He had 4256 hits. Played EVERY DAY,and was on the winning side of more games than any player in history. When you're around the game for 35 years at it's highest level, you appreciate non-statistical greatness more. I wouldn't argue that Pete wasn't Willie Mays, but I also wouldn't argue if someone said "Greatest Living Player", either. If someone said Derek Jeter was the greatest living player--no argument here, either. These guys impact the guys around them in a way that can't be measured by flipping it over and reading stats--although Pete has...pretty good numbers, too.
"You've gotta be a man to play this game...but you'd better have a lot of little boy in you, too"--Roy Campanella
King Kong vs. Godzilla is spectacular!
Greatest living player, in my opinion, is Rickey Henderson. But the question was posed "Is Pete Rose one of the greatest players, ever?" He's proven to be a guy of questionable character--but on the field, no doubt. I actually have no issues with Pete in the Hall...or Bonds, etc.
I think Thurman Munson IS a Hall of Famer. So is Steve Garvey. I know who was the real deal and most fans do, too. If you grew up in the 70's and rooted for anyone but the Dodgers, Garvey scared the heck out of you, Lol.
Plus, think of the Father-Son conversations while looking at Rose's plaque. Epic opportunities.
"You've gotta be a man to play this game...but you'd better have a lot of little boy in you, too"--Roy Campanella
I think Dave Parker and Will Clark are hall of famers.
Both were among the most feared hitters in the game during their prime years. Clark never really declined and retired at age 36 so gets penalized for not playing out his old man years.
Religion, Politics and now add Pete Pose to the list of what is better left unsaid. So I can still write that I would rather see Rocky Colavito and Frank Howard in the HOF and those prospects-as deserving as they may be- are less likely than someone who simply fails the threshold of what really matters.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Of course I'm not going to get into a political discussion here. Suffice to say the fact is that Garvey is running for a US Senate seat in California. Garvey is an underdog.
That being said, and it's all I'm going to say, if Garvey were to win, I have little doubt that event would be a spark to propel him into the MLB Hall of Fame.
I would have Parker on top. Then Munson. Then Mattingly. Right there with Mattingly I have Dick Allen and Dale Murphy and Lou Whitaker. Way back Jim McCormick. I read a cool article about that guy and then got hooked learning everything I could once upon a time. Then I had to hunt down his N172; took me a couple trips to the National to find one I liked.
@JoeBanzai said:
Munson, Garvey, Parker, Clark, Colovito and Howard are ALL better choices than some of the guys who have recently gotten in.
Not to mention Mattingly and Hernandez.
Clark, Hernadez and especially Mattingly just didnt do enough as a first baseman, Clark was a very good player but position has to be considered.
Parker is definitely an interesting borderline one that probably would be in if he didnt have the injuries in two of his prime years. I dont have any objection either way with Parker, but if Mattingly, Clark and Hernadez are getting in there is a ton of others that should as well
@Basebal21 said:
Clark, Hernadez and especially Mattingly just didnt do enough as a first baseman, Clark was a very good player but position has to be considered.
Parker is definitely an interesting borderline one that probably would be in if he didnt have the injuries in two of his prime years. I dont have any objection either way with Parker, but if Mattingly, Clark and Hernadez are getting in there is a ton of others that should as well
If Hernandez goes in, John Olerud needs to go in with him.
@JoeBanzai said:
Munson, Garvey, Parker, Clark, Colovito and Howard are ALL better choices than some of the guys who have recently gotten in.
Not to mention Mattingly and Hernandez.
Clark, Hernadez and especially Mattingly just didnt do enough as a first baseman, Clark was a very good player but position has to be considered.
Parker is definitely an interesting borderline one that probably would be in if he didnt have the injuries in two of his prime years. I dont have any objection either way with Parker, but if Mattingly, Clark and Hernadez are getting in there is a ton of others that should as well
Clark is a step above both Hernandez and Mattingly.
OPS+
Clark 137
Hernandez 128
Mattingly 127
And also first basemen are discredited way too much just for being a first basemen. Have you seen especially in today’s game how many times the shortstop and third basemen bounce the throw to first? A good first basemen saves a lot of outs and runs. Very important position that a lot of players couldn’t play well.
