Perhaps, in light of all the angst directed towards Pete Rose, there should be a reassessment of all current HOF members whose transgressions were overlooked during their relevant time. It is not a Hall filled with Choir Boys.
@Maywood said:
Perhaps, in light of all the angst directed towards Pete Rose, there should be a reassessment of all current HOF members whose transgressions were overlooked during their relevant time. It is not a Hall filled with Choir Boys.
The gap between "Choir Boys" and Pete Rose is light years across and there is room for virtually every baseball player - and 99% of humanity - to fit between them. To think that Rose is not in the HOF because he didn't meet the Choir Boy standard is to completely miss the point.
If you were to go back and reassess every player banned from the HOF and those who are in it, you would find that they banned the correct people and that those who brought the most disgrace to baseball are the only ones excluded. The only glaring mistake, in my opinion, is that Punkinhead has not been formally banned, although I join all baseball fans in giving the voters a standing O for leaving him out (so far).
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
@Maywood said:
Perhaps, in light of all the angst directed towards Pete Rose, there should be a reassessment of all current HOF members whose transgressions were overlooked during their relevant time. It is not a Hall filled with Choir Boys.
Youd have to clean out the HOF if that happened. Theres literally voters that voted for Ortiz who was suspended for a failed PED drug test during his career that wont vote for anyone else of that era. Mantle used PEDs and ended up on the DL because of them as another example. That doesnt even get into the whole moral aspects of things that are not speculation for countless players.
The big problem with the HOF is that people pick and choose which players to apply the standards too and give players they like a pass.
@Maywood said:
Perhaps, in light of all the angst directed towards Pete Rose, there should be a reassessment of all current HOF members whose transgressions were overlooked during their relevant time. It is not a Hall filled with Choir Boys.
The gap between "Choir Boys" and Pete Rose is light years across and there is room for virtually every baseball player - and 99% of humanity - to fit between them. To think that Rose is not in the HOF because he didn't meet the Choir Boy standard is to completely miss the point.
If you were to go back and reassess every player banned from the HOF and those who are in it, you would find that they banned the correct people and that those who brought the most disgrace to baseball are the only ones excluded. The only glaring mistake, in my opinion, is that Punkinhead has not been formally banned, although I join all baseball fans in giving the voters a standing O for leaving him out (so far).
Yet you have no problem with the inclusion of the litany of players who openly used amphetamines.
@Maywood said:
Perhaps, in light of all the angst directed towards Pete Rose, there should be a reassessment of all current HOF members whose transgressions were overlooked during their relevant time. It is not a Hall filled with Choir Boys.
Youd have to clean out the HOF if that happened. Theres literally voters that voted for Ortiz who was suspended for a failed PED drug test during his career that wont vote for anyone else of that era. Mantle used PEDs and ended up on the DL because of them as another example. That doesnt even get into the whole moral aspects of things that are not speculation for countless players.
The big problem with the HOF is that people pick and choose which players to apply the standards too and give players they like a pass.
You are right.
Bonds was a jerk - that much is not up to debate. As such, he's demonized for simply being the best player of all time who also happened to use PEDs. An incredible stat is if you took away Bonds' 7 seasons, he would still have 440 HRs and 359 stolen bases. Again, he was a jerk, so the "righteous" here are happy to see him excluded from the hall.
@Maywood said:
Perhaps, in light of all the angst directed towards Pete Rose, there should be a reassessment of all current HOF members whose transgressions were overlooked during their relevant time. It is not a Hall filled with Choir Boys.
Youd have to clean out the HOF if that happened. Theres literally voters that voted for Ortiz who was suspended for a failed PED drug test during his career that wont vote for anyone else of that era. Mantle used PEDs and ended up on the DL because of them as another example. That doesnt even get into the whole moral aspects of things that are not speculation for countless players.
The big problem with the HOF is that people pick and choose which players to apply the standards too and give players they like a pass.
You are right.
Bonds was a jerk - that much is not up to debate. As such, he's demonized for simply being the best player of all time who also happened to use PEDs. An incredible stat is if you took away Bonds' 7 seasons, he would still have 440 HRs and 359 stolen bases. Again, he was a jerk, so the "righteous" here are happy to see him excluded from the hall.
As I said the problem is that people pick and choose who to apply standards too you included. You cant have it both ways. You argue against Schilling for politics but then for other players. If Schilling can be excluded for politics than other players can be excluded for whatever reason as well
My stance is simple, they should all be in and judged off of their on field performance. They should either all be in or none should be in
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Perhaps, in light of all the angst directed towards Pete Rose, there should be a reassessment of all current HOF members whose transgressions were overlooked during their relevant time. It is not a Hall filled with Choir Boys.
The gap between "Choir Boys" and Pete Rose is light years across and there is room for virtually every baseball player - and 99% of humanity - to fit between them. To think that Rose is not in the HOF because he didn't meet the Choir Boy standard is to completely miss the point.
If you were to go back and reassess every player banned from the HOF and those who are in it, you would find that they banned the correct people and that those who brought the most disgrace to baseball are the only ones excluded. The only glaring mistake, in my opinion, is that Punkinhead has not been formally banned, although I join all baseball fans in giving the voters a standing O for leaving him out (so far).
Youd have to clean out the HOF if that happened. Theres literally voters that voted for Ortiz who was suspended for a failed PED drug test during his career that wont vote for anyone else of that era. Mantle used PEDs and ended up on the DL because of them as another example. That doesnt even get into the whole moral aspects of things that are not speculation for countless players.
The big problem with the HOF is that people pick and choose which players to apply the standards too and give players they like a pass.
Yet you have no problem with the inclusion of the litany of players who openly used amphetamines.
The hypocrisy of people here is off the charts.
ignore list: 1948_Swell_Robinson, Darin
You are right.
Bonds was a jerk - that much is not up to debate. As such, he's demonized for simply being the best player of all time who also happened to use PEDs. An incredible stat is if you took away Bonds' 7 seasons, he would still have 440 HRs and 359 stolen bases. Again, he was a jerk, so the "righteous" here are happy to see him excluded from the hall.
ignore list: 1948_Swell_Robinson, Darin
As I said the problem is that people pick and choose who to apply standards too you included. You cant have it both ways. You argue against Schilling for politics but then for other players. If Schilling can be excluded for politics than other players can be excluded for whatever reason as well
My stance is simple, they should all be in and judged off of their on field performance. They should either all be in or none should be in