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TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

A
B
C

Simple enough. Submit now !
Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.

Does this seem radical ? Looks like where we are, to me. Post an A coin. Numbers don’t matter. But, it has to be in a PCGS holder. After all, here we are.

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  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It doesn't seem radical...this seems more like a troll post. Post this 5pm Friday with a default avatar and the fireworks would fly.

    Surprising coming from such a longstanding forum member.

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's time for a 100 point scale.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,281 ✭✭✭✭✭

    no show here on the bad ones, ill get arrested again :(

  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    100 point scale makes a lot of sense....
    but then someone will have a 91.5 points coin ??? and claim to see the / know the difference. B)

    Today is the first day of the rest of my life
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is the original grading scheme when it was basically VG, XF, and MS.

    Collectors are the ones responsible for the current 40-grade fiasco.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    More greed equals more grades.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    "Seu cabra da peste,
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  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 914 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does any of this really matter, if you know how to grade then it shouldn't matter, crackout artists, dealers & flippers would disagree of course

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    A
    B
    C

    Simple enough. Submit now !
    Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.

    Does this seem radical ? Looks like where we are, to me. Post an A coin. Numbers don’t matter. But, it has to be in a PCGS holder. After all, here we are.

    I don’t believe you when you say “Looks like where we are to me”. Because, you no doubt know plenty of collectors and dealers who aren’t of the belief that “Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.”

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 12,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OKbustchaser said:
    I still like my daughter's grading scale from back when she was 5...

    Pretty
    Okay
    Yuck

    I like it.
    Joe stole his grading system from her it seems.

    "Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso

  • Jacques_LoungecoqueJacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    100 point scale makes a lot of sense....
    but then someone will have a 91.5 points coin ??? and claim to see the / know the difference. B)

    I agree but move the decimal one spot to a 10 point scale. That way your 91 = 9.1. And it would better align with pretty much everything else that’s certified these days.

    For the first decade label the grades on the ten point scale with the corresponding Sheldon grade in parentheses. ex. MS 9.9. (MS69).

    Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jacques_Loungecoque said:

    @YQQ said:
    100 point scale makes a lot of sense....
    but then someone will have a 91.5 points coin ??? and claim to see the / know the difference. B)

    I agree but move the decimal one spot to a 10 point scale. That way your 91 = 9.1. And it would better align with pretty much everything else that’s certified these days.

    For the first decade label the grades on the ten point scale with the corresponding Sheldon grade in parentheses. ex. MS 9.9. (MS69).

    That is NGCX

  • Jacques_LoungecoqueJacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Jacques_Loungecoque said:

    @YQQ said:
    100 point scale makes a lot of sense....
    but then someone will have a 91.5 points coin ??? and claim to see the / know the difference. B)

    I agree but move the decimal one spot to a 10 point scale. That way your 91 = 9.1. And it would better align with pretty much everything else that’s certified these days.

    For the first decade label the grades on the ten point scale with the corresponding Sheldon grade in parentheses. ex. MS 9.9. (MS69).

    That is NGCX

    Exactly. And it’s time to move it industry wide. I’m under the belief that using NGCX is still not available to the masses yet for submissions.

    Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 9, 2024 2:48PM

    Just do away with the numbers, examples / XF, CH XF. BU, CH BU, Gem BU.

    Coins & Currency
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jacques_Loungecoque said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Jacques_Loungecoque said:

    @YQQ said:
    100 point scale makes a lot of sense....
    but then someone will have a 91.5 points coin ??? and claim to see the / know the difference. B)

    I agree but move the decimal one spot to a 10 point scale. That way your 91 = 9.1. And it would better align with pretty much everything else that’s certified these days.

    For the first decade label the grades on the ten point scale with the corresponding Sheldon grade in parentheses. ex. MS 9.9. (MS69).

    That is NGCX

    Exactly. And it’s time to move it industry wide. I’m under the belief that using NGCX is still not available to the masses yet for submissions.

    I'm fine with that.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    A
    B
    C

    Simple enough. Submit now !
    Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.