@JoeBanzai said:
Munson, Garvey, Parker, Clark, Colovito and Howard are ALL better choices than some of the guys who have recently gotten in.
Not to mention Mattingly and Hernandez.
Clark, Hernadez and especially Mattingly just didnt do enough as a first baseman, Clark was a very good player but position has to be considered.
Parker is definitely an interesting borderline one that probably would be in if he didnt have the injuries in two of his prime years. I dont have any objection either way with Parker, but if Mattingly, Clark and Hernadez are getting in there is a ton of others that should as well
Clark is a step above both Hernandez and Mattingly.
OPS+
Clark 137
Hernandez 128
Mattingly 127
And also first basemen are discredited way too much just for being a first basemen. Have you seen especially in today’s game how many times the shortstop and third basemen bounce the throw to first? A good first basemen saves a lot of outs and runs. Very important position that a lot of players couldn’t play well.
I like Clarke as a player even back to his college days as teammates with Palmeiro at Mississippi State. I completely agree that first base gets unfairly labled as the easiest position when thats really 2nd base or LF. Id argue CF for fast guys too. I dont discredit 1st basemen defensively given they can make or break an infield and are just 3rd basemen that dont have to through to first.
It is an expected offensive position though. Clarke was very good, maybe very very good he just falls short for as a first baseman. Between the three without question Clarke is the most deserving. I can see the argument for Clarke. I dont see the Hernandez argument at all though and Mattingly would be an easy no for me as well
@JoeBanzai said:
Munson, Garvey, Parker, Clark, Colovito and Howard are ALL better choices than some of the guys who have recently gotten in.
Not to mention Mattingly and Hernandez.
Clark, Hernadez and especially Mattingly just didnt do enough as a first baseman, Clark was a very good player but position has to be considered.
Parker is definitely an interesting borderline one that probably would be in if he didnt have the injuries in two of his prime years. I dont have any objection either way with Parker, but if Mattingly, Clark and Hernadez are getting in there is a ton of others that should as well
Clark is a step above both Hernandez and Mattingly.
OPS+
Clark 137
Hernandez 128
Mattingly 127
And also first basemen are discredited way too much just for being a first basemen. Have you seen especially in today’s game how many times the shortstop and third basemen bounce the throw to first? A good first basemen saves a lot of outs and runs. Very important position that a lot of players couldn’t play well.
Frank Howard's OPS+ was 142. No love for the "Capital Punisher"?
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Bauer isn't in the big leagues for the simple fact he isn't a big-league pitcher anymore. Even his Cy Young win* was a fluke - 11 games, 73 innings. 6.39 ERA in 2019? Come on - he had a good streak in a handful of games.
Of course he's done well in Mexico league play, this is the same league that Robinson freakin' Cano has a 1.200 OPS. There isn't serious competition there.
Throw in the fact that he's a known clubhouse cancer and actively trolled people on social media? He will never pitch big league ball again.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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@Mistlin said:
Bauer isn't in the big leagues for the simple fact he isn't a big-league pitcher anymore. Even his Cy Young win* was a fluke - 11 games, 73 innings. 6.39 ERA in 2019? Come on - he had a good streak in a handful of games.
Of course he's done well in Mexico league play, this is the same league that Robinson freakin' Cano has a 1.200 OPS. There isn't serious competition there.
Throw in the fact that he's a known clubhouse cancer and actively trolled people on social media? He will never pitch big league ball again.
But what are my lucky numbers. Fortune Cookies should have those!
@Mistlin said:
Bauer isn't in the big leagues for the simple fact he isn't a big-league pitcher anymore. Even his Cy Young win* was a fluke - 11 games, 73 innings. 6.39 ERA in 2019? Come on - he had a good streak in a handful of games.
Of course he's done well in Mexico league play, this is the same league that Robinson freakin' Cano has a 1.200 OPS. There isn't serious competition there.
