap. Nothing dramatic here but since the cameo changed some I thought I would post the results. Cheap entertainment maybe. 2 lights might be better?
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And then I thought I would try to get one of those reflection type shots. Sort of did, I think.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023

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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,155 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Part of being CAM is that the entire surface is cameo. A scuff or other patch is very noticeable. And our hosts have reportedly gotten much stricter about this over the years.

    The last shot is interesting. I figured that the tail of the Y was casting a shadow - much more visible because of the cameo. But why is the L not? and the tops of the 7s. I think there is a tiny bit of MD - check out the 2nd from last shot.

    If nothing else, you've shown how difficult it is to shoot cameos.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    2 lights is definitely better for CAMs/DCAMs. It allows for the camera to take in the contrast at all angles at one given time, so like compiling all the contrast you would get by swirling the coin in one shot.

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lighting and angles.... evidently prime contributors to coin photography - and probably many other things. Cheers, RickO

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2023 10:44AM

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Part of being CAM is that the entire surface is cameo. A scuff or other patch is very noticeable. And our hosts have reportedly gotten much stricter about this over the years.

    The last shot is interesting. I figured that the tail of the Y was casting a shadow - much more visible because of the cameo. But why is the L not? and the tops of the 7s. I think there is a tiny bit of MD - check out the 2nd from last shot.

    If nothing else, you've shown how difficult it is to shoot cameos.

    Thanks for the information. I actually thought the differences would be even more noticeable than they were. Had not paid attention to the last shot and was just seeing if I could get the reflection thing. There is some glare just starting to show at the bottom by the date. Now that Y thing - I don't know but it is along the top of the head also. FYI the light is at 12 o/c and slightly behind the coin and I and the camera move far in front of the coin so the light is reflecting back at a somewhat steep angle. Was a quick and kind of fun little thing to do. Never had tried it before and I am not a photographer so was different for me.

    Edit: looking at the last photo and where the camera was, I am thinking the dark area around Y and along the top of the head is the light reflecting off the field surface but being blocked by the devices. The camera lens is fairly large so I don't know how that would impact it but I know it will pick up glare and stuff that I don't see with my eye.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    2 lights is definitely better for CAMs/DCAMs. It allows for the camera to take in the contrast at all angles at one given time, so like compiling all the contrast you would get by swirling the coin in one shot.

    Thanks: That is what I was thinking. I did one light because I thought it would show the most difference. While it changed I though it would be even more. Kind of a fun thing to try out for a non-photographer with a snap-o'matic :) in hand.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hold my beer

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:
    Hold my beer

    Beer - can do better than that. :o

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lilolme said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    Hold my beer

    Beer - can do better than that. :o

    Oh damn now I feel like the rookie :#
    actually looks very familiar :D

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As a rookie photographer I prefer to point the lights away especially for proofs, likes and the such.

    Direct light (shown here) looks too raw.

    Indirect light then adjust aperture/ that lil turn knob on the lens. the texture looks richer.

    Also, I can adjust and/or remove the roof for optimum shots. Mouse in one hand while holding the roof airborne to find the perfect places to highlight on a particular coin.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2023 4:08PM

    I have yet to figure out the reflection shot on this setup obviously the cell phone is easy.

    More recent shooting practice.






  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2023 4:36PM

    And again, the first pic is direct lighting while the second is indirect. It exposes cameo that you wouldn't normally see. This coin is PR68RD.


  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:
    And again, the first pic is direct lighting while the second is indirect. It exposes cameo that you wouldn't normally see. This coin is PR68RD.


    Good Stuff. I will have to try that. Where did you get the white cardboard?

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch Yes the drinks are familiar.
    You are way over me on the photography. Nice summation.

    @ironmanl63 White cardboard and other similar type stuff I find at Hobby Lobby. If you don't have one of those then perhaps a similar type place.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2023 5:09PM

    @ironmanl63 Its a trifold designed for 6th grade science projects, amazon. I cut a section of the bottom for wires and use a folded taped one for the roof. Indirect light can work for and against, sometimes you lose color and/or pick up every little ting. Every coin is slightly different.


    Why not :D


  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lilolme said:
    @Coinscratch Yes the drinks are familiar.
    You are way over me on the photography. Nice summation.

    @ironmanl63 White cardboard and other similar type stuff I find at Hobby Lobby. If you don't have one of those then perhaps a similar type place.

    I'm just learning and my lights I believe are way off. This is something of a work-around but more than suitable for me determining whether or not to have graded.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cameos can be tough, but I think they're still easier than circulated copper. I never could really figure it out until I got Goodman's book. It was a lot easier to copy his technique than invent a different one. :)

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some really nice photos in here!

    Collector, occasional seller

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