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GTG: NGC slabbed 1921 Peace Dollar (Grade revealed)

johnhenry9009johnhenry9009 Posts: 177 ✭✭✭
edited July 13, 2024 8:01AM in U.S. Coin Forum

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  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 63

  • JimWJimW Posts: 561 ✭✭✭✭

    58 scratched

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  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62

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  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seeings how I can't grade peace dollars very well and am not familiar if weak strikes are common, I have to guess maybe AU50.

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55

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  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bsshog40 said:
    Seeings how I can't grade peace dollars very well and am not familiar if weak strikes are common, I have to guess maybe AU50.

    Weak strikes are almost unavoidable for the 1921, since it was in such high relief.

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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,391 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Au63

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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58 Clean coin; but, worn feathers on reverse,

  • bigmountainlionbigmountainlion Posts: 220 ✭✭✭

    Au58

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2024 8:01PM

    UNC details altered surfaces

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ill go with 65. Its a pretty clean coin with a few small marks on it. The strike is typical. @DisneyFan what you perceive as worn feathers is part of the 1921 Peace dollar problem. They relief was too high for them to strike up fully so the hair on the central portion of the obverse and the feathers on the central portion of the reverse are often pretty flat.

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  • InditonkaInditonka Posts: 437 ✭✭✭

    I'll guess MS62

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  • Jacques_LoungecoqueJacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS Details

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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very difficult coin to grade for sure. I'm going to guess MS64

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it overall, but I'm not sure how to reconcile the marks across the cheek. It's definitely an Unc, but it is Unc details due to the marks or is it MS63/4? The fields are very clean.

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  • PghpetePghpete Posts: 206 ✭✭✭

    MS-64

  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps the opinion of our @thefinn (current moderator of the Doily Census) should render an opinion. He is quite a student of the intricacies of the 1921 Peace . . . and could give some cool insight.

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  • Jacques_LoungecoqueJacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bsshog40 said:
    Seeings how I can't grade peace dollars very well and am not familiar if weak strikes are common, I have to guess maybe AU50.

    Peace dollars and Washington quarters, particularly the silver issues, are a nightmare. I’ve seen results that defy logic, in both directions, from both our host and ATS.

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  • john_nyc1john_nyc1 Posts: 91 ✭✭✭

    63 due to slices on Liberty’s face and neck.

    Casual collector, mostly Morgans & Peace Dollars.

  • air4mdcair4mdc Posts: 906 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tough one for me…Details??

  • noenhancedproofnoenhancedproof Posts: 27 ✭✭

    63+, nice toning on the obverse and the “scratches” look like toning from here

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64 or cleaned.

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  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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  • PacecarPacecar Posts: 51 ✭✭✭

    MS65

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  • SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    QUestionable color. Ms det

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63 RGDS!

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  • erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS Details, cleaned

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,522 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm also thinking Unc. details, just because the luster seems lacking.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    I'm also thinking Unc. details, just because the luster seems lacking.

    A coin won’t receive a details grade just because the luster’s lacking. But I wouldn’t be surprised by a details grade due to questionable color or cleaning.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2024 5:28AM

    AU 50. Low end piece.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,522 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @logger7 said:
    I'm also thinking Unc. details, just because the luster seems lacking.

    A coin won’t receive a details grade just because the luster’s lacking. But I wouldn’t be surprised by a details grade due to questionable color or cleaning.

    While true, they will sometimes straight grade coins without much luster, if the coin is AU or Unc. I've found NGC more likely to give it a details grade if the luster is lacking.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @logger7 said:
    I'm also thinking Unc. details, just because the luster seems lacking.

    A coin won’t receive a details grade just because the luster’s lacking. But I wouldn’t be surprised by a details grade due to questionable color or cleaning.

    While true, they will sometimes straight grade coins without much luster, if the coin is AU or Unc. I've found NGC more likely to give it a details grade if the luster is lacking.

    There must be another issue responsible for the lack of luster and whatever it is, would be the reason for the details grade.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,522 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @logger7 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @logger7 said:
    I'm also thinking Unc. details, just because the luster seems lacking.

    A coin won’t receive a details grade just because the luster’s lacking. But I wouldn’t be surprised by a details grade due to questionable color or cleaning.

    While true, they will sometimes straight grade coins without much luster, if the coin is AU or Unc. I've found NGC more likely to give it a details grade if the luster is lacking.

    There must be another issue responsible for the lack of luster and whatever it is, would be the reason for the details grade.

    Though theoretically true, would not the lack of luster in an AU or Unc. coin indicate that the coin was mishandled post mint usually? Mr. Swiatek once told me that even an XF coin should usually have luster, albeit subdued, or partial in hidden parts of the coin from handling.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @logger7 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @logger7 said:
    I'm also thinking Unc. details, just because the luster seems lacking.

    A coin won’t receive a details grade just because the luster’s lacking. But I wouldn’t be surprised by a details grade due to questionable color or cleaning.

    While true, they will sometimes straight grade coins without much luster, if the coin is AU or Unc. I've found NGC more likely to give it a details grade if the luster is lacking.

    There must be another issue responsible for the lack of luster and whatever it is, would be the reason for the details grade.

    Though theoretically true, would not the lack of luster in an AU or Unc. coin indicate that the coin was mishandled post mint usually? Mr. Swiatek once told me that even an XF coin should usually have luster, albeit subdued, or partial in hidden parts of the coin from handling.

    Even on an AU or Unc. coin, subdued luster isn’t necessarily the result of another issue that would result in a details grade.
    I’ve seen a lot of MS65 and better classic type coins with subpar luster.

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  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Quite late on the answer so I guess I'll take advantage with a swing.

    Unc Cleaned

    (AU Environmental Damage if it were PCGS)

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64.

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  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    AU 50. Low end piece.

    How do you see this as an AU50? 58 at least if it straight grades.

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  • johnhenry9009johnhenry9009 Posts: 177 ✭✭✭

    Here she is,

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CRHer700 said:

    @Cougar1978 said:
    AU 50. Low end piece.

    How do you see this as an AU50? 58 at least if it straight grades.

    I can answer that for you - clearly, he’s not familiar enough with 1921 Peace dollars to be able to make an informed guess.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,522 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for sharing; probably still a $300-$350 coin, maybe there is a variety on this?

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnhenry9009 said:
    Here she is,

    I'd try it again. I can see why they went details, but I know they've let slide marks like that go before.

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  • johnhenry9009johnhenry9009 Posts: 177 ✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    Thanks for sharing; probably still a $300-$350 coin, maybe there is a variety on this?

    I paid around $450 and she's a Vam-1C

    @MFeld said:

    @johnhenry9009 said:
    Here she is,

    Didn’t you originally say you were going to reveal the grade at 12:00 AM? If so, you were several hours late.😉

    I swear I put 12PM, you gotta believe me. 😅

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2024 9:37AM

    @Cougar1978 said:
    AU 50. Low end piece.

    Spoken like a true " :) dealer."

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnhenry9009 said:
    Here she is,

    Where is the obverse damage? Just asking.

  • johnhenry9009johnhenry9009 Posts: 177 ✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2024 9:29AM

    @DisneyFan
    I think it was details because of the parallel lines on the cheek which i think is from it being in an album (Like Dansco) with aplastic slides.

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnhenry9009 said:
    @DisneyFan
    I think it was details because of the parallel lines on the cheek which i think is from it being in an album (Like Dansco) with aplastic slides.

    That's what I see too, but I have seen them simply net grade for this too many times to leave it in a details holder. Coin should be at least a 62 if it doesn't have any other issues.

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