Throw in the fact that he's a known clubhouse cancer and actively trolled people on social media? He will never pitch big league ball again.
Saying Bauer isnt a big league caliber pitcher is just laughable. Theres not a single team in the league that has 3 better starters than him. Naier pitched a 213 innings in 2019 with a 4.48 era. His start in Cincy wasnt great. Followed up the next year with a 1.79 era in 2020 and had a 2.59 era in 107.2 innings with the Dodgers before proven the false accusations ruined his career
The majority of players disagree with the rest of what you posted about being a cancer as well but okay and your facts werent right on his stats either
Not sure what any of this has to do with a HOF greatest of all time thread
If you must know. I think Mattingly is underrated because his career was relatively shorter. I feel like he was a more dangerous hitter than Hernandez and Clark.
Matting and Clarke have basically identical numbers of at bats since Clarke walked at almost twice the rate. Clarke was the better player. An extra year of playing which would have given them the same career length would not have closed the gap. Clarke was the better player
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
@Brick said:
As to the greatest MLB players Pete Rose is definitely in the top 1%.
As to those with personal integrity and decency Pete Rose is in the bottom 1%.
@Darin said:
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
@Darin said:
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
Autocorrect, typos or maybe just not being great spelling names , maybe someone has a close friend that spells it that way so it happens. It was blatantly obvious who was being talked about
Jokes are fine about it especially when substantive info comes with it as well. But now instead of a statement that William Nuschler Clark born on March 16th 1984 in New Orleans, a product of Jesuit HS and Mississippi State drafted 2nd overall vs Donald Arthur Mattingly born on September 8th 1982 a product of Reitz Memorial HS drafted in the 19th round of the Yankees that Donald Arthur Matting was a more dangerous hitter than William Nuschler Clark the focus is on me adding an E at the end of a name
How is that productive to good sports conversations?
Pete Rose has about as much chance of getting into the MLB hall of fame, as this building does of getting into the architectural hall of fame.
Maybe not in his lifetime as he is 80 or so, but with MLB wrapping its fat hands around the professional gambling providers. the sport has greatly diminished the pious exceptionalism that they once enjoyed.
@Darin said:
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
@Darin said:
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
Autocorrect, typos or maybe just not being great spelling names , maybe someone has a close friend that spells it that way so it happens. It was blatantly obvious who was being talked about
Jokes are fine about it especially when substantive info comes with it as well. But now instead of a statement that William Nuschler Clark born on March 16th 1984 in New Orleans, a product of Jesuit HS and Mississippi State drafted 2nd overall vs Donald Arthur Mattingly born on September 8th 1982 a product of Reitz Memorial HS drafted in the 19th round of the Yankees that Donald Arthur Matting was a more dangerous hitter than William Nuschler Clark the focus is on me adding an E at the end of a name
How is that productive to good sports conversations?
I really wanted to be sure. So I just disagree with you on Mattingly vs Clark (Will). Which is likely a result of what I remember of Mattingly during his peak years early in his career.
The hall of fame is so watered down at this point it's not even worth debating. The number of recent inductees who should not have even been allowed a ticket, let alone induction, is hilarious. When you have to contort yourself into knots to defend their induction then you have already lost (I am looking at you Scott Rolen).
The fact that the most dominant players of the last 30 years aren't inducted is even more proof of the idiocy surrounding MLB's Hall of 'Fame'.
Don Mattingly is not a HoFer. Will Clark is not a HoFer. But go off, kids.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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@Darin said:
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
@Darin said:
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
Autocorrect, typos or maybe just not being great spelling names , maybe someone has a close friend that spells it that way so it happens. It was blatantly obvious who was being talked about
Jokes are fine about it especially when substantive info comes with it as well. But now instead of a statement that William Nuschler Clark born on March 16th 1984 in New Orleans, a product of Jesuit HS and Mississippi State drafted 2nd overall vs Donald Arthur Mattingly born on September 8th 1982 a product of Reitz Memorial HS drafted in the 19th round of the Yankees that Donald Arthur Matting was a more dangerous hitter than William Nuschler Clark the focus is on me adding an E at the end of a name
How is that productive to good sports conversations?