    Does this seem radical ? Looks like where we are, to me. Post an A coin. Numbers don’t matter. But, it has to be in a PCGS holder. After all, here we are.

    I don’t believe you when you say “Looks like where we are to me”. Because, you no doubt know plenty of collectors and dealers who aren’t of the belief that “Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.”

    Okay Mark I do know more collectors and dealers who collect and deal lower grade, ungraded, and lesser valued coins than the more astute and educated that we have here do.
    Maybe I meant to say “with all the talk of A & B coins, serious collectors gravitate upward and newcomers maybe wonder if collecting is worth it , when C coins or coins with a fair grade but unloved ( unstickered) fall out of favor (C or worse) based on that. Thus hurting either the hobby or the hobbyist.
    And there is also a contingency of people who assume PCGS and NGC coins without a sticker already likely failed at getting the coveted “sticker” of approval. And there I would contend with such thinking.
    Do you think this is beneficial for the hobby , going forward ? Is the herd thinning out ?

    Where do you believe we are, and how do you see or perceive/ assess/grade/value coins outside of the holder ?
    I like Gil’s suggestion I stole a kid’s grading system. . Is it really as easy as A B C ?

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They're not even grading 5FS Jeffs..........yet, anyway! Only 6FS coins! Try wrapping your heads around that, will ya!

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @leothelyon said:
    They're not even grading 5FS Jeffs..........yet, anyway! Only 6FS coins! Try wrapping your heads around that, will ya!

    "5FS" isn't truly FS, though... I can easily wrap my head around it.

    Young Numismatist • My Toned Coins
    Life is roadblocks. Don't let nothing stop you, 'cause we ain't stopping. - DJ Khaled

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2024 4:44AM

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @MFeld said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    A
    B
    C

    Simple enough. Submit now !
    Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.

    Does this seem radical ? Looks like where we are, to me. Post an A coin. Numbers don’t matter. But, it has to be in a PCGS holder. After all, here we are.

    I don’t believe you when you say “Looks like where we are to me”. Because, you no doubt know plenty of collectors and dealers who aren’t of the belief that “Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.”

    Okay Mark I do know more collectors and dealers who collect and deal lower grade, ungraded, and lesser valued coins than the more astute and educated that we have here do.
    Maybe I meant to say “with all the talk of A & B coins, serious collectors gravitate upward and newcomers maybe wonder if collecting is worth it , when C coins or coins with a fair grade but unloved ( unstickered) fall out of favor (C or worse) based on that. Thus hurting either the hobby or the hobbyist.
    And there is also a contingency of people who assume PCGS and NGC coins without a sticker already likely failed at getting the coveted “sticker” of approval. And there I would contend with such thinking.
    Do you think this is beneficial for the hobby , going forward ? Is the herd thinning out ?

    Where do you believe we are, and how do you see or perceive/ assess/grade/value coins outside of the holder ?
    I like Gil’s suggestion I stole a kid’s grading system. . Is it really as easy as A B C ?

    Why are people who chose to buy "higher grade", "slabbed" and " higher value" coins "astute" or "educated"? You can be an ignorant high school drop out and buy expensive slabs. It's a choice.

    In the stamp world, there are people who choose to only collect used stamps because only used stamps did postal duty. Why couldn't a highly educated collector choose to only use coins that were actually used for commerce?

    And why couldn't the most educated, astute collector on the planet chose to collect only raw? They might trust their astute eyes more than PCGS. And many ancient collectors, for example, want to actually hold the coins.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2024 7:57AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @MFeld said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    A
    B
    C

    Simple enough. Submit now !
    Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.

    Does this seem radical ? Looks like where we are, to me. Post an A coin. Numbers don’t matter. But, it has to be in a PCGS holder. After all, here we are.

    I don’t believe you when you say “Looks like where we are to me”. Because, you no doubt know plenty of collectors and dealers who aren’t of the belief that “Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.”

