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What would PCGS grade this 1870-CC $1?

ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

It's in a straight graded NGC holder right now. I'm on the fence about it but would appreciate some input since it's not my series. I'm considering it for my type set. I'll reveal the NGC grade tonight.


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  • CrepidoderaCrepidodera Posts: 363 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 18, 2024 10:17AM

    40/45, my guess for the current NGC grade would be 45 or 50.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm thinking a 45/50, fwiw

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Nice con.
  • Davidk7Davidk7 Posts: 333 ✭✭✭✭

    On the fence between 40 and 45. Nice surfaces!

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  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,922 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Put me in the 40 camp. Looks fairly wholesome.


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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,965 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll say 40. The lighter patch in the middle of the LIBERTY shield is a bit attention-grabbing, but everything else looks XF.

  • 40

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 18, 2024 9:02AM
    1. Could go 50 if there's more luster than I'm seeing
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lock 40, shot 45.

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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40 sounds good, looks fairly wholesome to me.

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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 18, 2024 9:10AM

    duplicate.

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  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Going out on a limb by answering a bit differently. I think it’s a NGC 45 now & I’ll go with PCGS coming in @ 40. Nice coin in any case.

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  • maymay Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45

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  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess is a pcgs 40, which would then cac. If 45-50, not sure about cac.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin looks like a 45 to me and much more original looking than the large majority of Seated Dollars, regardless of grade level.

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  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it will straight grade 45

  • AtcarrollAtcarroll Posts: 404 ✭✭✭✭

    I like it at 45

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40

  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the XF40 camp.

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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's the slab pic:

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45 is reasonable and really represents the most probable grade outcome. I like the coin. The coin and not the favorite holder of the moment or sticker really matters because this is a coin that simply cannot be replicated as it has the characteristics of what matters. A 40 would be a real slap in the face if this coin in hand looks as good as it does in the image.

    A collector has a choice… something unmolested in contrast to some enhanced POS. The unmolested coin deserves the benefit of the doubt… that is even if there is doubt in this instance… over what is typically seen for the date.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coin, curious why or why not cac liked it (if it's been submitted which is likely).

  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    Very nice coin, curious why or why not cac liked it (if it's been submitted which is likely).

    I don't think it has been submitted because the dealer offering it doesn't submit to CAC.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40 was my guess for PCGS. I can't see it going any higher. 40 years ago it would have been a 30.

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking coin
    This is one that should be sent to CAC and if it passes submit it to PCGS for a crossover
    IMO

  • shishshish Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll think it has a good chance to be approved by CAC as an VF-35.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @shish said:
    I’ll think it has a good chance to be approved by CAC as an VF-35.

    I sure hope CAC would approve the coin as a 35, considering that it looks XF. and plenty original.

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  • shishshish Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I realize that 35 seems harsh, I agree that it's appears to be original. My guess is based on my experience with CAC.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like a very strong EF coin to me. If there is a big difference between the price of an EF-40 and VF-35 and it's in the 35 holder, I'd be looking at a crack out. It does not get much more wholesome than this.

    The "ER" for "LIBERTY" in the shield is normal. That was an abnormal wear point on the Seated Dollar design that is not the same as it is on other Liberty Seated silver coins.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    It looks like a very strong EF coin to me. If there is a big difference between the price of an EF-40 and VF-35 and it's in the 35 holder, I'd be looking at a crack out. It does not get much more wholesome than this.

    The "ER" for "LIBERTY" in the shield is normal. That was an abnormal wear point on the Seated Dollar design that is not the same as it is on other Liberty Seated silver coins.

    I agree and would note the CC were often morn prone to high point weakness and premature wear. If the surfaces are alive with luster under the tone it could go anywhere from 45-53. Guessing that it is slightly subdued by the original skin, I would say a text book & premium 45.

  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,792 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd like to see some luster as an XF45 - Is it there? I can't quite tell from the photos. My first thought was VF35 but I don't know jack.

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,348 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Two random samples from CoinFacts.



    XF40


    XF45

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldbully said:
    Two random samples from CoinFacts.



    XF40


    XF45

    That 40 looks like a net graded 45 for chemical treatment. Not that the surfaces of the 45 are completely original but way less muted. The OPs coin is in a different realm of originality.

  • shishshish Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m still feeling the effect of my recent CAC submission. NGC-45, PCGS-40, CAC-35 to 40.

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  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice dollar. I see it as a liner 40/45.
    Good looking dollar. Doesn't seem messed with.
    I think a CAC submission would be a positive.

  • CrepidoderaCrepidodera Posts: 363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @shish said:
    I’m still feeling the effect of my recent CAC submission. NGC-45, PCGS-40, CAC-35 to 40.

    Please tell us about your results.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF35 coins are usually showing a lot more wear. To my amateur eyes it does not look like a marginal EF Seated piece.

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2024 4:38PM

    Lovely coin. Here’s my P/C 40 for comparison.

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,348 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @skier07 said:
    Lovely coin. Here’s my P/C 40

    That's a great looking coin. Embodies the XF40 IMHO.

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