@Darin said:
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
@Darin said:
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
Autocorrect, typos or maybe just not being great spelling names , maybe someone has a close friend that spells it that way so it happens. It was blatantly obvious who was being talked about
Jokes are fine about it especially when substantive info comes with it as well. But now instead of a statement that William Nuschler Clark born on March 16th 1984 in New Orleans, a product of Jesuit HS and Mississippi State drafted 2nd overall vs Donald Arthur Mattingly born on September 8th 1982 a product of Reitz Memorial HS drafted in the 19th round of the Yankees that Donald Arthur Matting was a more dangerous hitter than William Nuschler Clark the focus is on me adding an E at the end of a name
How is that productive to good sports conversations?
It’s Mattingly not Matting!
Nice contribution just ignoring everything in my post you quoted and directing the conversation again off of actual sports
Maybe we can just have a Spelling Bee instead of discussing sports so theres not a need to resort to grammar and spelling as a response when proven wrong?
@Darin said:
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
@Darin said:
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
Autocorrect, typos or maybe just not being great spelling names , maybe someone has a close friend that spells it that way so it happens. It was blatantly obvious who was being talked about
Jokes are fine about it especially when substantive info comes with it as well. But now instead of a statement that William Nuschler Clark born on March 16th 1984 in New Orleans, a product of Jesuit HS and Mississippi State drafted 2nd overall vs Donald Arthur Mattingly born on September 8th 1982 a product of Reitz Memorial HS drafted in the 19th round of the Yankees that Donald Arthur Matting was a more dangerous hitter than William Nuschler Clark the focus is on me adding an E at the end of a name
How is that productive to good sports conversations?
It’s Mattingly not Matting!
Nice contribution just ignoring everything in my post you quoted and directing the conversation again off of actual sports
Maybe we can just have a Spelling Bee instead of discussing sports so theres not a need to resort to grammar and spelling as a response when proven wrong?
I really regret clarifying. However... You have asserted the outcome - you think Will Clark was better than Don Mattingly. There's not much more to discuss. I respect your opinion on the matter, but I disagree.
Clark's 89 season was spectacular, and he deserved the MVP that season.
Mattingly was a better fielder statistically, overall. Clark may have been a better fielding first-baseman early in his career.
Based on their primes; I give Mattingly the edge.
Based on overall career: Neither is that impressive, but I would give Clark the edge here. Neither aged well.
Now that I know Clark's middle name I can take something positive away from this thread.
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He had 4256 hits. Played EVERY DAY,and was on the winning side of more games than any player in history. When you're around the game for 35 years at it's highest level, you appreciate non-statistical greatness more. I wouldn't argue that Pete wasn't Willie Mays, but I also wouldn't argue if someone said "Greatest Living Player", either. If someone said Derek Jeter was the greatest living player--no argument here, either. These guys impact the guys around them in a way that can't be measured by flipping it over and reading stats--although Pete has...pretty good numbers, too.
"You've gotta be a man to play this game...but you'd better have a lot of little boy in you, too"--Roy Campanella
Everything else aside, the guy bet on baseball games he was involved in, no HOF EVER.
Pete can still get into the Hall of Fame.
just pay admission like everyone else.
Pete Rose HOF topic is almost as good as King Kong vs Godzilla
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, the joy of not being in a thread.
I've heard strong opinions on this, but my experts are playing video games right now.
King Kong vs. Godzilla is spectacular!
Greatest living player, in my opinion, is Rickey Henderson. But the question was posed "Is Pete Rose one of the greatest players, ever?" He's proven to be a guy of questionable character--but on the field, no doubt. I actually have no issues with Pete in the Hall...or Bonds, etc.
I think Thurman Munson IS a Hall of Famer. So is Steve Garvey. I know who was the real deal and most fans do, too. If you grew up in the 70's and rooted for anyone but the Dodgers, Garvey scared the heck out of you, Lol.
Plus, think of the Father-Son conversations while looking at Rose's plaque. Epic opportunities.