    Okay Mark I do know more collectors and dealers who collect and deal lower grade, ungraded, and lesser valued coins than the more astute and educated that we have here do.
    Maybe I meant to say “with all the talk of A & B coins, serious collectors gravitate upward and newcomers maybe wonder if collecting is worth it , when C coins or coins with a fair grade but unloved ( unstickered) fall out of favor (C or worse) based on that. Thus hurting either the hobby or the hobbyist.
    And there is also a contingency of people who assume PCGS and NGC coins without a sticker already likely failed at getting the coveted “sticker” of approval. And there I would contend with such thinking.
    Do you think this is beneficial for the hobby , going forward ? Is the herd thinning out ?

    Where do you believe we are, and how do you see or perceive/ assess/grade/value coins outside of the holder ?
    I like Gil’s suggestion I stole a kid’s grading system. . Is it really as easy as A B C ?

    Why are people who chose to buy "higher grade", "slabbed" and " higher value" coins "astute" or "educated"? You can be an ignorant high school drop out and buy expensive slabs. It's a choice.

    In the stamp world, there are people who choose to only collect used stamps because only used stamps did postal duty. Why couldn't a highly educated collector choose to only use coins that were actually used for commerce?

    And why couldn't the most educated, astute collector on the planet chose to collect only raw? They might trust their astute eyes more than PCGS. And many ancient collectors, for example, want to actually hold the coins.

    Okay Ramblin'man. Are you saying JA is a DA ?

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And I'm saying those who need A and B coins might just be a little more educated than those who don't dig deeper in to their pockets.
    Maybe you think they're ignorant or not as educated. Your mind is free to be trapped.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks jedm.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You say there is no correlation between intelligence and (collecting) choice . I think there is.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    You say there is no correlation between intelligence and (collecting) choice . I think there is.

    I know you do. But that is simply arrogance. [Unless you are a raw, low ball collector admiring your superiors. ]

    The most amazing collection I've seen in recent years was 100% raw collection of British copper covering 400 years. Belonged to a doctor. Had to be worth several million.

    Andy Harkness collected the greatest collection of agricultural medals ever. He literally wrote the book on them. They are referenced by Harkness numbers. The collection is 100% raw and probably 75% cleaned and polished.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    You say there is no correlation between intelligence and (collecting) choice . I think there is.

    I know you do. But that is simply arrogance. [Unless you are a raw, low ball collector admiring your superiors. ]

    The most amazing collection I've seen in recent years was 100% raw collection of British copper covering 400 years. Belonged to a doctor. Had to be worth several million.

    Andy Harkness collected the greatest collection of agricultural medals ever. He literally wrote the book on them. They are referenced by Harkness numbers. The collection is 100% raw and probably 75% cleaned and polished.

    So you think the British doctor collector and the guy who wrote the book on agricultural medals were not intelligent and I am arrogant. You're free to think how you do.

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hummingbird_coins said:

    @leothelyon said:
    They're not even grading 5FS Jeffs..........yet, anyway! Only 6FS coins! Try wrapping your heads around that, will ya!

    "5FS" isn't truly FS, though... I can easily wrap my head around it.

    It just shows how much they know about Jefferson nickels. There's a date range I believe that starts at 1990 where they're all commonly 6 step coins so it's a waste of time and ink to add 6FS to the label. Keep it simple with an FS designation and let collectors decide how many steps they want.....if they have a lifetime to spend finding them all. lol Locat[ng 6 step examples for every date in the series will never happen! lol It's just a matter of time before they figure out why the coin submissions aren't coming in for Jefferson nickels. Having coins graded by such inexperienced people IMO is a waste of money and a bunch of tomfoolery to take people's money!!

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @leothelyon said:

    @hummingbird_coins said:

    @leothelyon said:
    They're not even grading 5FS Jeffs..........yet, anyway! Only 6FS coins! Try wrapping your heads around that, will ya!

    "5FS" isn't truly FS, though... I can easily wrap my head around it.

