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dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

It looks like all classes of assets are being dumped.
This has the feel of a liquidity crises where anything and everything is being sold to raise cash.
I think the Fed has screwed up again.
Much more QE to come.

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yup.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    More money creation will fix it.

    Not.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    More money creation will fix it.

    Fix what?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2024 5:12AM

    @cohodk said:

    @jmski52 said:
    More money creation will fix it.

    Fix what?

    Not sure what you mean; or are asking?

    Are you implying nothing is broken or wrong? Or, are you implying that.... it can't be fixed? Regardless, things seem to be boomin' in the wrong direction today.

    ----- kj
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2024 6:12AM

    not a liquidity crisis. Herd mentality. The music is slowing down, everyone wants to have a chair. When "cash is the place to be" appears on the economic billboard, no one wants to be the last looking for a chair.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,188 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "SPLUNGE!"

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Er....no. This is nothing compared to March 2020 or September 2008.

    Some of you need to expand your comments to include stuff beyond a month ago. :)

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,354 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    More money creation will fix it.

    Not.

    cool, they just got a whole bunch of fresh ink to boot (not)

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2024 11:37AM

    @GoldFinger1969 said:
    Er....no. This is nothing compared to March 2020 or September 2008.

    Some of you need to expand your comments to include stuff beyond a month ago. :)

    So, you didn't heed the warnings in Jan. 2020 or in July 2008?

    Comment Expansion: We are seeing the beginnings of 2008-09. Japan is the straw.

    "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." - Churchill

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2024 8:09PM

    Everything that can break appears to be breaking. We should know soon where the cash is headed. Likely, as history shows, to gold first.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,106 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not a liquidity crisis at all

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    So, you didn't heed the warnings in Jan. 2020 or in July 2008?
    Comment Expansion: We are seeing the beginnings of 2008-09. Japan is the straw.>
    "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."_ - >Churchill

    There was no "warning" in January 2020 or July 2008 except with perfect hindsight. I could say the same thing for every month before those going back 6-18 months.

    If you know the "warnings"...then tell us how low the S&P 500, Treasury Yields, and Gold all go...tell us the bottom price targets...tell us when we buy back in.

    If what you say is correct and right, then it should be able to make you/us money.

    Let's see it. :)

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,485 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2024 12:29AM

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @derryb said:
    So, you didn't heed the warnings in Jan. 2020 or in July 2008?
    Comment Expansion: We are seeing the beginnings of 2008-09. Japan is the straw.>
    "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."_ - >Churchill

    There was no "warning" in January 2020 or July 2008 except with perfect hindsight. I could say the same thing for every month before those going back 6-18 months.

    If you know the "warnings"...then tell us how low the S&P 500, Treasury Yields, and Gold all go...tell us the bottom price targets...tell us when we buy back in.

    If what you say is correct and right, then it should be able to make you/us money.

    Let's see it. :)

    .

    That is ridiculously false.
    There were all sorts of warning signs leading up to 2008.
    I didn't even follow the markets at the time but I could still easily see the looming problem when those commercials came on TV offering people loans amounting to 125% of the equity in their houses.

    Here are some Peter Schiff interviews from 2006-2007 (appended into a single video) where he sounds the alarm. His counter-party in one video debate (Mike Norman) laughs it off like the moron he is.

    Are you Art Laffer or Mike Norman ?

    https://youtu.be/sgRGBNekFIw

    .

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It appears there was some increase with insider trading taking place this time around: "From Nvidia CEO To Warren Buffett: Insider Stock Selling Was An Ominous Warning Ahead Of Market Swoon".

    https://zerohedge.com/markets/nvidia-ceo-warren-buffett-insider-stock-selling-was-ominous-warning-ahead-market-swoon

    ----- kj
  • psuman08psuman08 Posts: 330 ✭✭✭✭

    From the zerohedge article "Huang has personally sold about $1.4 billion in shares since the start of 2020, including this summer's sales." They fail to mention that he still owns more than $8 billion in NVDA stock. NVDA insider selling is a non-story that continues to be pushed by the media.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    dumping 12.5% of one's insider holdings is news worthy.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    dumping 12.5% of one's insider holdings is news worthy.

    Not if it's over a 4 year period

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • psuman08psuman08 Posts: 330 ✭✭✭✭

    He also continues to get most of his compensation via stock options. He is not bailing out because the company is about to fail.