"You've gotta be a man to play this game...but you'd better have a lot of little boy in you, too"--Roy Campanella
I think Dave Parker and Will Clark are hall of famers.
Both were among the most feared hitters in the game during their prime years. Clark never really declined and retired at age 36 so gets penalized for not playing out his old man years.
Religion, Politics and now add Pete Pose to the list of what is better left unsaid. So I can still write that I would rather see Rocky Colavito and Frank Howard in the HOF and those prospects-as deserving as they may be- are less likely than someone who simply fails the threshold of what really matters.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Munson, Garvey, Parker, Clark, Colovito and Howard are ALL better choices than some of the guys who have recently gotten in.
Not to mention Mattingly and Hernandez.
Of course I'm not going to get into a political discussion here. Suffice to say the fact is that Garvey is running for a US Senate seat in California. Garvey is an underdog.
That being said, and it's all I'm going to say, if Garvey were to win, I have little doubt that event would be a spark to propel him into the MLB Hall of Fame.
I don’t think Garvey is a hall of famer. I’m glad to see he’s back in politics. I thought he was done there.
I agree with ya that Garvey falls a bit short.
However if he wins this election, I think there's no way the powers that be could resist not voting him in.
I would have Parker on top. Then Munson. Then Mattingly. Right there with Mattingly I have Dick Allen and Dale Murphy and Lou Whitaker. Way back Jim McCormick. I read a cool article about that guy and then got hooked learning everything I could once upon a time. Then I had to hunt down his N172; took me a couple trips to the National to find one I liked.
Clark, Hernadez and especially Mattingly just didnt do enough as a first baseman, Clark was a very good player but position has to be considered.
Parker is definitely an interesting borderline one that probably would be in if he didnt have the injuries in two of his prime years. I dont have any objection either way with Parker, but if Mattingly, Clark and Hernadez are getting in there is a ton of others that should as well
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I'll give you Thurman Munson but only if Bill Freehan goes in first.
If Hernandez goes in, John Olerud needs to go in with him.
It would make me smile if Freehan got in the HOF; very underrated player.
Clark is a step above both Hernandez and Mattingly.
OPS+
Clark 137
Hernandez 128
Mattingly 127
And also first basemen are discredited way too much just for being a first basemen. Have you seen especially in today’s game how many times the shortstop and third basemen bounce the throw to first? A good first basemen saves a lot of outs and runs. Very important position that a lot of players couldn’t play well.
I like Clarke as a player even back to his college days as teammates with Palmeiro at Mississippi State. I completely agree that first base gets unfairly labled as the easiest position when thats really 2nd base or LF. Id argue CF for fast guys too. I dont discredit 1st basemen defensively given they can make or break an infield and are just 3rd basemen that dont have to through to first.
It is an expected offensive position though. Clarke was very good, maybe very very good he just falls short for as a first baseman. Between the three without question Clarke is the most deserving. I can see the argument for Clarke. I dont see the Hernandez argument at all though and Mattingly would be an easy no for me as well
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Frank Howard's OPS+ was 142. No love for the "Capital Punisher"?
Bauer isn't in the big leagues for the simple fact he isn't a big-league pitcher anymore. Even his Cy Young win* was a fluke - 11 games, 73 innings. 6.39 ERA in 2019? Come on - he had a good streak in a handful of games.
Of course he's done well in Mexico league play, this is the same league that Robinson freakin' Cano has a 1.200 OPS. There isn't serious competition there.
Throw in the fact that he's a known clubhouse cancer and actively trolled people on social media? He will never pitch big league ball again.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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But what are my lucky numbers. Fortune Cookies should have those!
Saying Bauer isnt a big league caliber pitcher is just laughable. Theres not a single team in the league that has 3 better starters than him. Naier pitched a 213 innings in 2019 with a 4.48 era. His start in Cincy wasnt great. Followed up the next year with a 1.79 era in 2020 and had a 2.59 era in 107.2 innings with the Dodgers before proven the false accusations ruined his career
The majority of players disagree with the rest of what you posted about being a cancer as well but okay and your facts werent right on his stats either
Not sure what any of this has to do with a HOF greatest of all time thread
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If you must know. I think Mattingly is underrated because his career was relatively shorter. I feel like he was a more dangerous hitter than Hernandez and Clark.