    It just shows how much they know about Jefferson nickels. There's a date range I believe that starts at 1990 where they're all commonly 6 step coins so it's a waste of time and ink to add 6FS to the label. Keep it simple with an FS designation and let collectors decide how many steps they want.....if they have a lifetime to spend finding them all. lol Locat[ng 6 step examples for every date in the series will never happen! lol It's just a matter of time before they figure out why the coin submissions aren't coming in for Jefferson nickels. Having coins graded by such inexperienced people IMO is a waste of money and a bunch of tomfoolery to take people's money!!

    Leo.

    You’re making assumptions about what they don’t know. And in the process, you’re underestimating and insulting them, too.

    The major grading companies also have “RD” color designations available for many copper coins that will never be seen in “RD” state of preservation. It doesn’t mean they’re unaware of that.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • CregCreg Posts: 414 ✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    You’re making assumptions about what they don’t know. And in the process, you’re underestimating and insulting them, too.

    It hurt me a bit, (I think that I may be one of the less intelligent, but if I were intelligent It would have hurt too).

  • NewEnglandRaritiesNewEnglandRarities Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2024 11:40AM

    Interesting, so maybe to redirect this thread away from some individual arguments, one of the "negatives" about the "CAC effect" is the A/B/C, or more so, A/B coins get CAC, C coins dont. I really believe, while frankly poorly explained in the beginning, this has become a hot button topic. For example a member of our group has made many posts about this exact thing, and been given much ridicule (some deserved, but sometimes not).

    I personally believe that knowledge of a series is the true way to find and enjoy collecting. Remember again it's one persons opinion. We have all seen gradeflation/upping grades. There is a very obvious reason for that, which is a commercial reason, not a collecting reason. My thought is, while the grade is important for many coins (not as much in my area of expertise) at the end of the day, I think everyone here likes nice attractive coins (A/B/C or MS63/64/65).

    The hobby will always have a strong opinion on keeping market strong, my opinion is that it is the collector who at the end of the day needs to feel that they are pursuing the best they can for their budget. A/B/C or any individual grade is subjective. Enjoyment of the hobby is not. These factors are a reality in the hobby, but sometimes it might be a good idea to remember why we started in this wonderful area of collecting to begin with, and remember what is actually important, and that is the friendships, the enjoyment, and the pursuit of completing a set. That is what is most enjoyable. I have seen "A" coins that have been through the quote unquote ringer i.e. not original, and I have seen so called C coins that are perfectly fine and attractive.

    Can anyone honestly tell me that they enjoy the nitpicking or ripping apart of the commercial aspect? For example, would anyone enjoy talking about a CAC approved coin but arguing if it an A or a B coin. I truly believe that wording of it was not helpful in general for the hobby, and as such, I personally am happy that they stopped accepting coins in my area of expertise, colonial and Americana, which I will be the first to admit is a whole different area of thought and collecting, however it is right at the top of the food chain with knowledge and approach. Again, just one persons opinion and my two cents!

    New England Rarities...Dealer In Colonial Coinage and Americana
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    You say there is no correlation between intelligence and (collecting) choice . I think there is.

    I know you do. But that is simply arrogance. [Unless you are a raw, low ball collector admiring your superiors. ]

    The most amazing collection I've seen in recent years was 100% raw collection of British copper covering 400 years. Belonged to a doctor. Had to be worth several million.

    Andy Harkness collected the greatest collection of agricultural medals ever. He literally wrote the book on them. They are referenced by Harkness numbers. The collection is 100% raw and probably 75% cleaned and polished.

    So you think the British doctor collector and the guy who wrote the book on agricultural medals were not intelligent and I am arrogant. You're free to think how you do.

    NO. I think they were both very intelligent. Yet they collected the OPPOSITE of what you claimed smart people did.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2024 11:59AM

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @MFeld said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    A
    B
    C

    Simple enough. Submit now !
    Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.

    Does this seem radical ? Looks like where we are, to me. Post an A coin. Numbers don’t matter. But, it has to be in a PCGS holder. After all, here we are.

    I don’t believe you when you say “Looks like where we are to me”. Because, you no doubt know plenty of collectors and dealers who aren’t of the belief that “Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.”