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Couple of comments..... if one is going to dump, perhaps better to do so in stages over time so as to not tank the price. (If you had a 'hoard' of a rather rare and desirable coin, are you going to dump them all in the market at one time?)

    The other mentioned in the article was Warren Buffett... disposing of Apple shares. Not sure what percentage this amounts to. I do remember a week or so ago when I heard/read Buffett was doing so... and thinkig hmmmm... wonder if something is coming down the road real soon. What does he know? He is a buy and hold guy.

    That being said, I do not know whether this insider trading means anything or not, or if there are quite a few other significant ones that have not been mentioned. Just posted the info for comments.

    ----- kj
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @psuman08 said:
    He also continues to get most of his compensation via stock options. He is not bailing out because the company is about to fail.

    Not trying to say in any way the company is failing. Rather, perhaps anticipating a correction, capturing that profit when at a high.?

    ----- kj
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tincup said:

    @psuman08 said:
    He also continues to get most of his compensation via stock options. He is not bailing out because the company is about to fail.

    Not trying to say in any way the company is failing. Rather, perhaps anticipating a correction, capturing that profit when at a high.?

    If that was the case, yesterday was a bad timing on his part. BTW the market needed a correction, but I'm not convinced that yesterday's sell off took care of it.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Uncertainty about the election, uncertainty about war in Eastern Europe and the Middle East, soft jobs report, unemployment creeping up, auto repos up, real estate market slowing, etc.

    I think this is more than just a typical market correction.

    The longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it possible for an empire to rise without His aid? Benjamin Franklin
  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @psuman08 said:
    From the zerohedge article "Huang has personally sold about $1.4 billion in shares since the start of 2020, including this summer's sales." They fail to mention that he still owns more than $8 billion in NVDA stock. NVDA insider selling is a non-story that continues to be pushed by the media.

    He's got more than $8 BB in NVDA stock. More like $80 BB (it split 10-for-1).

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @psuman08 said:
    From the zerohedge article "Huang has personally sold about $1.4 billion in shares since the start of 2020, including this summer's sales." They fail to mention that he still owns more than $8 billion in NVDA stock. NVDA insider selling is a non-story that continues to be pushed by the media.

    He's got more than $8 BB in NVDA stock. More like $80 BB (it split 10-for-1).

    In case you don't know, his $80B in stock after a 10-for-1 split has the same dollar value as the original $8B in stock. Simply a split to reduce the share price not the value of shares held.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • s4nys4ny Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭

    Haung sales not significant, and I am short NVDA. There are some crowded trades and that doesn't bode well in the weakest two months. Best bet here is utility stocks.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2024 4:02AM

    @derryb said:

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @psuman08 said:
    From the zerohedge article "Huang has personally sold about $1.4 billion in shares since the start of 2020, including this summer's sales." They fail to mention that he still owns more than $8 billion in NVDA stock. NVDA insider selling is a non-story that continues to be pushed by the media.

    He's got more than $8 BB in NVDA stock. More like $80 BB (it split 10-for-1).

    In case you don't know, his $80B in stock after a 10-for-1 split has the same dollar value as the original $8B in stock. Simply a split to reduce the share price not the value of shares held.

    Lol.

    Huang owns about 3 to 3.5% of NVDA stock, or approx $80-$90 billion at current (volatile) prices. He has stated he set up a systematic plan to sell shares which is evidenced by publicly available reports.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What does Nvidia really have to do with this precious metal's forum?

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    He's got more than $8 BB in NVDA stock. More like $80 BB (it split 10-for-1).
    In case you don't know, his $80B in stock after a 10-for-1 split has the same dollar value as the original $8B in stock. Simply a split to reduce the share price not the value of shares held.

    No.....I'm talking about him having $80 BB in stock BEFORE (or after) the split. I've known a stock split doesn't affect holdings since I was in elementary school.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2024 6:55AM

    @Goldminers said:
    What does Nvidia really have to do with this precious metal's forum?

    Nothing really...someone included it as an example of the financial turbulence the last few days.

    In fact, it means nothing as these sales of stock by insiders are highly regulated and planned months/years in advance. They are called 10(b)5-1 plans, if anybody cares. :)

    Back to gold and PM's....gold doing much better and closer to it's ATH than silver and BTC.

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gold is back to $2,400 and although silver is way behind lately, even JP Morgan is thinking $36 by 2025. I still buy the dips.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldminers said:
    Gold is back to $2,400 and although silver is way behind lately, even JP Morgan is thinking $36 by 2025. I still buy the dips.