Matting and Clarke have basically identical numbers of at bats since Clarke walked at almost twice the rate. Clarke was the better player. An extra year of playing which would have given them the same career length would not have closed the gap. Clarke was the better player
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I want to make sure I know who you’re referring to when you say Clarke.
He’s pretty persistent about adding that e on the end. 🤭
Forums would be so much better and more active with actual discussions instead of resorting to autocorrect or typos
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I seriously just wanted to be sure we’re both talking about Jack Clark.
I apologize but seriously anyone who is somewhat familiar with who Will Clark is should know how his name is spelled. I’m not a stickler on spelling but when it’s a person’s name and you misspelled it about 25 times in a row it’s pretty noticeable.
I sometimes mistake Pete Rose for Rosie, O'Donnell that is.
Maybe it's because Rosie was in that baseball team movie, and both probably weigh about the same.
Did you guys figure out if Rose is one of the greatest ever yet?
Can't believe this thread is still going lol
I only posted in this thread to increase my post count.
+1
I only posted to this thread to merely suggest that there is more to MLB history than the HOF.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
The typo defense as to the spelling of Clark is simply not viable in this instance.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
As to the greatest MLB players Pete Rose is definitely in the top 1%.
As to those with personal integrity and decency Pete Rose is in the bottom 1%.
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Pete Rose has about as much chance of getting into the MLB hall of fame, as this building does of getting into the architectural hall of fame.
Interesting dichotomy.
Autocorrect, typos or maybe just not being great spelling names , maybe someone has a close friend that spells it that way so it happens. It was blatantly obvious who was being talked about
Jokes are fine about it especially when substantive info comes with it as well. But now instead of a statement that William Nuschler Clark born on March 16th 1984 in New Orleans, a product of Jesuit HS and Mississippi State drafted 2nd overall vs Donald Arthur Mattingly born on September 8th 1982 a product of Reitz Memorial HS drafted in the 19th round of the Yankees that Donald Arthur Matting was a more dangerous hitter than William Nuschler Clark the focus is on me adding an E at the end of a name
How is that productive to good sports conversations?
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Maybe not in his lifetime as he is 80 or so, but with MLB wrapping its fat hands around the professional gambling providers. the sport has greatly diminished the pious exceptionalism that they once enjoyed.
I really wanted to be sure. So I just disagree with you on Mattingly vs Clark (Will). Which is likely a result of what I remember of Mattingly during his peak years early in his career.
The hall of fame is so watered down at this point it's not even worth debating. The number of recent inductees who should not have even been allowed a ticket, let alone induction, is hilarious. When you have to contort yourself into knots to defend their induction then you have already lost (I am looking at you Scott Rolen).
The fact that the most dominant players of the last 30 years aren't inducted is even more proof of the idiocy surrounding MLB's Hall of 'Fame'.
Don Mattingly is not a HoFer. Will Clark is not a HoFer. But go off, kids.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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It’s Mattingly not Matting!
Nice contribution just ignoring everything in my post you quoted and directing the conversation again off of actual sports
Maybe we can just have a Spelling Bee instead of discussing sports so theres not a need to resort to grammar and spelling as a response when proven wrong?
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You never know.
Pete must've cheated at cards!
"You've gotta be a man to play this game...but you'd better have a lot of little boy in you, too"--Roy Campanella
I really regret clarifying. However... You have asserted the outcome - you think Will Clark was better than Don Mattingly. There's not much more to discuss. I respect your opinion on the matter, but I disagree.
Clark's 89 season was spectacular, and he deserved the MVP that season.
Mattingly was a better fielder statistically, overall. Clark may have been a better fielding first-baseman early in his career.
Based on their primes; I give Mattingly the edge.
Based on overall career: Neither is that impressive, but I would give Clark the edge here. Neither aged well.
Now that I know Clark's middle name I can take something positive away from this thread.