    Okay Mark I do know more collectors and dealers who collect and deal lower grade, ungraded, and lesser valued coins than the more astute and educated that we have here do.

    This means someone who collects a raw VG to VF set of Walkers is either uneducated, unintelligent, or both.

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2024 11:56AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    You say there is no correlation between intelligence and (collecting) choice . I think there is.

    I know you do. But that is simply arrogance. [Unless you are a raw, low ball collector admiring your superiors. ]

    The most amazing collection I've seen in recent years was 100% raw collection of British copper covering 400 years. Belonged to a doctor. Had to be worth several million.

    Andy Harkness collected the greatest collection of agricultural medals ever. He literally wrote the book on them. They are referenced by Harkness numbers. The collection is 100% raw and probably 75% cleaned and polished.

    So you think the British doctor collector and the guy who wrote the book on agricultural medals were not intelligent and I am arrogant. You're free to think how you do.

    NO. I think they were both very intelligent. Yet they collected the OPPOSITE of what you claimed smart people did.

    What coins do you collect jmlanzaf? Just to file the info away.

    God bless all who believe in him. Do unto others what you expect to be done to you. Dubbed a "Committee Secret Agent" by @mr1931S on 7/23/24. Founding member of CU Anti-Troll League since 9/24/24.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2024 12:01PM

    @CRHer700 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    You say there is no correlation between intelligence and (collecting) choice . I think there is.

    I know you do. But that is simply arrogance. [Unless you are a raw, low ball collector admiring your superiors. ]

    The most amazing collection I've seen in recent years was 100% raw collection of British copper covering 400 years. Belonged to a doctor. Had to be worth several million.

    Andy Harkness collected the greatest collection of agricultural medals ever. He literally wrote the book on them. They are referenced by Harkness numbers. The collection is 100% raw and probably 75% cleaned and polished.

    So you think the British doctor collector and the guy who wrote the book on agricultural medals were not intelligent and I am arrogant. You're free to think how you do.

    NO. I think they were both very intelligent. Yet they collected the OPPOSITE of what you claimed smart people did.

    What coins do you collect jmlanzaf? Just to file the info away.

    Lol. Mostly raw, foreign coins and circ medieval. Since I have a PhD, I'm not uneducated, just a moron.

    I just hate elitism among collectors. It helped kill philatelics.

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CRHer700 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    You say there is no correlation between intelligence and (collecting) choice . I think there is.

    I know you do. But that is simply arrogance. [Unless you are a raw, low ball collector admiring your superiors. ]

    The most amazing collection I've seen in recent years was 100% raw collection of British copper covering 400 years. Belonged to a doctor. Had to be worth several million.

    Andy Harkness collected the greatest collection of agricultural medals ever. He literally wrote the book on them. They are referenced by Harkness numbers. The collection is 100% raw and probably 75% cleaned and polished.

    So you think the British doctor collector and the guy who wrote the book on agricultural medals were not intelligent and I am arrogant. You're free to think how you do.

    NO. I think they were both very intelligent. Yet they collected the OPPOSITE of what you claimed smart people did.

    What coins do you collect jmlanzaf? Just to file the info away.

    Lol. Mostly raw, foreign coins and circ medieval. Since I have a PhD, I'm not uneducated, just a moron.

    I just hate elitism among collectors. It helped kill philatelics.

    I am certainly not elite, in anyone's eyes, not did I mean to sound like it.

    God bless all who believe in him. Do unto others what you expect to be done to you. Dubbed a "Committee Secret Agent" by @mr1931S on 7/23/24. Founding member of CU Anti-Troll League since 9/24/24.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CRHer700 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CRHer700 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    You say there is no correlation between intelligence and (collecting) choice . I think there is.

    I know you do. But that is simply arrogance. [Unless you are a raw, low ball collector admiring your superiors. ]

    The most amazing collection I've seen in recent years was 100% raw collection of British copper covering 400 years. Belonged to a doctor. Had to be worth several million.