    We hit $2,520 on the futures contract last Friday.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2024 5:46PM

    @dcarr said:
    It looks like all classes of assets are being dumped.
    This has the feel of a liquidity crises where anything and everything is being sold to raise cash.
    I think the Fed has screwed up again.
    Much more QE to come.

    Yawn. RGDS!

    EDIT:

    P.S.: Do U expect the gutter to save you? THKS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,485 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2024 1:56AM

    @blitzdude said:

    @dcarr said:
    It looks like all classes of assets are being dumped.
    This has the feel of a liquidity crises where anything and everything is being sold to raise cash.
    I think the Fed has screwed up again.
    Much more QE to come.

    Yawn. RGDS!

    EDIT:

    P.S.: Do U expect the gutter to save you? THKS!

    Markets have already recovered for the most part, on expectations the Fed will step in and do whatever QE and liquidity injections are necessary to float their members. As time goes by, more and more of these actions will be required to stave off collapse. It can continue almost indefinitely, but at the cost of continued and excessive inflation and stagflation. The new word that will start creeping into discussions is "quadrillion".

    PS:

    I expect that you will continue to obsess over, and languish in, the gutter.

    The only thing that is really ever going to "save" us from ourselves is aliens or robots. Or maybe robot aliens. Robots will need and want copper, silver, etc. The question is, will they pay for it, or just take it by force ?

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2024 3:48AM

    .

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,159 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    " The new word that will start creeping into discussions is "quadrillion". "

    Yep, I suspect that will be coming really soon; and ignored. And the experts will again tell us not a problem.... it's just money we owe to ourselves! All is good (right?!)

    Not sure about the timeline on the outer space aliens though. Nanu Nanu!

    ----- kj
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    (hmmmm..... will the aliens bring some currency with them? Can't wait to collect it!)

    ----- kj
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2024 11:03AM

    @tincup said:
    (hmmmm..... will the aliens bring some currency with them? Can't wait to collect it!)

    Those pics are from my family photo album. Top is my great-great grandfather. It's a painting since they didn't have cameras back then. Middle one is Mom...she's so precious. Love her so much!! And bottom is my cousin Harry. He lives in Colorado.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,216 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tincup said:
    (hmmmm..... will the aliens bring some currency with them? Can't wait to collect it!)

    Yes. Will be co-mingled with the rest of the monopoly money.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The US central bank has not owned gold since 1934

    Yet all other central banks are filling their coffers. What's up wid dat?

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is a very interesting interview by Jay Martin with Andy Schectman and Shawn Khunkhun (weird name) about where this liquidity crisis is taking us:

    https://youtu.be/wl3AfPSWHA8

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rafi Farber also has some good analysis and observations about the problem as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Ee9UQPuIg&t=23s

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some of us don't need others to tell us how and what to think.

    I know that's a novel concept, but us redneck hillbillies are known for our ingenuity.

    Still wondering how you are going to survive the consequences of events you fear.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some of us don't need others to tell us how and what to think.

    And yet, coho you are lockstep inline with whatever the Fed tells you. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right?

    I suggest that You not watch these interviews. Out of curiosity, do you own any physical gold? If so, why?

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 11, 2024 7:23AM

    Some of us don't need others to t> @jmski52 said:

    Some of us don't need others to tell us how and what to think.

    And yet, coho you are lockstep inline with whatever the Fed tells you. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right?

    I suggest that You not watch these interviews. Out of curiosity, do you own any physical gold? If so, why?

    Lol...I've often been critical of the FEDs zero rate policy and support of Congressional folly. Where you been?

    Yeah, I own physical gold. Same reason I own equities, bonds, real estate and derivatives.

    Still wondering how you are going to survive the consequences of events you fear.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 11, 2024 10:03AM

    @cohodk said:

    Still wondering how you are going to survive the consequences of events you fear.

    plenty of inverse ETFs out there of all flavors to cover the coming equity dump. Easy peasy way to short different asset types. Saw my UVXY almost double in just five days last week before it settled back when the market recovered. My formula of taking half the profits on rapid spikes worked out well, it ended up increasing my stack of shares.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:
    Some of us don't need others to tell us how and what to think.

    .

    I have done well in the past by acting in contrarian fashion to what financial advisors and money managers (such as yourself) say to do.

    .

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have all of the basic essentials and more. I'll survive the consequences of the Fed's mismanagement & market manipulations better than most. Thanks for your concern.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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