    Andy Harkness collected the greatest collection of agricultural medals ever. He literally wrote the book on them. They are referenced by Harkness numbers. The collection is 100% raw and probably 75% cleaned and polished.

    So you think the British doctor collector and the guy who wrote the book on agricultural medals were not intelligent and I am arrogant. You're free to think how you do.

    NO. I think they were both very intelligent. Yet they collected the OPPOSITE of what you claimed smart people did.

    What coins do you collect jmlanzaf? Just to file the info away.

    Lol. Mostly raw, foreign coins and circ medieval. Since I have a PhD, I'm not uneducated, just a moron.

    I just hate elitism among collectors. It helped kill philatelics.

    I am certainly not elite, in anyone's eyes, not did I mean to sound like it.

    I wasn't accusing YOU. But the implication of TwoSides characterization is that most of us are uneducated or unintelligent. I don't know where he would put CRH. You aren't buying high grade slabs when you're hunting

  • 124Spider124Spider Posts: 934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    A
    B
    C

    Simple enough. Submit now !
    Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.

    Does this seem radical ? Looks like where we are, to me. Post an A coin. Numbers don’t matter. But, it has to be in a PCGS holder. After all, here we are.

    Some segment of the market wants this; CAC and CACG have an almost cultlike following.

    To each his/her/their own. I am happy to buy a CAC/CACG coin, but I'm not going to pay a huge premium for it; if others are, so be it.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grading should be an evolutionary process to reflect what is learned over time. More grades do not reflect greed. More grades reflect that not all coins within a series or even within a established and recognized grade are just simply not created equal. Coins simply have not survived in the same environment- some have been cleaned, dipped or enhanced which is more often than not where the greed becomes a negative factor. Grading simply cannot be reduced to something as simplistic as an A or B coin. Suggesting so-called c coins are not worth collecting really fails to consider the rarity of a very small perhaps close to unique surviving population.

    I suspect the initial post was made in an effort to create some humor… but I think we are past that in terms of where we have been and how the future of grading can be shaped.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s okay… I would not be caught dead dressed in that garb

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CRHer700 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    You say there is no correlation between intelligence and (collecting) choice . I think there is.

    I know you do. But that is simply arrogance. [Unless you are a raw, low ball collector admiring your superiors. ]

    The most amazing collection I've seen in recent years was 100% raw collection of British copper covering 400 years. Belonged to a doctor. Had to be worth several million.

    Andy Harkness collected the greatest collection of agricultural medals ever. He literally wrote the book on them. They are referenced by Harkness numbers. The collection is 100% raw and probably 75% cleaned and polished.

    So you think the British doctor collector and the guy who wrote the book on agricultural medals were not intelligent and I am arrogant. You're free to think how you do.

    NO. I think they were both very intelligent. Yet they collected the OPPOSITE of what you claimed smart people did.

    What coins do you collect jmlanzaf? Just to file the info away.

    Lol. Mostly raw, foreign coins and circ medieval. Since I have a PhD, I'm not uneducated, just a moron.

    I just hate elitism among collectors. It helped kill philatelics.

    Exactly! Lol

    But even MS seated dime collectors shouldn't be looking at Xf dime collectors that way.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    A
    B
    C

    Simple enough. Submit now !
    Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.

    Does this seem radical ? Looks like where we are, to me. Post an A coin. Numbers don’t matter. But, it has to be in a PCGS holder. After all, here we are.

    Jmlanzaff, it doesn't take a PhD to answer "Yes", or "No".
    It was a simple question. You trying to get more posts than RickO ?

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2024 1:59PM

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    A
    B
    C

    Simple enough. Submit now !
    Anything less than A or B isn’t worth collecting.

    Does this seem radical ? Looks like where we are, to me. Post an A coin. Numbers don’t matter. But, it has to be in a PCGS holder. After all, here we are.

    Jmlanzaff, it doesn't take a PhD to answer "Yes", or "No".
    It was a simple question. You trying to get more posts than RickO ?

    I believe that you are probably the closest to ricko on these boards.

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